The problem with nightblades...
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✭✭✭✭✭Also, their one archetypal ability doesn't work. Having a DoT tick on your enemy breaks cloak. ZOS says "do a /bug report in-game."
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Bladorthin✭✭✭I came back after a break and am so sad that little has been done to fix the class...4 -
shadowz081✭✭✭The only thing really broken about nightblade currently is the cloak in pvp. The rest are just the issue with stamina builds, at least for PvE, though that is beginning to change as DW NB are capable of doing 500-1k sustained dps now, which is a lot better than what the other classes can do with DW builds.1 -
Crowzer✭✭✭There are 3.5 classes in ESO.
ZoS is busy to make adventures zones that most of us doesn't care.3 -
Braddass✭✭✭shadowz081 wrote: »The only thing really broken about nightblade currently is the cloak in pvp. The rest are just the issue with stamina builds, at least for PvE, though that is beginning to change as DW NB are capable of doing 500-1k sustained dps now, which is a lot better than what the other classes can do with DW builds.
Cloak is not the only problem. Half the skills are virtually useless as implemented (looking at you Blur).7 -
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✭✭They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.Edited by TehMagnus on September 8, 2014 11:35AM11 -
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✭They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.
Amen.
NBs complaining about damage, are like DKs complaining they do not have enough CC and ability to survive.
Stamina build equals Greatsword and Ravager set as absolute minimum, if you want to go down that route.2 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.
Amen.
NBs complaining about damage, are like DKs complaining they do not have enough CC and ability to survive.
Stamina build equals Greatsword and Ravager set as absolute minimum, if you want to go down that route.
It's always a L2P issue anyways...
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.
The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?2 -
Azarul✭✭✭✭As a DK the only class I fear is the NB. Have no idea how you think your class is broke.2
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The_Drexill✭✭✭✭butterfly442 wrote: »everyone else does it better....
You're doing it wrong. Do some research and you'll get there.
Remember, play it your way doesn't mean play at the top your way.
Brandizzle - NB
Drexill The Unbreakable - Sorc
For teh covenant.4 -
shadowz081✭✭✭They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.
Just an FYI, the only way an NB can 1 shot you is if you are not wearing 2-3 pieces of impenetrable trait armor or if you have really low hp. Simply because lots of NB gankers solely rely on stealth crits, take away the crit and you take away a chunk of NB damage away. Also a ganking NB have very little survivability, lacking insta heals of templars and DKs and the escape of sorcs. So if an NB fails to kill you or get you down to critically low amount of hp within the first 3-4 seconds, the person being ganked usually win.
That being said, NB have great dps, but we trade that off for very little survivability...Unless you are playing board and sword NB as a tank, than you have gimped yourself in terms of DPS.
But I will freely admit, we have a pretty good resource management skill in terms of siphoning attacks, despite lowering damage by 22% that has great syenergy with AoE attacks.0 -
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
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✭✭butterfly442 wrote: »everyone else does it better....
I don't recall a DK, Sorc, or Templar killing me inside 2 seconds in PVP, before I could even use break free. Their burst DPS is insane in PVP.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job4 -
Kego✭✭✭✭The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
With bows it really feels like one-hit for Vampires.
1.500 Lethal Arrow
600 Camouflaged Procc
600 Heavy Attack
400 Venom Arrow
= 3.100 DMG
All those will hit you at once, even though it is a 3 Hit combination with a Procc.
That's right. NB have as good as no real survival options with their Gank Speccs around Bows and DW Ambush.DKs and the escape of sorcs. So if an NB fails to kill you or get you down to critically low amount of hp within the first 3-4 seconds, the person being ganked usually win.
If you want to have Survival as NB, you have to go the Path of a Bloodpriest. With no BurstDMG at all, but high Survivability.Edited by Kego on September 8, 2014 2:29PM0 -
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You can break out of the stealth attack stun unless you were on a horse? Unless something have changed.
