Is there enough bank space?

Anthony_Arndt · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

From what the devs were saying before beta, ESO sounded like it would be my perfect fantasy MMO. An MMO where I didn't need a small army of alts to manage. Where I could do what I wanted, be what I wanted, and go where I wanted. Like a fantasy The Secret World.

But then reality hit. If you want to do any crafting at all (and I limited myself to only three crafting skills) it's damn near impossible to not have an army of alts. I have EIGHT characters when I had been hoping to have one or two.

First, I have my main, who is also my main crafter (clothier, smithing, woodworking).
Second to hold overflow crafting materials.
Third to hold all the treasure maps.
Fourth to hold all the pets and other pre-order things.
Fifth to hold extra Racial Motifs and Recipes for the Guild Store.
Sixth to hold on to white and green items I need to research.
Seventh to hold on to blue, purple, and gold items until I can get my crafting up high enough that I'm more likely to pull out the rare bits on deconstruction.
Finally, eigth to hold ... alright, this one I'm not too sure about... it gets confused by this point.

My wife is in the same boat. She is also only doing three crafts (alchemy, cooking, enchanting).

For both of us, the game has become such a PITA that the game that was supposed to be our perfect couples MMO is one that we now play an afternoon or two a month.

And the only reason is because of storage.

Bag storage and vault storage is so horridly stingy and monstrously expensive that even now, even just on our mains, we've only just now hit 100 bag and 100 vault spaces.

So we can't just go adventuring and then vendor/craft/decon/etc. at the end of an evening. Instead we run one dungeon, run back to town for a 30 minute inventory management session. Do another mission or three, then run back to town for a 30 minute inventory management session.

Cuyler · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

200+ comments...3.6k views....no word from ZOS hmmm O_o

Anthony_Arndt · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Kcttocs wrote: »

To reach max bank space will cost you 768,500 Gold. Ouch!
Edit, I take back my vote... I must have been drinking and missed clicked or something lol

Actually, based on the increases per expansion from 40-100 in beta, to get from 40-200 would cost you somewhere north of 53 million gold... and I don't want to think about how much the 200-240 would cost.

In every Dev play though I saw before ESO went live, whenever they opened their inventory they all always had 200 inventory spaces. I doubt the devs ever had to grind the gold to buy their bag and vault upgrades.

Katniss_Everlark · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

I currently have 5 characters, my main which is maxed on Black Smithing, Wood Working, Clothing & Provisioning while currently leveling Alchemy & Enchanting. The way I use my bank space the best is by getting my crafting materials stacked to 100 & taking that stack out on two of my other four characters. They also hold all the costumes that I have saved so far & gear that I have already crafted for myself when I hit VR 12.

For the three professions that require research of traits, I keep those in my bank so that way when something is done researching I can automatically put something else to research instead of jumping back & forth between characters.

When it comes to provisioning I only keep the materials that make the food I'm currently using in my bank. The materials that make the other two types of food are kept on another character.

The only issue with it costing so much gold to get the next bank space is when I'm trying to fund another character to purchase the pack bonus horse. Currently two of my alts have that horse & two don't have it. Once those two alts get that horse I won't have any issues spending the gold to upgrade my bank. Once it's fully upgraded hopefully I don't have to take the stacks of 100 out any more & I can actually put those items back in my bank & be able to level up those two characters.

I'm currently at the bank space of 130 with the next upgrade to 140 being 37,200 gold.

ravenhartb14_ESO · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Anthony_Arndt wrote: »

For both of us, the game has become such a PITA that the game that was supposed to be our perfect couples MMO is one that we now play an afternoon or two a month.

And the only reason is because of storage.

Same here. I don't play nearly as much as I would. I enjoy the gameplay, but I loathe the inventory management minigame.

If it takes longer to manage inventory then it does to play, something's wrong.

If you need to create another character to use as a bank; instead of being able to use a bank, something's wrong.

From other comments, it sounds like there *may* technically be enough space available, but it's so ridiculously expensive as to be unattainable.

Zenimax: Are there plans to address the issue?

Aiko · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

With all the money i spend on increasing my bankspace, i could probably build my own bank o.o

Cyberdown · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

I really don't mind it costing so much, game needs a gold sink and well, bank space really is that valuable.

Not sure if I already commented on this thread, but its a major pain to have to log in and out of 4-5 alts just to distribute stuff from one characters session playing...since bank space is far too tight to even consider doing more than two or three crafts, let alone all of them...and even with a couple crafts per game account...you can never dream of keeping sets for future use, or items for future use...

Just let us use a skill point as a master crafter (with a skill point in the tree and skill level requirement) that will open an additional tab for that crafts materials and crafted items..perhaps do one halfway through (level 25) for a small tab then at 50 one large enough to fit just about everything aside from spam crafted items.

