Why I'm liking ESO and why I don't get all the hate.

Elloa · August 2014

I very much agree with @Ogriv. I love The Elder Scrolls Online. It's my favourite game, and the game that fit my personality the best. I'm not denying the issues, but all in all i simply LOVE it and many of the things that are irritating people, are actually reasons for me to love the game.

I truely believe that ESO is one of those game that will get a lot of haters because it's very different, and because people are stupid enough to not understand "Okay, this game is just not MY cup of tea, I move on and let everyone that is actually enjoying it in peace". People, and especially stupid people, like to think they are right and other are wrong. Their tastes and their opinions are the correct ones.

What actually pain me, is more for the devellopers. They are obviously working on this game with passion, and they get all this crap back. It's really disheartening for the fan, and certainly even more for those that put all their life into the game ( In one of the ESOOTR interview with Nick Konkle, Nick Konkle thanks the fan and say "This game...it's my life!" and you can feel the honnest truth behind those word. This guy is filled with passion for what he is doing!)

So, I try to share my love for ESO as much as possible on every social media. I'm making videos, reviews, and sharing tons of screenshots! And I hope the devellopers get a little piece of my passion and my gratitude! I hope it can comfort them and encourage them to continue to make me dream with ESO!

Unmai · August 2014

I'm not arguing that there is plenty of bugs that need fixing and issues that need balancing but if by chance the developers do use this forum as a consensus check then they are going to be less inclined to go out of their way to sort issues if they feel all they are getting is abuse and hate. It's no different to any workplace, I made be paid to do a job but I'm much more likely to work harder if my boss is playing nice to me rather than if I feel he is hurling his crap at me all day.

Like I said I think a weekly progress thread from the devolopers would be a good way of keeping us players up to speed on progress while giving us a constructive opportunity to put our input to the developers on what aspect they are working on.

Ad.Absurdum · August 2014

i do not see much hate here but more criticism, much of it earned. i think for a pay to play mmo you can expect the game to work technically and that is often not the case. new things are impletented which do not work properly, old stuff is broken by the process. the engin is not kind of great for an mmo, the customer service is at times a bit poor for the pay to play concept. imo are there many things that should be fixed before implementing new stuff, no matter how cool the new stuff may be. i don't see why expecting a working game has anything to do with hate. sure, there are some trolls around here but compared to forums of other mmo's it's pretty civilized.

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I played for 6 years solid only quitting last xmas, raided all content when it was current excluding very last tier of mop, have pvper to a decently high level 2k rbg 2100 3s nothing special but enough to get a good understanding of the game.

To say it's complicate and that the chat alone has more commands without actually giving an example is hilarious.

This is a game where you can macro moves together (warrior one shot macro etc), attunement is a thing of the past and dungeons are scripted events.

Wow is a lit of things most successful mmo ever, game changer regarding the mmo market and nostalgic part of my gaming history. But to say it is the most sophisticated game is hilarious.

Pallmor · August 2014

Ogriv wrote: »

I suspect I'm about to get a flaming but so be it...

I'm not really sure why everyone is hating on this game so much. Now I am a Elder Scrolls Fan, have been an avid fan since Morrowind but all I see on this forum is hate.

Because this is the internet. Complaining is what people do here.

raglau · August 2014

Ad.Absurdum wrote: »

i do not see much hate here but more criticism, much of it earned. i think for a pay to play mmo you can expect the game to work technically and that is often not the case. new things are impletented which do not work properly

A key criticism I would have of ZOS, is why keep implementing new content when lots of the old stuff is not working correctly? The answer is obvious, they cannot appear to be fixing what should have worked upon release funded by a subscription. So the sub has to have the appearance of buying added value over and above a working game in the form of ongoing new content.

It's rather a sleight of hand however, as it's quite obvious to those of us here since day one that our subs HAVE been funding fixes to things that should have worked on release. It's a bit like buying a new car and having to pay a fee to get things fixed that actually should be covered by a warranty.

