Maintenance for the week of December 15:
· [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
· [COMPLETE] PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – December 15, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
Why NB's are actually extremely effective in PvP
Ryzium
✭✭✭
Before I start this, let it be noted that I am talking about NBs when their abilities are actually working, not when the skills didn't work properly.
I have a NB and two guildies I PvP with have V12 NBs and we usually get into some decent 3vX fights. One uses sword and shield with resto staff and the other uses destro staff with two handed. They have never complained about their damage being sub par to any other class or not having the surviveability in longer fights. I challenge a NB to prove to me that their class is under powered and needs a buff.
When people complain that what they are doing in PvP doesn't work it doesn't mean that they are under powered just that someone they fought has a build that beats theirs and they are too stubborn to change the "precious build my NB has to play" *cough cough* the bow/DW NBs
Edited by Ryzium on September 7, 2014 6:08PM I have a NB and two guildies I PvP with have V12 NBs and we usually get into some decent 3vX fights. One uses sword and shield with resto staff and the other uses destro staff with two handed. They have never complained about their damage being sub par to any other class or not having the surviveability in longer fights. I challenge a NB to prove to me that their class is under powered and needs a buff.
When people complain that what they are doing in PvP doesn't work it doesn't mean that they are under powered just that someone they fought has a build that beats theirs and they are too stubborn to change the "precious build my NB has to play" *cough cough* the bow/DW NBs
Ryzium
__________________
Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion
- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
20
-
Ryzium✭✭✭
one or the other honestly, you dont need both. Ive seen bow and sword and shield NBs do really well. the bow is good for the snipe and to minimize the regens from bubbling sorcs dks and tempsEdited by Ryzium on September 7, 2014 7:01PMRyzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
3 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think NB's are fine in PvP, and I do more than alright with my tanky build.
However, I think for most NB builds to function in PvP, they NEED to fix Dark Cloak. I mean, it is our primary survival ability... and when it fails to work, it bones us over hard. it's like if a DK popped Green dragon blood and it just returned 3% health instead of 30% because he had a dot on his target.... Or a Templar couldn't use his sun shield because of a bug or it fell of early. I wonder how well those two classes would do without those skills?
I have to say though... what it sounds like to me is that you are basically saying
"Use the optimal weapons/light armor, and you will do fine". Which might be helpful.. but that is not the solution most players want to hear when they ask for advice on how to improve in pvp. Bow/DW actually does fine right now too, you just need to have more skill and be much more aware of your surroundings... so yeah I'm not sure why people would still say NB's are underpowered.6 -
Ryzium✭✭✭I think NB's are fine in PvP, and I do more than alright with my tanky build.
However, I think for most NB builds to function in PvP, they NEED to fix Dark Cloak. I mean, it is our primary survival ability... and when it fails to work, it bones us over hard. it's like if a DK popped Green dragon blood and it just returned 3% health instead of 30% because he had a dot on his target.... Or a Templar couldn't use his sun shield because of a bug or it fell of early. I wonder how well those two classes would do without those skills?
I have to say though... what it sounds like to me is that you are basically saying
"Use the optimal weapons/light armor, and you will do fine". Which might be helpful.. but that is not the solution most players want to hear when they ask for advice on how to improve in pvp. Bow/DW actually does fine right now too, you just need to have more skill and be much more aware of your surroundings... so yeah I'm not sure why people would still say NB's are underpowered.
Not even that, they can excel in medium or heavy armor not just light but if you have a NB with no defense and you fight a sorc or DK you will get destroyed simply because you cant take the damage.Ryzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
2 -
Braddass✭✭✭NBs have a niche, but it is a very limited niche. They are good at surprise attacks 1v1.
Their sustained dps is not on par, and they have few working survivability options (Cloak rarely works and Blur is a joke).
I am not saying NBs are broken, but in most scenarios, another class is a better option.Edited by Braddass on September 7, 2014 7:33PM5 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NBs have a niche, but it is a very limited niche. They are good at surprise attacks 1v1.
