GvG Wars! You think you can handle it??

shidoq8 · September 2014

Hello all,
This is my first post and the first video i have ever made, i hope you enjoy.
It is a look back at AB2, TB, and Haderus which we have won!! most of em : D.
Now please this is a GvG thread, so no flaming about trains etc... When u watch the video, you will realize that the vast majority of these engages are organized GvG and spontaneous big scale clashes of only bomb groups and no randoms or small scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYumUKL-4J0

We are happy to announce that we are looking for more organized GvG. If you got the balls for it, then post here and we can arrange an event for both guilds, BRING IT ON !!

You are also welcome to post GvG or other small scale epic videos of yours.

We are currently recruiting more players for S.W.A.T, check out our forums please for more info:-

http://www.swat.rocks/

Observant · September 2014

Tamriel Foundry was setting up 8v8's, I signed up but have yet to hear from any organizer about a guild versus guild skirmish.

Anyone wanting to do a small scale battle get a hold of me in-game @Observant‌
(We play EP)

Only limitations are 8 people max, and it has to be after 8pm EST.

Cheers!

themdogesbite · September 2014

Observant wrote: »

Tamriel Foundry was setting up 8v8's, I signed up but have yet to hear from any organizer about a guild versus guild skirmish.

Anyone wanting to do a small scale battle get a hold of me in-game @Observant‌
(We play EP)

Only limitations are 8 people max, and it has to be after 8pm EST.

Cheers!

EU or NA?

And i'm suprised that you managed to record anything with your PC shido! :-)

Observant · September 2014

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

EU or NA?

NA , my bad!

rsciw · September 2014

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

And i'm suprised that you managed to record anything with your PC shido! :-)

He has a new machine

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · September 2014

The fight against Biggus Diccus Zerg is probably best for making a good case about why AoE-caps have to go and why smart-healing under the given circumstances is completely op.

Junipus · September 2014

It wasn't AoE caps, simply good healing on both sides that made the fight last that long.

If I were AD then I'd look to join Shido, but I wouldn't switch sides to a group that currently tower camps in Thornblade.

R1ckyDaMan · September 2014

Bad idea, you are just taking resources away from your faction tbh.

Observant · September 2014

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

Bad idea, you are just taking resources away from your faction tbh.

Are you kidding? a group of 4 players successfully held up an entire zerg. What colour is the sky where you are?

shidoq8 · September 2014

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

It wasn't AoE caps, simply good healing on both sides that made the fight last that long.

If I were AD then I'd look to join Shido, but I wouldn't switch sides to a group that currently tower camps in Thornblade.

what are you talking about we arnt even in TB for a long time now

Yshido · September 2014

..... This group is a joke. Movement sucks and the enemies are mostly randoms not even organized in a teamspeak.

shidoq8 · September 2014

Yshido wrote: »

..... This group is a joke. Movement sucks and the enemies are mostly randoms not even organized in a teamspeak.

hehe damn bra ur a shido too ahahaha, well thank you, and i would love if u can point us out to the best bomb groups so we can see who is "not a joke" and learn. oh and btw all these groups are organized dunno what you are talking about.

what is even better, if u have a guild or so i would gladly go against to test a solid group, but i will fraps it too so u better not be just talk and prove to me that we r a joke.

have a nice one!!

Etaniel · September 2014

I don't think i've seen you fight another train yet (on your videos). Come back to TB to get spanked by TVL

Rallick71 · September 2014

I don't see the skill in this type of PVP.

shidoq8 · September 2014

gwenael_raguinb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't think i've seen you fight another train yet (on your videos). Come back to TB to get spanked by TVL

u and yshido r either blind or ... hmm no ur just really blind watch the video its all train vs train hahaahah i dunno what to tell u really its even gvg (meaning we say this place bring ur ppl i bring mine and it goes as u have seen on the video). anyway TVL or whatever u guys r called we can arrange some gvg if ur up for it

Braidas · September 2014

Rallick71 wrote: »

I don't see the skill in this type of PVP.

Much less about skill than knowledge/organization to have the right set of roles/skills filled out, and to stay together as a group. Not my preferred type of PvP, but it can be fun, and is certainly effective.

Obv depends on positioning and leader's decision when to att as well.

Ezareth · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Rallick71 wrote: »

I don't see the skill in this type of PVP.

Much less about skill than knowledge/organization to have the right set of roles/skills filled out, and to stay together as a group. Not my preferred type of PvP, but it can be fun, and is certainly effective.

Obv depends on positioning and leader's decision when to att as well.

Yeah I can't think of anything less fun in PVP. The individual's skill is replaced by hive mind zergball tactics. Sure you can farm OK AP but with 20-24 Players you really aren't being challenged and groups like this are easily countered due to their proximity with one another.

Most of the skilled players I know have long since broken off into small groups or solo combat. You really don't become a skilled player until you spend a great deal of time fighting in outnumbered situations.