Nonetheless, I do like the game and so this practise is tolerated.

Tapio75 · August 2014

@Ogriv. I have all the extra packages and can start anywhere but that anywhere really only means any of 3 starter zones/areas which only Ebonheart pact has part of Skyrim in it at Bleakrock is in Skyrim but that is so brief.

If only i would have option to scale my character to zone levels much like in Cyrodil, i would think much less about other lacking the game has. Being able to go anywhere would really make my day.

I hope someday the have all of Tamriel done and all the loading screens will be gone as well so you can just seamlesly ride from Eastmarch to Glenumbra to Summerset Isles to Elseweyr to Blackmars to Morrowind and finally back to Eastmarch where my home would be

I see so much potential in this game that even with all the frustrating flaws, i keep my subscription active even while i may have couple of moths gaps in my playing. I just hope it pays and i hope they will make it feel more like older TES titles have been without forgetting that it is all about options that give MMO groupies also an enjoyable experience.

Pallmor · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

I look at videos of people playing WoW and see that it is DEFINITELY not the game for me. It looks way TOO sophisticated. They all seem to have about 40 abilities slotted, a GUI that looks more complicated than a display on the starship Enterprise, and numbers flying everywhere. It looks like they're playing a spreadsheet application, not an immersive game. It certainly doesn't look like something that could transport me to another world.

ESO I enjoy. It's far from perfect, but it's fun. And it's not so complicated that playing it gives me a headache.

BBSooner · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

Let's be clear, the true fans here are critical of ESO. Yes, that often comes off as hate, but it's not without objective justification. ZOS screwed up and persists to screw up and there's volumes of threads chronicling those screw ups. I really don't need to list them they are such common knowledge

No true Scotsman, and all that. Lets not validate our opinions by applying a qualifier to their value. Otherwise I agree with your statements.

Unmai · August 2014

@Tapio I agree that starting where ever you would like and maybe picking up the main quest once you join and alliance would be better but that hasn't happened in and Elder Scrolls game previously. There would still have to be set start locations, maybe one per region of the game of possibly the capital of which ever race you choose would be a applicable way to implement it.

On you previous comment regarding exploring. I actually enjoy the fact that some places are unsafe to go because you are at risk of higher level monsters. I remember this was a major complaint of Oblivion and an excellent mods was created that gave all creatures and NPC's a set level. This meant that at early levels dungeons became dangerous since you may not be high enough level to survive. eg at early levels if you see a Troll you run like hell. To me this concept is far more realistic than everything always being the same level as you which for me just takes the challenge out of things. Also having areas'd at a higher level than your character would be a good opportunity to party up and try to exp grind a little.

Tapio75 · August 2014

Well, with Stat scaling option extended to all zones, you could just play with scaled character or the level fashion way like now

It would still be greater challenge to go level 50 zones (i would prefer scaled zones to be vr5 like Cyrodil and me scale to 50) as level 10 than as level 20, 40 or 50 since you dont have all the passives, abilities and other perks you have otherwise plus your armor is still that weak level 10 armor.

EDIT: Number and locations of missing parts of Tamriel are such, that they could easily create totally new storylines and starting areas to them but i would still prefer scaled option to go anywhere

Venereous44 · August 2014

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I played for 6 years solid only quitting last xmas, raided all content when it was current excluding very last tier of mop, have pvper to a decently high level 2k rbg 2100 3s nothing special but enough to get a good understanding of the game.

To say it's complicate and that the chat alone has more commands without actually giving an example is hilarious.

This is a game where you can macro moves together (warrior one shot macro etc), attunement is a thing of the past and dungeons are scripted events.

Wow is a lit of things most successful mmo ever, game changer regarding the mmo market and nostalgic part of my gaming history. But to say it is the most sophisticated game is hilarious.