Their sustained dps is not on par, and they have few working survivability options (Cloak rarely works and Blur is a joke).
In most scenarios, another class is a better option.
I would disagree about the sustained dps... i think that is what NB's are best at honestly. With siphoning attacks, I can usually spam my main attacks, and constantly be regaining magicka/stamina.
Survival definitely is the NB weakness, and that is why I lean so heavily on sword/shield for the strong blocking, resto staff for healing ward and the whitestrake 5 piece bonus.
4 -
Ryzium✭✭✭NBs have a niche, but it is a very limited niche. They are good at surprise attacks 1v1.
Their sustained dps is not on par, and they have few working survivability options (Cloak rarely works and Blur is a joke).
I am not saying NBs are broken, but in most scenarios, another class is a better option.
try using a sword and shield with siphoning it will give you sustain dps and surviveability, shades are really good to mitigate damage with as wellRyzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
0 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
This is just flat out wrong. NB is one of the highest in sustained dps, at least on a single target basis.Their sustained dps is not on par
If you've ever been in PVE trials, you know how high NB sustained dps is. Next, outside of trials, you have siphoning attacks, which gives NB the best resource sustain.
Put on light armor and just spam healing wards and harness magicka.few working survivability options (Cloak rarely works and Blur is a joke).
DOTs interfere with the cloak skill. Switch the bow for resto staff, and you won't need to rely on DOTs like poison arrow to do ranged damage.
Also, get the efficient purge skill. Use that instead of dark cloak to get rid of DOT effects and the black bubble that you incur during sieges. When you have efficient purge, you won't need the Dark Cloak's effect unless you're strictly a stealth player. So you can respec to Shadowy Disguise.
I agree that medium armor stamina NB has survivability problems. But medium armor stamina sorc also does (and hardened ward and bolt escape won't help the sorc there when he doesn't have the magicka to cast it).Edited by Aeratus on September 7, 2014 8:01PM3 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭I'm too stubborn, I have entertained the idea of a sword/shield, but never a staff.
I will quit the game before I use a staff.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO46 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.8 -
Ryzium✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.
When you try to be constructive on the forums people just dont want to listen because everyone expect the game to be easy for them and hard for everyone elseRyzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.
When you try to be constructive on the forums people just dont want to listen because everyone expect the game to be easy for them and hard for everyone else
you have a v1 alt nightblade. Nightblade is a vacation for you. I play almost exclusively as one.
You're not being constructive, you are just ignoring the problems plaguing the class.
I don't mind that people are more powerful than me, there are always going to be those people. that there are more powerful builds or unbalanced combos, that will always be the case,
I just want my skills to work.
I don't care what story you want to share as part of your fireside chat. None of that makes my dark cloak actually function on the level it should.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.7 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd love it if cloak actually worked!Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!8 -
Ryzium✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.
When you try to be constructive on the forums people just dont want to listen because everyone expect the game to be easy for them and hard for everyone else
you have a v1 alt nightblade. Nightblade is a vacation for you. I play almost exclusively as one.
You're not being constructive, you are just ignoring the problems plaguing the class.
I don't mind that people are more powerful than me, there are always going to be those people. that there are more powerful builds or unbalanced combos, that will always be the case,
I just want my skills to work.
I don't care what story you want to share as part of your fireside chat. None of that makes my dark cloak actually function on the level it should.
I asked in the OP if you thought a NB was bad at something to tell me and I can show you a way to do it or fight against it. you have done neither so I have nothing to try to help you with. NBs still have a few problems with class abilities not working but other than those, which i stated in the OP were not to be included, they are viable in every role in ESO. if you want me to show you how ask me to clarify in a specific areaRyzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My most effective NB build so far has only one NB ability slotted.
That should tell something...5 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.
When you try to be constructive on the forums people just dont want to listen because everyone expect the game to be easy for them and hard for everyone else
you have a v1 alt nightblade. Nightblade is a vacation for you. I play almost exclusively as one.