The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
NB and another class, either sorc or DK dps are about the same as the group I ran with managed to hit 1.3k to 1.4k dps. I have personally never broken the 1.1k dps mark except once where all the stars aligned, where I was doing 1.5k dps because of buff stacking and my attacks were critting more than usual, mainly from veils and funnel health.
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.0 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭If you've only broken 1.1k dps once, and assuming that this figure includes all trial bosses (including daedra ones in AA), then maybe something is inefficient in your build or rotation.2
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✭We can't even crit the best. Those of you complaining a NB one shotted you with a bow, a sorcerer could have one shotted you better.
We can't move at insane speeds while sneaking, a crappy morph of an ability gives us a 25% bonus to sneak speed while slotted.
Our primary ability doesn't work most of the time.
Half our abilities are useless.
Yes you can make do and manage as a nightblade, but side by side the other classes, nightblade is terrible, except maybe in a few specific circumstances I can't think of atm.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭If you've only broken 1.1k dps once, and assuming that this figure includes all trial bosses (including daedra ones in AA), then maybe something is inefficient in your build or rotation.
For someone that has not done PvE in a while what is the current rotation for single targets? Is it still Resto staff, heavy crit, weave light and funnel health, impale at low health, spell symmetry for magicka and drop veil of blades when it is up?0 -
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.
All I know is what I see on my end. I don't need fancy calculations.
Getting killed before I can even react or press a key (That key being Reflective scales) by a NB archer is quite common and it is One shot since it's impossible to react. Doesn't matter if you get 100 attacks in, as long as they're done in 1 sec and you can't react to them it's just like a One Shot. Same goes with burst attacks.
I got all attributes to health and Epic VR5 Sweetrolls so no Health issues. NBs are just broken OP when attacking from stealth when you play them right. And they're a pain in the arse when they play sneaky on 1v1.Edited by TehMagnus on September 8, 2014 3:45PM2 -
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.
All I know is what I see on my end. I don't need fancy calculations.
Getting killed before I can even react or press a key (That key being Reflective scales) by a NB archer is quite common and it is One shot since it's impossible to react. Doesn't matter if you get 100 attacks in, as long as they're done in 1 sec and you can't react to them it's just like a One Shot. Same goes with burst attacks.
I got all attributes to health and Epic VR5 Sweetrolls so no Health issues. NBs are just broken OP when attacking from stealth when you play them right. And they're a pain in the arse when they play sneaky on 1v1.
If you have all attributes to health and 257 health from food there is no way they are killing you in one second unless you are a vamp/werewolf and they get a lucky crit. The calculations are pretty basic nothing fancy just pretty much elementary school math. Even with no sets, class, emp alliance or any other bonus you are already out of one shot territory with that much health even if you have no impenetrable and they crit every time.
Here is the real question when they don't burst you down and you do hit reflective scales and green dragon blood do they ever kill you still 1v1?0 -
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Pretty much the same as it was. And crippling grasp of course.If you've only broken 1.1k dps once, and assuming that this figure includes all trial bosses (including daedra ones in AA), then maybe something is inefficient in your build or rotation.
For someone that has not done PvE in a while what is the current rotation for single targets? Is it still Resto staff, heavy crit, weave light and funnel health, impale at low health, spell symmetry for magicka and drop veil of blades when it is up?0 -
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Pretty much the same as it was. And crippling grasp of course.If you've only broken 1.1k dps once, and assuming that this figure includes all trial bosses (including daedra ones in AA), then maybe something is inefficient in your build or rotation.
For someone that has not done PvE in a while what is the current rotation for single targets? Is it still Resto staff, heavy crit, weave light and funnel health, impale at low health, spell symmetry for magicka and drop veil of blades when it is up?
Hmm interesting. I have heard that cripple actually hurt some people's DPS because it messed up the rotation but it probably helps with ultimate. I always used it myself. I have not done PvE since 1.3 so I'm sure the new softcaps, sets etc have helped.
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.
All I know is what I see on my end. I don't need fancy calculations.