Well, you can't explain that the sky is blue to someone who is blind. If you played it as you say and still have this argument then what else can I say? I can't see how you can't see its 100X the game... even just a single toon can have a HUNDREDS of commands, macroed or otherwise. I bet you played with a default UI bar.. there is no other explanation.. you missed a good 90% of the playing capabilities.

Do you know the definition of sophisticated? Especially compared to ESO, there is no contest.

Crumpy · August 2014

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I played for 6 years solid only quitting last xmas, raided all content when it was current excluding very last tier of mop, have pvper to a decently high level 2k rbg 2100 3s nothing special but enough to get a good understanding of the game.

To say it's complicate and that the chat alone has more commands without actually giving an example is hilarious.

This is a game where you can macro moves together (warrior one shot macro etc), attunement is a thing of the past and dungeons are scripted events.

Wow is a lit of things most successful mmo ever, game changer regarding the mmo market and nostalgic part of my gaming history. But to say it is the most sophisticated game is hilarious.

It's a much more sophisticated game than ESO.

Elsonso · August 2014

Yes, thanks to the OP!

I play on all three servers (NA, PTS, EU, in that order) and am having a lot of fun doing it. I have relatively small problems and none that are server specific.

I am making gold hand over fist in guild trades. Maybe not as much as some people, but it is enough since I am not in this game for the gold.

Some of my characters are 'non-traditional'. Sword and board Sorcerers, heavy armor Nightblade, as two examples. I feel no obligation at non-VR level to conform to any particular character build ethos other than my own.

Although I play every day, I have no VR characters except for the template ones on PTS. I like it this way and am in absolutely no rush to solve this problem.

I don't play in Cyrodiil, and that is fine with me. This seems to eliminate the bulk of what people complain about. The few times I have actually been in Cyrodiil (I have earned about 20k AP) have not been crash riddled bug infested lag fests, but then I have yet to see a zergball.

Ultimately, there is little for me to really complain about. Certainly there are things that can change and be fixed, and I am all over that with feedback and bug reports, but the game is actually very playable the way it is. It has not been an easy path, but so much has improved since launch that it is pretty much a different game now.

I just want the game to continue to move forward and add content that interests me, and the type of people who share, or can benefit from, my play style.

Certainly, the balance issues with Magicka vs Stamina are of interest since I prefer Stamina characters, but I figure that this will eventually be resolved and it is not stopping me from playing. There are some user interface things that could be updated, like email replies and searching lists of items, and yeah, storage space is tight, but I can still play the game just fine.

These things, while important to many, are not at the top of my list. What is at the top of my list is expanded zone content. There is a lot to do moving through the zones, but I really want more to do as a primarily PvE player. I don't want everything tied to VR/Champion levels in Craglorn and whatever comes after it. The more that happens, the more the game turns into a dash to the finish line to get new content.

I am really looking forward to anything they can provide for Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood. However, to be interesting, it will require more than a guild quest line running in parallel to the main quest. Advancement in these organizations should include sanctioned assassinations and theft. I am not sure if I want to see the Skyrim system where I pick from different styles of job or not.
I would like to see the Fighter and Mage guilds expand to have more outside of the main quest than kill daedra, close anchors, and find books. There should be side quests (plural) in each guild hall and tent. I would not be opposed to "endless" daily quests in the Skyrim radiant tradition that could be done at any level for a small amount of guild credit. Nothing Tamriel shaking, but just stuff that can be done for guild rep, and achievements. It might be interesting to have players compete (PvE, group, not solo) to be guild master, or head guild member at a particular location.
I am wary but interested in the justice system. I want to know how they handle the rampant stealing from chests, bags, and other NPC personal storage areas. Depending on how this is done, I have characters ready to start.
I would like to see what they come up with for player housing, but suspect that guild housing would be better. I see player housing as nothing more than long-term storage. If they can do better than that, my interest will increase.
They need to add large open spaces, like plazas and amphitheaters, in major cities. Places that are not already populated or major thoroughfares. This is for some of the RP and group festival events that I have witnessed. These have been pushed into the main areas and it has caused problems. In the real world, when people see something happening, they tend to walk around. In virtual worlds, they simply walk through it and disrupt things.
Eventually, it would be nice to have alternate paths through the levels. Instead of always starting EP in Bleakrock, then Stonefalls, then Deshaan, introduce new areas that are equivalent. This might be tough considering that important people are part of the zone and alliance quest lines (Aryenn, Almalexia etc)

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Ogriv wrote: »

I suspect I'm about to get a flaming but so be it...

