I honestly don't mind when people bring up issues they think are problems, as long as:

1. They don't make multiple threads on the same issue. Or make another thread about the same issue that someone else already created a thread about that's still active.
2. They make a well thought out statement about whatever problem it is.
3. Are willing to engage in meaningful dialogue about the issue even if others don't agree with them.

I still think the best way to get ZOS' attention on any game related issue is by using the /bug and /feedback features in game. That's what they're there for.

I love you guys...

I haven't played ESO for a few days, but today I played for a short time and experienced three crashes and multiple graphics glitches...seems that smoothing out the game is still not a priority.

Posting something like this usually generates a plethora of comments from one-liner forum posters who have five-star ambitions, but sadly does little to gain the attention of developers who seem intent on adding content and subscribers before making the game stable.

But, then again...who knows. MAYBE Zenimax will get it right...eventually...which would be awesome because the Elder Scrolls is a great story that should continue.

Tabbycat wrote: »

I honestly don't mind when people bring up issues they think are problems, as long as:

1. They don't make multiple threads on the same issue. Or make another thread about the same issue that someone else already created a thread about that's still active.
2. They make a well thought out statement about whatever problem it is.
3. Are willing to engage in meaningful dialogue about the issue even if others don't agree with them.

I still think the best way to get ZOS' attention on any game related issue is by using the /bug and /feedback features in game. That's what they're there for.

/bug and /feedback aren't indexed by Google and searchable by potential customers. An individual can be a louder "squeaky wheel" by complaining in the forums.

Just my observation. To Zeni's credit, they do seem fairly responsive to issues / complaints from the forums. It may take a few months, but they do respond.

Vunter wrote: »

Don't think this is a war between "complainers" and "defenders". This is just a forum where people gives feedback because they want to have more fun with the game.

Do you know the old saying, neither a 'complainer' nor a 'defender' be? Well, rubbish. Without complainers and defenders, how could we ever post or comment anything?

But pardon me...
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Tabbycat wrote: »

I honestly don't mind when people bring up issues they think are problems, as long as:

1. They don't make multiple threads on the same issue. Or make another thread about the same issue that someone else already created a thread about that's still active.
2. They make a well thought out statement about whatever problem it is.
3. Are willing to engage in meaningful dialogue about the issue even if others don't agree with them.

I still think the best way to get ZOS' attention on any game related issue is by using the /bug and /feedback features in game. That's what they're there for.

This covers it, I'm flexible to the multiple thread part, ie if you open a thread on two different forums ie general discussion and Skill lines (example), then I can live with it.

But the important part is how you conduct yourself in the thread, ie you start in a unbiased way, lay down your facts, theory and then your suggestion in a logical reasonable way.

You listen well to others and respond politely. Do not go abusive, even if someone criticises your idea. I once ripped someone's idea to shreds once(it was a bad day, I was sorry afterwards), but the guy just took what I said, and reinvented his idea so my criticism didn't apply, it was a much better Idea, one I actually liked. That really impressed me.

If someone starts trash talk, ignore them. You just have to hope everyone else ignores them too.

Problem solving isn't synonymous with seriousness. Lighten up and take it all in your stride. You never know, you might actually be able to laugh about some of these issues.

While I'm all in favour of sqweeky-wheelism there's also the area population issue which can over-ride fairness, where some claim "majority" because they live in a location with much higher populations. That gets a little sticky when a problem impacts on all of a population in a lowly populated area, country/city for example. The other problem is with the assumptions that the forum users bring to the computer, which aren't always as well-considered as the arguments they might make.

At this point, while the EU server is slighty laggy, I think NA is ok, but I don't play during prime ties on either so my impressions are suspect.

I have had the experience of posting a problem with a considered solution (to me) and being under assault for "whining". All I was asking was that they introduce server swapping for characters because one of the d/t impacted severely on me. Now that I'm on both servers, I don't want it, because, after all, I can only play one character at a time so the d/t's simply don't affect me other than to change which server I'm playing on.

# edit: I'm very "in favour" of sqweeky wheels, if they have a complaint based on valid assumptions, fairness and good argument.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior

This is the main problem with this forum. Many members get around the CoC by using passive-aggressive attitudes, which is always obvious and not constructive at all.

"Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, sarcasm, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible."

Sound familiar? Instead of making logical counter points to topics they disagree with, many choose to simply throw passive-aggressive insults at ideas they don't like. This is actually becoming very common on the internet since moderators can only do so much to limit a persons intent.

Some people might believe that I am personally to blame for hostility because I choose to speak my mind, but I blame all the passive-aggressive trolls who's main intent is to anger others for their own amusement. They think they are being clever, but an obvious troll is obvious.

Darwinism.

Some have learned to kill with kindness and be extremely condescending, patronizing, and insulting (often insulting your personal character, teachers, mother, etc.) and getting away with it because they mask their insults. Either they mask them as "questions" or they "offer advice."

Many others have either had this happen to them, or they observed it happen in a thread on whatever forum they were on and learned it. Now, everyone is doing it.

Forum Moderators across the whole internet allow these tactics to be used, especially when attacking a "complainer." Usually "defenders" are allowed to mock anyone who offers criticism. Hopefully it will be made clear that any form of Hostile Communication Techniques are unacceptable.