Getting killed before I can even react or press a key (That key being Reflective scales) by a NB archer is quite common and it is One shot since it's impossible to react. Doesn't matter if you get 100 attacks in, as long as they're done in 1 sec and you can't react to them it's just like a One Shot. Same goes with burst attacks.
I got all attributes to health and Epic VR5 Sweetrolls so no Health issues. NBs are just broken OP when attacking from stealth when you play them right. And they're a pain in the arse when they play sneaky on 1v1.
If you have all attributes to health and 257 health from food there is no way they are killing you in one second unless you are a vamp/werewolf and they get a lucky crit. The calculations are pretty basic nothing fancy just pretty much elementary school math. Even with no sets, class, emp alliance or any other bonus you are already out of one shot territory with that much health even if you have no impenetrable and they crit every time.
Here is the real question when they don't burst you down and you do hit reflective scales and green dragon blood do they ever kill you still 1v1?
No because archers are cr**, no matter what class plays them, don't even get me started, I hate them, especially the ones that will try to kill you, fail, hide, wait for 5 -10 min, then try again. I'm not saying either that all NBs always one shot me, but it's the only class with the capacity to do so.
Hybrid Nbs using DW that know what they are doing are quite good in 1v1 in my opinion, have had some interesting fights with some of them I didn't think I'd loose where I got my arse handed to me.
I've had the chance to fight vs very good NBs and Sorcs in PVP (Wabbajack EU) and the skill difference could be measured in light years when you compare them to most of the people playing this game and claiming their class suxs and needs buffs.Edited by TehMagnus on September 8, 2014 4:02PM2 -
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.
All I know is what I see on my end. I don't need fancy calculations.
Getting killed before I can even react or press a key (That key being Reflective scales) by a NB archer is quite common and it is One shot since it's impossible to react. Doesn't matter if you get 100 attacks in, as long as they're done in 1 sec and you can't react to them it's just like a One Shot. Same goes with burst attacks.
I got all attributes to health and Epic VR5 Sweetrolls so no Health issues. NBs are just broken OP when attacking from stealth when you play them right. And they're a pain in the arse when they play sneaky on 1v1.
If you have all attributes to health and 257 health from food there is no way they are killing you in one second unless you are a vamp/werewolf and they get a lucky crit. The calculations are pretty basic nothing fancy just pretty much elementary school math. Even with no sets, class, emp alliance or any other bonus you are already out of one shot territory with that much health even if you have no impenetrable and they crit every time.
Here is the real question when they don't burst you down and you do hit reflective scales and green dragon blood do they ever kill you still 1v1?
No because archers are cr**, no matter what class plays them, don't even get me started, I hate them, especially the ones that will try to kill you, fail, hide, wait for 5 -10 min, then try again. I'm not saying either that all NBs always one shot me, but it's the only class with the capacity to do so.
Hybrid Nbs using DW that know what they are doing are quite good in 1v1 in my opinion, have had some interesting fights with some of them I didn't think I'd loose where I got my arse handed to me.
I've had the chance to fight vs very good NBs and Sorcs in PVP (Wabbajack EU) and the skill difference could be measured in light years when you compare them to most of the people playing this game and claiming their class suxs and needs buffs.
Sorcerers can get higher crit damage than NBs, they can screw you up just as bad as any NB with a bow.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
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The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
Nope, knocked down to the floor with arrow plus poison arrow plus a couple of hits and you're done without even being able to react. Doesn't matter if it's 3 actual hits. As long as you're unable to even react I consider it a One Shot. There's also the Knock down + ult + impale =/impale combo that works very well.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
It has been this way for months, more or less since the last DK nerfs (especially the stacking banner one). Perhaps you just don't know how to play an effective trials NB? Only thing that can sometimes do more damage than a good NB is the crushing shock build for DKs that only works greatly on adds where Evil Hunter works. For everything else, a good NB will beat a good DK dps wise.
How exactly is 3 actual hits a one shot? Take your scenario with oc stamina and weapon damage and do the calculations. Even that wouldn't one shot your without follow up attacks even if all three crit and we call all three a "one shot" unless you have very low health. Also you can react it takes like a second to break stun and hold block.