I'm not really sure why everyone is hating on this game so much. Now I am a Elder Scrolls Fan, have been an avid fan since Morrowind but all I see on this forum is hate.

I don't understand why all those people who claim this isn't an MMO are still here. OK so it doesn't do this, doesn't have that feauture etc. If it is so bad then why are you playing ESO and not the "mythical" perfect MMO you are talking about.

I think most people only want some basic things that they have come to expect from the genre like an auction house for instance. It's not avante guarde to exclude this from the game, it's just inconvenient to the players.

ZOS set out to make an MMO that is different. I personally have so far loved what they have achieved. Is it perfect, absolutly not. Does it have issues to fix. Definitely but this isn't WOW, FFXIV or any other MMO. It is elder Scrolls Online.

I love the combat, the removing of simply number spamming. The in game combat feels authentic and as if your numbered moves are additional power moves with the mouse clicks working as standard attacks.

This is only true when it works. Unfortunately so much of the rage is caused by bugs that make combat almost impossible at times like the weapon swapping bug or broken skills.

I love the feeling that I can just wander and explore. Most MMO's lead you down a path holding your hand, leading you from quest giver to the target and then back again. ESO genuinely feels like I'm out in the world on my own, having to find quest markers and goals myself, seeing things along the way. (I can't count the amount of times something has caught my attention and made me trek of course of my goal. (I spent 10 mins swimming around the Northern Island of Bleakrock just to see what was there).

I cannot agree with this at all. This game has a VERY linear path 1-49. It does improve at the veteran ranks but you are still forced to do certain quests just to access the next area. Why can I not simply walk over there? Because this is a themepark MMO. See how far you get in The Rift at level 10.

I love the visual quality of the game, the atmosphere of the cities and landscapes just feel alive. I also like the way no where feels crowded. I used to log into FFXIV in a city and see nothing but PC's standing around on screen.

Visually this game is stunning and they are constantly improving it. I don't see too much complaints about the way the game looks, only in the way it behaves.

This game has a lot of good qualities going for it (many I haven't listed). Yes it has issues, I dislike the need for partying in some dungeons. I think some parts should just be to hard to run solo. This would also allow more more in game community which at the moment feels lacking. The classes are unbalanced is one of the big issues that keeps popping up. We all know this issue, ZOS knows this so why do people keep shouting about it rather than waiting and allowing ZOS to deal with the issues.

Overall this game is now WOW, FFVIX or any other MMO, it is also not Elder Scrolls VI. It is a merging of the two genres. Give ZOS the credit it deserves for creating the game it has so far. It is only 4 months old. FFXIV got completly scrapped after it's first release. Every MMO has severe issues upon release. ZOS are patching rapidly to resolve issues but they will ultimately work towards their final concept. Not yours, not mine but theirs. So rather than keep hating on it why not show some support since after all all your hating is proving is that you care about the game and want it to improve and if that's the case let's help ZOS give us the best game they can.

I think the fact that I per-ordered the Imperial Edition and have continued to pay for it shows support. We criticize it so that they know where the faults are and can focus on fixing the issues that are important to us. I bring those issues here to these forums where ZOS can see and address them instead of bashing the game on a third party site.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

You are joking right?

Tandor · August 2014

I love the game personally, and have had virtually no problems with it.