I wish I could like the video as I know how much time is put into them, but I can't really see anything interesting going on other than some great coordination and some aged but tried and true tactics.

Harnesh · September 2014

You know I hate to rain on anyone's parade and large scale combat gets things done but come on that's not GvG that's you guys hitting pugs on siege . As far as skill goes you hit one button talons and sometime cinderstorm and thats it, I'm sure everyone else has there two skills they spam. Within the framework that ZOS has given us the way you play is effective but go watch an 8v8 DAoC video where people are using 10,20 or more skills.

shidoq8 · September 2014

guys i told u this is not a flame thread, common we r looking for some fun here.

in my personal opinion i respectfully disagree with you two. As u may or may not know, but i used to be emp in the 1st and 2nd season, which i did by soloing. I did play small grps ALOT and solo ALOT thats all i used to do, but skill isnt based on solo.

Sure u can go and laugh omg i soloed 10 ppl or 50 people which happened yet again ur not significant at all. the bomb group is the one that wins u the campaign and crowns the emp and even gets u keeps etc to defend and have fun, without them u solo people are worthless.

There is absolutely no skill in solo unless ur dueling i guess, yet again thats no skill u can kil lsomeone 1v1 wohoo good for u. this is coming from one of the earliest guys in the game who only played solo.

about the "we r going against pugs" guys watch the video and stop being trolls 90% of the video S.W.A.T vs Karisha, biggus diccus, zadrots, zo, great dark elf 10000 man bomb etc ... (there r more than 8 different organized bomb grps against us)

also about the spam 2 skills... again we r struggling due to the fact that we use 2 complete bars. in the video i was using 3 ults, and more than 2 skills open ur eyes again and look at the video i dont want to name them.

if u join me one day on one of these raids u will understand that solo skill cant be measured to 0.001% of the complication and skill based on being part of a bomb group that wipes double to 5 times its numbers.

Please refrain from any future flame about bomb groups if u dont like it stop being a baby and just simply do not comment. If u have something fun and good to say or organize with us u r welcome but flame is not welcomed

shidoq8 · September 2014

something i forgot to mention is that some of these groups against us that u r calling randoms are the best bomb groups existing atm. some of them are considered and im quoting "the gods of bomb groups" and they have a history in youtube other games too. so stop trolling us guys by saying we r posting videos of us killing randoms...

Etaniel · September 2014

For your info Shido, the Biggus Diccus group is the TVL group. Not trying to flame, we've had good fights against you and you are our main threat on the AD side. I just think that starting the video by "The best bomb group Europe" is not going to help your cause. I don't think anyone is in position to say "we are the best". You have wiped a lot of groups, but you've been wiped countless times too. Looking forward to seeing you on TB again

Biggus · September 2014

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

The fight against Biggus Diccus Zerg is probably best for making a good case about why AoE-caps have to go and why smart-healing under the given circumstances is completely op.

Btw I (TVL) prefer to run smaller groups, 12-16 man groups seem the best combination of being enough to get stuff done but not big enough that people switch off. Of course sometimes we go larger than this, but its usually not the case, there looks like roughly around 14 of us + randoms in that video, like some other groups we all run in a team uniform: tabards and armour dyed guild colours: Green/White/Black.

So I wouldn't call us a huge zerg lol!

Here is our official stream channel, raw uncut footage of us, which obviously includes lots n lots of us dying! http://www.twitch.tv/ju99ern4u7/profile

P.S the Epic Keep defence highlight has a typical us vs Shido situation: Quantity vs Quality and the varying outcomes of that clash of doctrines.... and all that

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · September 2014

I didn't call you "huge" zerg. I called you "zerg" . You say, you're 3-4 groups most of the time, to me everything past 10 people is zerg. Maybe zerg is already at past 8 people, but 12+, that's a complete Trials-raid, and raid = zerg.
Maybe you're a small zerg, but even the tactics you use (i. e. "blobbing" to take advantage of AoE-caps) are zerg-tactics.

Maybe if AoE-caps weren't there, I'd call you "large amount of players" , but as it is for now and with all respect, you imo zerg.

The fact btw. that you are fighting near a keep where you have lots of random-adds makes it even more zerging. Learn, even normal groups can zerg, if they're running with larger groups or between lots of randoms.
Real, normal groups have the tendency to go to the places where there aren't so many of their own people, they usually even feel disturbed when "randoms" are "adding" them.

Just my 2c.

ThyIronFist · September 2014

And this is exactly what is wrong with the game.

Just lol. Zero respect.

Biggus · September 2014

Okay thanks for clearing that up!
1)10+ is a zerg
2) Attacking a defended keep with more than 10 people is even worse zerging

Honestly the implication either intended or otherwise of your original quote is calling us a zerg, that the SWAT group beat with 'smart healing'. As in the implication that while watching a full 24 man raid group sit on a breach and kill us: we were referred to as the larger party, I was hoping to clarify and correct that.