High end averages 1700 Lethal Arrow if it crits (extremely rare and way on the high side), 500 light attack and 500 poison arrow. That is 2800 health with everything critting, everything hitting at the highest amount, basically no armor mitigation and nothing being dodged. In reality you are talking about someone with no attributes in health, no health equipment, and no food to one shot them without something extra hitting. Even with those extremely high averages and everything critting you don't find many people in PvP with less than 2800 health.
Add in camouflaged hunter + the proc you might get it though.
As far as PvE maybe NB's have passed up sorc and DK for stuff that isn't group pulls I quit doing PvE a couple months ago so I really should not argue it.
All I know is what I see on my end. I don't need fancy calculations.
Getting killed before I can even react or press a key (That key being Reflective scales) by a NB archer is quite common and it is One shot since it's impossible to react. Doesn't matter if you get 100 attacks in, as long as they're done in 1 sec and you can't react to them it's just like a One Shot. Same goes with burst attacks.
I got all attributes to health and Epic VR5 Sweetrolls so no Health issues. NBs are just broken OP when attacking from stealth when you play them right. And they're a pain in the arse when they play sneaky on 1v1.
If you have all attributes to health and 257 health from food there is no way they are killing you in one second unless you are a vamp/werewolf and they get a lucky crit. The calculations are pretty basic nothing fancy just pretty much elementary school math. Even with no sets, class, emp alliance or any other bonus you are already out of one shot territory with that much health even if you have no impenetrable and they crit every time.
Here is the real question when they don't burst you down and you do hit reflective scales and green dragon blood do they ever kill you still 1v1?
No because archers are cr**, no matter what class plays them, don't even get me started, I hate them, especially the ones that will try to kill you, fail, hide, wait for 5 -10 min, then try again. I'm not saying either that all NBs always one shot me, but it's the only class with the capacity to do so.
Hybrid Nbs using DW that know what they are doing are quite good in 1v1 in my opinion, have had some interesting fights with some of them I didn't think I'd loose where I got my arse handed to me.
I've had the chance to fight vs very good NBs and Sorcs in PVP (Wabbajack EU) and the skill difference could be measured in light years when you compare them to most of the people playing this game and claiming their class suxs and needs buffs.
I'm really confused. First you say they can "sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds" yet neither of those have anything to do with nightblade no one can sneak for ever but medium armor helps and the speed is about vampire and sets. Then you say they are "too op" but later say they are no problem and suck except for one build with DW, but earlier it was Magicka builds that just spammed two skills. Follow that up with they can always one shot you, which turned out to be 5 shots but they usually can't one shot you. I am having a hard time following.6 -
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Yeah but let's face it, Nightblades are not the superlative of anything right now.shadowz081 wrote: »The only thing really broken about nightblade currently is the cloak in pvp. The rest are just the issue with stamina builds, at least for PvE, though that is beginning to change as DW NB are capable of doing 500-1k sustained dps now, which is a lot better than what the other classes can do with DW builds.:trollin:0 -
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More importantly it's not by virtue of being a Nightblade.They can one shots you, sneak for ever while walking extreme speeds and they only require 2 or 3 spammable skills for magicka ones to be effective. They also have the highest DPS in Trials. Two words to describe them: Too op.
Following the logic of people asking for DK nerfs, NBs also need nerf.
The only way they can one shot you is if you are a vampire/werewolf and they are running camouflaged hunter and it procs while you have no attributes in health. Even with 0 attributes in health you can't get health low enough for them to one shot you with any single attack without something else proccing or a follow up attack, its just impossible.
So you are saying that NB's have the highest DPS in trials? Did something change drastically in the last month or something?
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I haven't played anything else though so don't know how they compare and I often feel seriously out gunned when watching other characters (particularly dealing group damage) but I think that if you learn to think and play in a sneaky sort of way they can be surprisingly effective.I am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.0