Then again, I'm neither a min-max'er nor a PvP'er, and they seem to be the two categories of MMO player that have the most problems with any game and are also the types most likely to complain about those problems the most. I'm not surprised to see them complaining the whole time here, it's par for the course.

Venereous44 · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

You are joking right?

You have never played WoW, have you? There is no contest..

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Venereous44 · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Comparede to ESO, really!?

Reivax · August 2014

Chelos wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

I disagree. The game is breath-takingly underwhelming.

Your opinion is perfectly ok by me, but allow me the question: Why do you play it?
Your life time is too precious to waste it on something you don't really like.
(Sorry for getting philosophical)

It's called "HCP", High Conflict Personality.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Comparede to ESO, really!?

WoW held my interest for about a month. It's a ridiculous game for children. I'm sorry, but it's the Leap Frog MMO. ESO is far more sophisticated than WoW and that's part of the cause of all the bugs.

Venereous44 · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Comparede to ESO, really!?

WoW held my interest for about a month. It's a ridiculous game for children. I'm sorry, but it's the Leap Frog MMO. ESO is far more sophisticated than WoW and that's part of the cause of all the bugs.

LOL!.. so you saw less than .00001% of the game or what it can do... yeah, we need more of your opinions on these subjects that you know so much about

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Comparede to ESO, really!?

WoW held my interest for about a month. It's a ridiculous game for children. I'm sorry, but it's the Leap Frog MMO. ESO is far more sophisticated than WoW and that's part of the cause of all the bugs.

LOL!.. so you saw less than .00001% of the game or what it can do... yeah, we need more of your opinions on these subjects that you know so much about

Your comment was ludicrous. If you had played any game that was made before WoW you would realize that they didn't have a single original idea. You played one MMO and for many people the only MMO they ever played, and you have this silly idea that it's sophisticated (your word not mine) and it's flat out not. Even for it's time in 2004 it was behind the curve in graphics which was the appeal people had to it. It was incredibly easy to play and very goofy. It definitely appealed to the masses because of it's accessibility and like I said before it's aggressive marketing campaign. I challenge you to name one thing that the game had that was unique or innovative. The only thing people can quote are the sub numbers which means it was successful, but that doesn't mean it was good. The Jersey Shore had a lot of viewers I wouldn't exactly call it quality television programming though.

zhevon · August 2014

One other issue - is that on some other places you make a slightly negative comment you downvoted by rabid fanboys. Makes people even more frustrated.

Venereous44 · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

montgomery.luke07b16_ESO wrote: »

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

This mad me laugh, not taking a *** at you or anything but Wow sophisticated??? Dude come on it's pretty much the casual go to game right now.

LOL... you must never have played it... you can literally have hundreds of commands as I did... everything is to the next level... just the chat in WOW had more commands than the entire game of ESO... its easily as sophisticated as an OS. Your comment just shows your own lack of sophistication as there is no other game in the world that even comes close. You say its casual? Why, cause its been around forever and still nothing comes close to being that successful?

I...just...can't. Please go play EQ around 1999, SWG around 2004 or EQ2 around 2006. I could list other MMO's that WoW copied but honestly WoW didn't do anything innovative. It was popular because it required mediocre hardware and they had an aggressive marketing campaign. They were not innovative or sophisticated. I'm sorry.

Comparede to ESO, really!?

WoW held my interest for about a month. It's a ridiculous game for children. I'm sorry, but it's the Leap Frog MMO. ESO is far more sophisticated than WoW and that's part of the cause of all the bugs.

LOL!.. so you saw less than .00001% of the game or what it can do... yeah, we need more of your opinions on these subjects that you know so much about

Your comment was ludicrous. If you had played any game that was made before WoW you would realize that they didn't have a single original idea. You played one MMO and for many people the only MMO they ever played, and you have this silly idea that it's sophisticated (your word not mine) and it's flat out not. Even for it's time in 2004 it was behind the curve in graphics which was the appeal people had to it. It was incredibly easy to play and very goofy. It definitely appealed to the masses because of it's accessibility and like I said before it's aggressive marketing campaign. I challenge you to name one thing that the game had that was unique or innovative. The only thing people can quote are the sub numbers which means it was successful, but that doesn't mean it was good. The Jersey Shore had a lot of viewers I wouldn't exactly call it quality television programming though.