Zerging to me isnt a specific "number" its a context in situ to whats going on and is highly flexible. If we 16 are fighting 40 to 60 players alone which happens alot, any sane person would class the 40+ players as the ones zerging.

We also don't actively AP farm at objectives, we actually do stuff to affect change to our factions situation, for example we have helped crown 3 different emperors in prime time on the main eu servers (no trading)constantly being the underdog means being out numbered usually by a stupid margin regardless of what we do, so we get that side effect, I really really despise the tick system but do pay attention to it now, especially when putting in hard work somewhere.

I prefered groups tendency is to find and hit larger organised trains, beating them with less players, which also has the knock on effect of them not making inroads on our land like usual.

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · September 2014

Thx for that post Biggus, my opinion of you and your group is definately higher now, than it was when I only knew your slightly provocating name which Zenimax forced you to change. Your choice to call yourself "Biggus Diccus II" then btw. was hillariously funny, so it's really not that I ever thought bad of you.

Anyhow: 16 vs 40 is Zerg vs. Zerg. Maybe even Zerg against Zergs because 40 people if those 40 were i. e. splitted in 2 groups of 20 people are basically 2 Zergs, that's hard to differentiate on the Battle-field though.

My definition of Zerg goes back to the games of DAoC and Warhammer. There, 8 (Warhammer 6) people were allowed in 1 group, and everything past 2 groups (so 12-16 players) was referred to as zerg. Sometimes, it was even closer, so 1 group in Warhammer + 4 adds (10 people) were also already referred to as Zerg, that's how I come to those numbers.

It may be a little different in ESO because 4 people are 1 group, but as heals have a target limit of 6, 6 people are often also referred to as 1 group, so same as in Warhammer. Some people are running around with slightly more people, like 8, sometimes 9, sometimes 10, but there again somewhere the term of "group" doesn't fit 100% anymore, and zerg starts where group ends imo.

Hth.

Sotha_Sil · September 2014

video stopped being epic at 7:00

Biggus · September 2014

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

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Haha the naming thing was nuts, I actually got suspended for the name, I disputed the change and said that I wouldn't change it until it had been referred upwards for a final decision. They agreed, and I waited for a result, I then got my account closed for changing my name back to what was something close to the original while waiting for judgement.

Eventually THAT got sorted out, and I got a response back - denied, fair enough I accepted the decision and changed it to what I thought was innocuous but also similar to the original name (Biggus Stickus), at some point they realised my account name was the same as my char name, and asked me to change it, so I said change it to @biggusstickus to match my primary character, they said that was offensive, and I asked why, in order to clarify it and gain some understanding as to what limitations I had in order to facilitate an acceptable name choice. I was then told that I wasnt to contact them about changing the name again ...as in ... pm us to change your account name, but if you do pm us - your done. Catch 22, and im not allowed to verify whats acceptable or not, just guess and cross my fingers. Crazy Customer service (I accepted the decision on the change) needless to say I got into trouble again, but officially complained about it and got unbanned and all things sorted out. Some peeps from guild and the arena guild suggested a new name as a joke but it was one of the few that was deemed acceptable: The Legendary Biggus

I wonder what shido thinks of that haha!

I played Order on eu Warhammer (same name btw) we always referred to a Zerg as almost the entirety of the other faction moving as one group between different keeps, so maybe that was different for you on your server! Personally I can't in good conscience class both sides as zergs when one side largely outnumbers the other otherwise the terrans in starcraft would be a zerg too if they built more than a few units no? Blobbing up etc different thing entirely though!

Braidas · September 2014

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Thx for that post Biggus, my opinion of you and your group is definately higher now, than it was when I only knew your slightly provocating name which Zenimax forced you to change. Your choice to call yourself "Biggus Diccus II" then btw. was hillariously funny, so it's really not that I ever thought bad of you.

Anyhow: 16 vs 40 is Zerg vs. Zerg. Maybe even Zerg against Zergs because 40 people if those 40 were i. e. splitted in 2 groups of 20 people are basically 2 Zergs, that's hard to differentiate on the Battle-field though.

My definition of Zerg goes back to the games of DAoC and Warhammer. There, 8 (Warhammer 6) people were allowed in 1 group, and everything past 2 groups (so 12-16 players) was referred to as zerg. Sometimes, it was even closer, so 1 group in Warhammer + 4 adds (10 people) were also already referred to as Zerg, that's how I come to those numbers.

It may be a little different in ESO because 4 people are 1 group, but as heals have a target limit of 6, 6 people are often also referred to as 1 group, so same as in Warhammer. Some people are running around with slightly more people, like 8, sometimes 9, sometimes 10, but there again somewhere the term of "group" doesn't fit 100% anymore, and zerg starts where group ends imo.

Hth.

your definition of a zerg is ridiculous

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

your definition of a zerg is ridiculous

y?

Etaniel · September 2014

Zerging happens when a lot of players run around in an unorganized manner. You can't control a zerg, everyone in it is thinking for himself. Anything slightly organized can't be referred to as a zerg. That's just my opinion though.