You're not being constructive, you are just ignoring the problems plaguing the class.
I don't mind that people are more powerful than me, there are always going to be those people. that there are more powerful builds or unbalanced combos, that will always be the case,
I just want my skills to work.
I don't care what story you want to share as part of your fireside chat. None of that makes my dark cloak actually function on the level it should.
I asked in the OP if you thought a NB was bad at something to tell me and I can show you a way to do it or fight against it. you have done neither so I have nothing to try to help you with. NBs still have a few problems with class abilities not working but other than those, which i stated in the OP were not to be included, they are viable in every role in ESO. if you want me to show you how ask me to clarify in a specific area
I don't need your help. I'm not asking for help because I know how to be viable as a nightblade, and as the poster above said, it's not generally with nightblade abilities.
I will repeat it again, it has nothing to do with viability, and everything to do with wanting my abilities to actually work.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Ryzium✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »So uhh, are we just supposed to take your word for it with this story or were you going to present something solid?
It has nothing to do with viability, I manage. But some of the core skills are barely functioning, if at all. Whether or not I do all right without them, it's because I've figured out work arounds. And that is not acceptable.
When you try to be constructive on the forums people just dont want to listen because everyone expect the game to be easy for them and hard for everyone else
you have a v1 alt nightblade. Nightblade is a vacation for you. I play almost exclusively as one.
You're not being constructive, you are just ignoring the problems plaguing the class.
I don't mind that people are more powerful than me, there are always going to be those people. that there are more powerful builds or unbalanced combos, that will always be the case,
I just want my skills to work.
I don't care what story you want to share as part of your fireside chat. None of that makes my dark cloak actually function on the level it should.
I asked in the OP if you thought a NB was bad at something to tell me and I can show you a way to do it or fight against it. you have done neither so I have nothing to try to help you with. NBs still have a few problems with class abilities not working but other than those, which i stated in the OP were not to be included, they are viable in every role in ESO. if you want me to show you how ask me to clarify in a specific area
I don't need your help. I'm not asking for help because I know how to be viable as a nightblade, and as the poster above said, it's not generally with nightblade abilities.
I will repeat it again, it has nothing to do with viability, and everything to do with wanting my abilities to actually work.
Can you not read the original topic? I said that this thread has nothing to do with broken abilities.Ryzium__________________Alliance: Aldmeri Dominion- V12 Sorc - Clodel
- V2 Tempalr - Game Matrix
- V1 Nightblade - Soul Rend
- 26 DK - Ryzium
0 -
Vunter✭✭✭
Fixed for ya. Don't want to start a flame war, but sword and shield gives invincibility with all the damage reduction and the possibility to cast instant spell while blocking... To any class actually. But not everyone wants to use them, it isn't fair that a particular weapon is a lot more effective than the others.Edited by Vunter on September 7, 2014 10:11PM1 -
lathbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cool guess I'm great at running ATM if I ignore my broken leg.Edited by lathbury on September 7, 2014 10:11PM8 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭they are too stubborn to change the "precious build my NB has to play" *cough cough* the bow/DW NBs
When I picked a class I went for the one that "relies on blades and speed" (official description). I always played physical damage dealers, that's how I have fun. I pay the same subscription fee as you do, why can't I have fun? Why do I have to take it for granted that I need to "change the precious build" of mine in order to be on par with others?
No, I want to play the way I like so of course I want my class synergy with weapons buffed.
Or they should change class descriptions and write explicitly that NB is a class that is good with staves only not to misguide players. And give me (and other misguided players) an opportunity to reroll my class so that I can play the way I like. The class system like that is stupid, they keep saying that every class can do all things and even say that some classes are better in certain things. Well, I picked the only class that wasn't described as a mage. Now in endgame I am no longer having fun.
