Thechemicals wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Over the years I've played some great games and had some awesome experiences with them. In the early years with Ultima, Wizardry, Castle Wolfenstein, (before the 3d versions, well early wizardry was kind of 3d but..) And the mid years with, Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Morrowind, Company of Heroes and Metal of Honor, etc. Each game wonderful if I measure the enjoyment I got out of them at the time. As much as I absolutely loved those games I would not waste time playing them now because atm the ESO experience by far trumps those others...now. Even Morrowind...just sayin (please don't beat me bro...heh)

Like anything it's a give and take and honestly it's a waste of time to make comparisons like such as the OP did. The ESO system is what it is and serves whatever purpose it does. It can't in any way be reasonably compared to or criticized because of a fishing mechanic once experienced in a 1997 MMO. These new games offer new experiences according to the vision of the crafters, writers, developers, it's either good, bad or blah. It is none of those based on it's relation to X because it's not related to X in any way....IMO

Would I love to see the game Morrowind recreated with the new engines, voice acting, lack of fast travel, need to explore, less hand holding, more character development etc. YES, Absolutely, but I can't dis ESO for not going in that direction and act like it's a somehow inferior product, because it's not.

Much rather see you petition for a more detailed and intricate fishing system rather than take what I see as a cheap shot, quick point comparison. It just really serves no purpose IMO.

Lay your shield down, you dont need to defend lack of creativity. I fished Duhfish and Salmon for 4 hours per night....none of which can be cooked or sold for any money. Ocassionally you get a wet bag with some craft stones in it. Im not throwing a cheap shot, eso did that to itself when it offered fishing in the first place. Let me ask you this, because eso added fishing in this game does that allow it to suck as bad as it does that a 17+ year old game has more options and imagination to it. Let me ask you something else, does this new experience in Elder Scrolls Online also involve the inability to go underwater. Thanks for your feedback but you dont need to defend eso's poorly implemented features.

And btw, i love this game. Its a 8/10 for me so dont think im a hater.

You might not be a hater of the game, but as far as the fishing portion is concerned all you did with this thread was say "Ughh, it sucks!", when you could have used the opportunity to explain what it was about UO's fishing that made it so great, or explained exactly what is missing from or wrong with ESOs fishing mechanics.

I enjoy the fishing, as lackluster as it may be. I would love to see it improved, but your thread here does nothing to help our cause. You're making some passive aggressive insults towards ESO and the developers and offering nothing else. It's completely alright to be critical of things in the game, but the way this thread reads, it seems like you just want others to pat you on the back for being the one to say fishing sucks in ESO. Weather or not that was your intention, that's how this thread reads to me.

Edit: Also, Dhufish can be sold for gold, unless that was changed recently.

Thechemicals wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Over the years I've played some great games and had some awesome experiences with them. In the early years with Ultima, Wizardry, Castle Wolfenstein, (before the 3d versions, well early wizardry was kind of 3d but..) And the mid years with, Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Morrowind, Company of Heroes and Metal of Honor, etc. Each game wonderful if I measure the enjoyment I got out of them at the time. As much as I absolutely loved those games I would not waste time playing them now because atm the ESO experience by far trumps those others...now. Even Morrowind...just sayin (please don't beat me bro...heh)

Like anything it's a give and take and honestly it's a waste of time to make comparisons like such as the OP did. The ESO system is what it is and serves whatever purpose it does. It can't in any way be reasonably compared to or criticized because of a fishing mechanic once experienced in a 1997 MMO. These new games offer new experiences according to the vision of the crafters, writers, developers, it's either good, bad or blah. It is none of those based on it's relation to X because it's not related to X in any way....IMO

Would I love to see the game Morrowind recreated with the new engines, voice acting, lack of fast travel, need to explore, less hand holding, more character development etc. YES, Absolutely, but I can't dis ESO for not going in that direction and act like it's a somehow inferior product, because it's not.

Much rather see you petition for a more detailed and intricate fishing system rather than take what I see as a cheap shot, quick point comparison. It just really serves no purpose IMO.

Lay your shield down, you dont need to defend lack of creativity. I fished Duhfish and Salmon for 4 hours per night....none of which can be cooked or sold for any money. Ocassionally you get a wet bag with some craft stones in it. Im not throwing a cheap shot, eso did that to itself when it offered fishing in the first place. Let me ask you this, because eso added fishing in this game does that allow it to suck as bad as it does that a 17+ year old game has more options and imagination to it. Let me ask you something else, does this new experience in Elder Scrolls Online also involve the inability to go underwater. Thanks for your feedback but you dont need to defend eso's poorly implemented features.

And btw, i love this game. Its a 8/10 for me so dont think im a hater.

I just don't see the point then. Your post is labeled.. "When a 1997 MMO has a superior Fishing system..." You not just making an observation. You are taking a shot at it (ESO) and labeling it an inferior product. In fact, based on the fishing mechanic your labeling it a dumb product. What are you saying? Should there be a mini-game where we drop the line and hold it against the current or have to adjust the lure/bait to be in line with the fish etc? Do we need a ton more bait and fish species options with related provisioning options? We just don't know what your getting at? Sorry man but it left ALOT to assume.

There are a ton of aspects to this game in need of improvement and some things like the fishing system seem unfinished. That said your post is what it is. A somewhat absurd comparison. What they've done with fishing in ESO is a design choice that serves some purpose, although I've not figured out what that is atm.

I guess what I'm saying is I see a difference in making the kind of comparison you do versus lets say the quality of an animation. For instance I remember being a little bent out of shape in years past because of the terrible walking and running animations TES games had, especially with characters holding weapons and shields. OMG they were awful and broke immersion for me. Some older games had much more sophisticated animations at the time.