Sure, that's exactly what they did.. they took the best of everything and combined them into one game.. something no one else has been able to match. We're not talking about graphics here... but the game play, options and mechanics. There is still nothing on par... if you took the best of all MMO's out there.. You get WOW.

Psychobunni · August 2014

Venereous44 wrote: »

I'm loving this game a lot. But there is still nothing out there that can compare to the sophistication of WOW. I can no longer play WoW because my hands can't take mouse and keyboard play any more... so its short attention span theater games with limited controls that I can assign to a controller and ESO fits the bill perfectly.

I will happily admit I could only stand the cartoonish look and feel of WoW a few hours and deleted the very same day I downloaded, it may have gotten more "sophisticated" but the initial tween boy cartoon was a big turn off for me at least.

Before ESO the only MMO that held my attention and I felt truly involved with was LOTRO. Now, I do absolutely love ESO, it was their games that got me into RPG to begin with. My only true complaint that makes me want to walk away is that they are getting ready to raise cap to VR14 with no content that is either non-group based or non-pvp based for 4 levels.

Group/pvp for special gear, mounts, achievements, w/e floats your goat but don't force me into group OR pvp. That isn't to say I don't enjoy grouping, because I loved the 12 & 24 man raids in LOTRO....but don't make me do it just to top level/skills as everyone else.

RazielSR · August 2014

Chelos wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

I disagree. The game is breath-takingly underwhelming.

Your opinion is perfectly ok by me, but allow me the question: Why do you play it?
Your life time is too precious to waste it on something you don't really like.
(Sorry for getting philosophical)

And why are you wasting your time saying how good the game is? GO AND PLAY!! If you come here means that you are wasting your precious time by creating this topic and answering to other people wasting their time!

No matter what you say, or not. The reality os another, your bubble will just dissapear as soon as it arrived. And is gonna hurt to the whole TES franchise imho, which is an absolute "crime".

Elad13 · August 2014

Interesting that people that like the game quickly agree with the issues that others hate about the game. ...in short is it worth $15 a month to wait and see IF they address issues? For me it's not...I've over paid for what was delivered...and have to say most people that love the game usually don't play a v12 main character. Since grouping is more work then reward...playing solo is what I ended up doing...and they fixed nor released anything to improve the excitement for me....since Noone has an original feeling there are many others that agree and disagree...no one thought is just felt by one person.
In a game that always claimed to want feedback and the genuine feeling of disappointment I personally felt...I voiced that frustration on the forums. There are tons of choices everyone can make. I personally feel the game flopped....but this time instead of loosing $60 like titanfall....I lost $120...so I feel even more upset. Had eso been 60 days free with sub I probably would have never subbed in the first place...at which point I would have been fine being that that game was pretty solid lvl 1 through 49. The vet system and forced Cadwell level was terrible...The craglorn content and trials were terrible...The new content coming up is terrible....The have to group and have to be set up a specific way is terrible. Why because it holds no rewatd or incentive to play....and when a game stops being rewarding or fun you loose interest. That point comes at different levels for different people...This game is great non sub game....but until they can offer $15 of value a month worth of content for ALL players it fails. Is $15 of group content worth it? Not if you don't play group content.....is $15 a month worth of solo content worth it? Not is you don't play solo. With all the last and soon to be released updates all forcing you to group in a game that hinders grouping many people just don't see value in the game...those people leave....those that do stay.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

Well opinions really.

After some of zen calls , i now recommend anyone i talk about this game to not buy it.

My friends atleast listened to me , the others i have no idea.