And you and some people like you keep saying that I need to use my class in a certain way to have fun? WTF? Sure, if NB in stamina builds were OP, I would say the same to people who would try to play it as a mage. But things are different. And I challenge you to prove that my class's synergy with weapons doesn't need to be buffed.
5 -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭they are too stubborn to change the "precious build my NB has to play" *cough cough* the bow/DW NBs
When I picked a class I went for the one that "relies on blades and speed" (official description). I always played physical damage dealers, that's how I have fun. I pay the same subscription fee as you do, why can't I have fun? Why do I have to take it for granted that I need to "change the precious build" of mine in order to be on par with others?
No, I want to play the way I like so of course I want my class synergy with weapons buffed.
Or they should change class descriptions and write explicitly that NB is a class that is good with staves only not to misguide players. And give me (and other misguided players) an opportunity to reroll my class so that I can play the way I like. The class system like that is stupid, they keep saying that every class can do all things and even say that some classes are better in certain things. Well, I picked the only class that wasn't described as a mage. Now in endgame I am no longer having fun.
And you and some people like you keep saying that I need to use my class in a certain way to have fun? WTF? Sure, if NB in stamina builds were OP, I would say the same to people who would try to play it as a mage. But things are different. And I challenge you to prove that my class's synergy with weapons doesn't need to be buffed.
DW melee build is viable in pve, check this: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/nightblade-stamina-based-dps-build-dw-viable-and-trials-ready
don't expect to do omg over 9000 aoe dps with it though.Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on September 7, 2014 10:27PM0 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
Craft a staff using the Altmer motif. Then, pretend that it's a spear or a glaive. There, problem solved.jelliedsoup wrote: »I'm too stubborn, I have entertained the idea of a sword/shield, but never a staff.
I will quit the game before I use a staff.
3 -
Suntzu1414✭✭✭as a VR12 NB. combat survivability (pvp) outside of certain builds (SnB / Resto), is limited. Eventhough NB is billed as high dps class, this is build around crit (mo). which is easily countered (by armor trait).
because of this easy counter, its makes the class downsides, self-heal(none) and Dark Cloak(very broken), a glaring problem.
how we move forward?
1. They will never change traits, so I have had to consider SnB (instead of DW).
2. ESO/Zeni NEED TO FIX Dark Cloak (the fact they haven't fixed this is JOKE).
I've done my part (now play SnB), and sucked it up (per se)...though,i loved playing DW. But, its just not survivable in pvp.
NOW its ESO/Zeni turn...FIX Dark Cloak.
peace.
STDC - NB VR15 - Khajit - DW / S+B / Bow
DC - NB VR 15 - Wood Elf - S+B / Resto
DC - TP VR 15 - Brenton - Resto / Dual Wield
DC - SC VR 12 - High Elf - Desto / Dual Wield
EP - TP VR 5 - Nord - 2hd / 2hd
EP - DK 20 - Imperial - S+B / Desto / Bow1 -
Draxuul✭✭✭I but that is not the solution most players want to hear when they ask for advice on how to improve in pvp. Bow/DW actually does fine right now too, you just need to have more skill and be much more aware of your surroundings... so yeah I'm not sure why people would still say NB's are underpowered.
I'll take a shot in the dark here and say that those who claim their NB is underpowered are those who played the rogue in WoW or the Buglar in LOTRO and are used to being the kings of the hill without too much efforts.
They're used to rolling through their ennemies like a hot knife through butter without ever or very rarely coming across someone who can actually turn around and hit them back .
That being said , if there are still NB abilities that are not working as the devs intended and if NBs are still at a disadvantage because of that then yeah those abilities need to be fixed so they can work as intended .
But i'm really happy to see that the sneaky ones in this game are not having such an easy life as they are used to having in other games.
DraxuulBe who you want to be , do what you want to do, play the way you want to play.
The Prophet once said :``There is no perfect choice , there are only other choices. ``
Same goes for your build. There is no perfect build, there are only other builds.
My name is Draxuul and i approve this message .5