Zeni doesn't want one character to do it all I think, which is a horrible restriction (why cant my guy just craft and be peaceful? why does he have to save the world?) so then restrict it via skills not bag space which then restricts it on alts as well.

Oolou · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

Just because I'm too cheap to buy the additional space and use a mule alt, doesn't mean that there isn't enough lol

Rune_Relic · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

1. I want to keep all the runestones as I never know what I need when.
2. I have a load of recipes for when I do get round to cooking, but never used them yet.
3. I have wood/metal/cloth on the go. All these materials need farming and space ...especially collecting all the weapons/armour for deconstruction.
4. I haven't worried about alchemy yet. I will (like provisioning/enchanting) invest in this when sill points are plentiful. For now I need ingredients stored.
5. Then there is all the racial styles, improvements and such.
6. That's without trophys and pets etc.

So I voted not enough space and spending all your money trying to increase the space is not fun

ravenhartb14_ESO · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So I voted not enough space and spending all your money trying to increase the space is not fun

Alt banking isn't fun for me either. The question ZOS needs to send to a workgroup to consider is: "Do we want players to have fun playing our game, or do we want to keep our current business model of providing a chore simulator for a monthly subscription fee?"

TBH, I have enough chores around the house right now, I don't need to pay for the opportunity for virtual chores. I've stuck around so far because I hope it will change, but it's getting more difficult when something that is gamebreaking and funbreaking hasn't even been commented on by ZOS, let alone addressed. Instead of fixes, we get shiny new squirrels to distract us.

egosumacunnus · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Oh good apparently i am getting a reward for subscribing to the game i hope it comes with it's own bank slot so i can keep it.

hades23b16_ESO · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

It's like bothering the players because of what exactly? Everyone doesn't have enough space.
And in addition the space you have is bugged. Not stacking in the guild bank is such a no go and it's there since the beginning!

If this is not fixed after my 6month payment I'm gone...

Playing should be fun and not work. Micromanagement of inventory for an hour every day you play is just annyoing.

Woolenthreads · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

On top of that ZoS would like to reduce the bank space or fill the emails of anyone who's played for over 3 months

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/08/21/eso-subscriber-loyalty-program

babylon · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Woolenthreads wrote: »

On top of that ZoS would like to reduce the bank space or fill the emails of anyone who's played for over 3 months
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/08/21/eso-subscriber-loyalty-program

Maybe some of them hold shares in one of those goldselling companies

wsvdyk · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Its just a rediculious price for the 2nd upgrade. I don't even want to know how much the 3rd and 4th is.

I under stand that the backpack is so expensive but the bank space no. 11k for the second upgrade!

sotonin · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

another day without response from zos.

shiva7663 · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

This issue is not going to just go away.

egosumacunnus · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Here is what i think happened. They mixed up player and guild bank systems, and went all infinite stamina for horses on it and because of this have no idea how to fix it without pissing people off that spent the gold or looking like morons.

But hey sod us right, doesn't matter that it is effecting our experience. They have already got our money.

We pay a subscription for this and we have to use Pay to Win work arounds to accommodate ourselves.

I will send them poo in the post if they think charging us real money for extra space in the form of player housing or increased character slots that a lot of us now need is OK, but hey sod us right?

We are not even worth a comment on the issue.

A moderator will come along soon and close the thread with some dishonest reason.

egosumacunnus · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

So i made Deadric armour for all my mules, bored of them being scruffy. A few people told me what a waste this was, and i think about like this. If i had bought the mats it wouldn't cost me more than a 25% of my next bank upgrade

sotonin · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

hey zos. where are you? oh yeah. closing threads of people quitting the game.

Pseudonym · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

The maximum number of bag slots is 110, add the 60 you can get from a fully upgraded Draft Horse and you have yourself 170 slots.

This, on 8 different potential characters and you have 1360 spaces to utilise, without even touching your bank. Though 240 potential bank spaces seems more than enough to me.

What are you people carrying around? I throw away those dumb trophies (which should have their own tab I think), and all my pets are on a single character. The only things in my bank is crafting materials - stacks and stacks of the stuff, yet I still have plenty of spare room.

AlexDougherty · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Pseudonym wrote: »

The maximum number of bag slots is 110, add the 60 you can get from a fully upgraded Draft Horse and you have yourself 170 slots.

This, on 8 different potential characters and you have 1360 spaces to utilise, without even touching your bank. Though 240 potential bank spaces seems more than enough to me.

What are you people carrying around? I throw away those dumb trophies (which should have their own tab I think), and all my pets are on a single character. The only things in my bank is crafting materials - stacks and stacks of the stuff, yet I still have plenty of spare room.

I keep the trophies, but I put them on one alt.

