UnholyPerfection wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Your pool answers are ... quite few and limited i would say.

Personally im happy with cyro , at most i could consider playing in BGs that had also lots of player inside at the same time playing with neat objectives , but i wouldnt play in arenas and such with few players.

Always found PvP with few players in MMOs to be boring.

Still i dont have something that goes directly against them adding outside balance issues that arenas always bring. IF zen adds them right , maybe even making them like GW2 where all their gear and balance is divided from the rest of the game , i wouldnt mind the devs adding them.

If they dont , then we will have 10 times the amount of balance issues threads we have today , the current balance is NOT at ALL made for small group fights.

It's really a yes or no question?

"Yes I would love to play some smaller scale PvP."

No i would not personally , im happy playing the current PvP.

"No, I want the only PvP available to stay as is."

I dont mind them adding other kinds of PvP for those that enjoy those , i just want them to add them right so it doesnt break my form of PvP/PvE.

While I understand where you're coming (and I did pause and consider a third option) from I don't understand why people would vote against adding something that others would enjoy and that wouldn't effect them at all.

When Blizzard added Arena in TBC it destroyed BG´s.

Blizzard was forced to add timers for BG`s so that they were in line with the small 5 minute battles that Arena is. Vanilla AV or Warsong could last hours, it was amazing after the timer was put in these great BG´s became zerg 5 minute games.

They also had to nerf specs that were in the game for full two years as they were too powerful at 2v2 Arena like the heal-tank pally.
They also removed the Rank system and added resilience to gear, making pve gear worthless in pvp.

The list could go on but the answer to your question is that a Arena will ultimately destroy the other pvp parts as it will offer better rewards for less skill & work while forcing ZO to massive class overhauls.

Yes but only if it doesn't detract from Cyrodill and could somehow be tied in. But please, NO ARENA. This isn't WoW.

I was in Cyro tonight had, a few small scale battles, 3 to 4 on 3 to 4, a really good one on one, he could not kill me I could not kill him..LOL I find small scale pvp all the time in cyro, I don't need to sit in a que and face the same pre-mades over and over, thats just my personal view, I have played many small battle pvp games just gets really boring fast for me..

But if they could come up with some small scale pvp that did not take away from the over all war effort, then I am good with that for an option, maybe when the Imperial city comes in, there might be even more small scale battles inside the city.

Fix the problems inherent in the system, then start branching out. What good is it to add even more areas of PvP where skills don't work properly, there are the same balancing issues, and they still haven't fixed all the classes yet?

Let's focus on fixing things before we starting creating more problems with them.

Probitas wrote: »

Fix the problems inherent in the system, then start branching out. What good is it to add even more areas of PvP where skills don't work properly, there are the same balancing issues, and they still haven't fixed all the classes yet?

Let's focus on fixing things before we starting creating more problems with them.

arena will hammer out class problems way quicker than just letting cyrodiil do the same crap its already been doing for months.... the only things that are noticed are the very large game changing spells. whereas with arena there are more competitive 1v1 opportunities which will show where individual classes lack and excel. this will in turn make cyrodiil better as well

you could find it in cyrodiil if you wanted.

I'd like 10v10 battlegrounds that tie in to Cyrodiil somehow.

Maybe something like a capture the flag game where each team tries to capture a magic crystal. The faction that wins the most matches in a day gets a faction-wide buff for the next day. The magic crystal puts a bubble around your keeps that reduces siege damage or some other lore-friendly justification (so you're not just capturing literal flags for no reason).

And yet all these 1v1, 2v2, and small skrimishes are in Curodiil, you just have to know the spots and the travel lines

Cyrodiil is laggy, and zergy. Any other avenue for PvP would make the game better. Yes you can sometimes find small scale battles, but honestly who has the time to go looking for that, without even knowing if you will find one, or that you won't just get overrun anyway?

Small scale pvp requires more communication, personal skill, and helps balance the game(due to both teams having even numbers).

Small scale is pure PvP, and more competitive.

Siege pvp is great, massive battles can be fun(if the lag was fixed), and the war theme is cool. It shouldn't go away. But its time to add more to the game, it will make it better.

Arena , BG stuffs will ruin MMO.

Zeni should focus on improving Cyorodiil and fix broken things instead of intoducing arena, bg to ESO

Hard to say.
Arenas ruined WoW's pvp.
if they add arenas i want arena and arena players to be second class citizens compared to Cyrodil.
I dont want any game balance to be caused by them.

And MMO's should be balanced on a 1v1 term.
WoW is balanced for 3v3, which is terrible.

Yes, i would like Arena/Colloseum like how it is on Oblivion (TESIV) and at Reaper's March (ESO). About the number, 5v5 is the maximum, while 1v1 is a must.

To avoid it from distracting people too much from Cyrodiil, it could just uses event based championship for prices, while for most of the times it will just give achievements at most. Also maybe make it only available for faction wide, where only some specific events makes it world wide.

The important thing for me is duel, i would like to test my skill 1v1 without any third party interuption. So, a free + no-prize duel system should be added.

I like the open world PvP in Cyrodiil.

One side steam-rolling is only possible because...

• Campaign-hopping is so easy and you can change your home and guest campaign every 3 days.
• There's still too many campaigns (at least on the EU server).
• AoE caps prevents small groups from having any chance of defending a keep against a zergball.

There are three main incentives why it's done:

• You get full PvP buffs from your home campaign no matter where you play (be it on another campaign or in PvE where these buffs are helpful for trial groups who are aiming for competitive times in the leaderboard; the buffs also make veteran dungeons easier for everyone).
• You have it easier (in PvP) without missing out on anything (there is no noteworthy underdog bonus at the moment).
• You have a lot more port options playing in a campaign where your side is dominating which makes the PvE content in Cyrodiil (skyshards, anchors, dungeons, quest nodes) a lot easier to access.

The first two incentives are being addressed at the moment (campaign buffs should only work when you are in Cyordiil, in the campaign that grants the buffs, in the end, and the underdog bonus hopefilly will be significantly increased).

Reducing the number of campaigns to 3-4 per server (would be enough, at least on the EU server except for prime-time on week-ends), giving them all the same duration of 14 days or 1 month and making campaign hopping only possible at the end of each cycle (with no guest campaign option anymore but only a home campaign) would help prevent it even further.

As for AoE caps, we all know what should happen to them...

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

The most fun I've ever had in MMO PvP was Huttball in ToR. Although I do understand peoples concerns that balancing small scale PvP could mess up the large scale PvP and honestly that's a really good point and not something I thought of.

Finally someone who shouts out for huttball! I loved those smaller scale instant queue gamemodes that were more objective based. Somehow my experience with wvw was that it always just degrades into mindless zerging where most people don't even really know how the objective works.