Nestor · August 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Pseudonym wrote: »

This, on 8 different potential characters and you have 1360 spaces to utilise, without even touching your bank. Though 240 potential bank spaces seems more than enough to me.

A proposal that costs 768,500 Gold for the Bank, and 51,000 plus 50 days for each character is not a solution.

And, you still have the Alt Mule Shuffle going on. Then, your stuck with a slow horse, which kind of defeats the purpose of having one. Sure, you could buy a second horse and spend the money and time to make that one speedy. Then you lose your 50 inventory slots as soon as you take it out of the barn. Wonder what happens to the inventory you had stored on the 50 bag horse under those conditions. Probably just disappears.

If we had 120 character spaces and 240 bank spaces to start with, and could grow that, then we would not be complaining.

More bank space does not hurt anyone, while it helps everyone. There is no downside to this. A rising tide raises all ships as they say.

Pseudonym · August 2014

There is enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

Nestor wrote: »

Pseudonym wrote: »

This, on 8 different potential characters and you have 1360 spaces to utilise, without even touching your bank. Though 240 potential bank spaces seems more than enough to me.

A proposal that costs 768,500 Gold for the Bank, and 51,000 plus 50 days for each character is not a solution.

And, you still have the Alt Mule Shuffle going on. Then, your stuck with a slow horse, which kind of defeats the purpose of having one. Sure, you could buy a second horse and spend the money and time to make that one speedy. Then you lose your 50 inventory slots as soon as you take it out of the barn. Wonder what happens to the inventory you had stored on the 50 bag horse under those conditions. Probably just disappears.

If we had 120 character spaces and 240 bank spaces to start with, and could grow that, then we would not be complaining.

More bank space does not hurt anyone, while it helps everyone. There is no downside to this. A rising tide raises all ships as they say.

Fair enough. I'm easy either way. More bag space is fine. I personally don't need it, but I can appreciate those who do.

egosumacunnus · September 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

Player housing should solve this problem completely, but they are too busy making VR content, a system they have stated that they are going to scrap in the near future.

I want to start a new character and can't as i have no slots left, i have offered real money for bank slots so i can bin a mule and it has been rejected. I shouldn't have to throw away/sell things i know will be useful to be able to play the game we all pay for. Oh look incentive to buy gold where did that come from?

Their reason for the absurd guild store system was made apparent with the addition of guild traders. Releasing content that is sub optimal until they get round to finishing it, is stupid.

No hint of what they plan to do has been forthcoming or even if it is being worked on or looked at, we are being ignored. I think they plan to sell us more bank space/character slots/player housing and they require the incentive for us to buy that through a *** bank space allowance.

Pseudolo · September 2014

There is enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

I'm doing every craft, and I'm a hoarder of trophies, but between inventory space and bank I'm pretty much good. I don't have mules. It's a bit difficult on your first character, but once you have a couple, and start researching traits, you free up space fast.

jelliedsoup · September 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

If you keep what you need and not hoarding there is plenty.

If you use a single character and not ALTs then that's bollocks.

Martinus72 · September 2014

There is enough bank space and it is fairly priced.

I don't mind using mules for crafting mats and gold comes easy later on so it's a good sink for that.

ravenhartb14_ESO · September 2014

There is not enough bank space and it is unfairly priced.

I really like the gameplay of ESO, but the short of it is:
If I don't see a change in bank space within the next patch or 2, I'm not going to continue paying for a game I don't play.

The reason I don't play is the micromanagement needed to cope with the poorest banking system I have seen implemented in any game. Fix it and my fun increases, I continue playing. Don't fix it, and you won't have to worry about reading any more of my posts on the forums or my subscription funding your shiny new player distractions.

At this point, it doesn't matter to me what the ESO staff chooses to do. there are plenty of games out there that I can sink my time and money into. It's no longer in my interest to attempt to help ESO be successful. Realistically, if ZOS can't listen to feedback and fix broken things, they really don't deserve my money.

GnatB · September 2014

ravenhartb14_ESO wrote: »

I really like the gameplay of ESO, but the short of it is:
If I don't see a change in bank space within the next patch or 2, I'm not going to continue paying for a game I don't play.

The reason I don't play is the micromanagement needed to cope with the poorest banking system I have seen implemented in any game. Fix it and my fun increases, I continue playing. Don't fix it, and you won't have to worry about reading any more of my posts on the forums or my subscription funding your shiny new player distractions.

At this point, it doesn't matter to me what the ESO staff chooses to do. there are plenty of games out there that I can sink my time and money into. It's no longer in my interest to attempt to help ESO be successful. Realistically, if ZOS can't listen to feedback and fix broken things, they really don't deserve my money.

BankManager addon. AFAIK the author is no longer playing, but there are others keeping it updated enough.