Hah, I'll shut up now. I'm beginning to like the sound of my text and thats a bad sign.

I absolutely 100% aggree with your observation of games being dumbed down in general. Would love to see a shift the other director for sure. So in general we disagree about our agreement.

*some edits for better clarity. Edits are in italics. Sorry was falling asleep at the time..my bad.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Other than graphics, what does this game have that is superior to Uo? Better mmo engine to support Cyrodiil? Those arent exactly ideas.....more like just technology.

I think my point flew right over your head.

not the least of which is questing, combat and the world.

Seriously, I'm dumbfounded how anyone can find Questing in this game fun. It's the EXACT same actions every time, just put in slightly different circumstances.

Did you know there's a Quest in EP and DC that's Identical. You put out five fire's around a village and save 5 villagers. Both Quests require the EXACT same actions:
-Pick up bucket
-Fill bucket from well
-Use bucket on fire
-Talk to NPC

The singular difference between the quests, was the fires were started my different culprits.

The day I noticed this^ was the day i stopped questing @ about vr2. I'm Vr12 now and haven't done a quest since.

Ruebs wrote: »

The day I noticed this^ was the day i stopped questing @ about vr2. I'm Vr12 now and haven't done a quest since.

..but the skill points! How could you abandon those delicious skill points?

http://youtu.be/PAX7b00P_Ac

Assumed you were talking about this 1997 MMO and its fishing when I read the thread title.

Ruebs wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Tell you what, I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days.

Other than graphics, what does this game have that is superior to Uo? Better mmo engine to support Cyrodiil? Those arent exactly ideas.....more like just technology.

I think my point flew right over your head.

not the least of which is questing, combat and the world.

Seriously, I'm dumbfounded how anyone can find Questing in this game fun. It's the EXACT same actions every time, just put in slightly different circumstances.

Did you know there's a Quest in EP and DC that's Identical. You put out five fire's around a village and save 5 villagers. Both Quests require the EXACT same actions:
-Pick up bucket
-Fill bucket from well
-Use bucket on fire
-Talk to NPC

The singular difference between the quests, was the fires were started my different culprits.

The day I noticed this^ was the day i stopped questing @ about vr2. I'm Vr12 now and haven't done a quest since.

Well, good for you and good for me. You do what you like and I do what I like.

Nice eh?

DenverRalphy wrote: »

My only gripe about fishing in ESO... The wait time staring at the screen waiting for a bite to reel in. It doesn't necessarily have to be as short as gathering wood/plants/runes, heck it could be twice as long as other nodes for all I care. But sometimes you can sit for what seems like forever even with the right bait for the water, to the point it's just annoying.

so ya mean its just like fishing in real life then :P

Thechemicals wrote: »

Heres a link of a 1997 made mmo's fishing system
...snip...
Whats happened to mmo's that they gotten so ...simple-dumb?

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'll take all the vast improvements in this game over the "better" fishing from UO days

do you now comprehend..?..
want me to make it even more sad? His money is as good as yours.
even sadder? There are millions like him. At best, a few thousands like you.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

RedMiniStapler wrote: »

"I'm going to buy ESO for awesome fishing system" said no one.

And don't forget the underwater swimming! It is so awesome in every single mmo.

DAOC wants to have a word with you. Trials of Atlantis had GIGANTIC swimming underwater caves/dungeons/raid areas that were fun and well-designed. Literally several entire zones.

STRONGLY disagree here. Trials of Atlantis is the reason I left DAoC. Swimming was so frustrating...

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Some people really get it and others...its just goes right over their heads.

*To the ones saying sarcastically that i came to eso just to fish, the answer is no. Seems like you couldnt think of anything to say and believed youd make sense with a comment like that. I didnt come to eso just to make stacks of potions either....or to repair a wall in Cyrodiil over actually doing pvp. See how that works? Fishing is a good distraction and social thing that some games offer. We are lucky to have a fishing system thats for sure, it adds to the things you can do socially.Try it sometime.

* To the ones who think its pointless to fish in the first place. Maybe it is, but the feature was implemented for those of us who enjoy pointless-fishing like say....as pointless as thinking you are a pro in pvp and making twitches about yourself. Fast forward that 10 years and see what youve reallly gained. At least when i fish i go out with friends and develop relationships that have actual value.

* The point behind it all is that UO wasnt a fishing game. It just had a design team that put imagination and interest in even the smallest features. In Eso, the imagination was focused where? 70% of the dungeons are the exact same copies of themselves(truth,read up about it) and all the monsters have already existed....so if they used an existing framework of a game to include its monsters,lore,history,locations....then where did the creativity get focused on? The quests? After a certain number, you can almost spot the change from substance quests to generic-fill-ins for standard masses.

FFS you cant even cook the fish. This fishing system...like dungeons...and several other things was copy/pasted. At what point do you stop saying you didnt come to eso to fish or craft or explore or quest? At some point you stop to smell the roses and realize the roses are half done or not done at all.

I still play UO on the UO:F server, have played UO in one form or another since 1998, and can say that there is no way you can compare the 2 games.
Also, fishing is the last thing I would use to demonstrate a superior game. Really, wth?

Personally I'm just happy I got to enjoy a great game before the genre was infested with the gimme gimme's.

Nothing can compare to UO. Comparing a modern MMO to UO is like comparing Taylor Swift to Mozart.

If UO was released today as it was back in 1997 it wouldn't last a month. I can see the posts on UO's forums now the first time people lose everything they were wearing and carrying when they died and couldn't get back to their corpse in time.

Crapstorm wouldn't begin to describe it.

Ahhh, nostalgia, how it can influence memories.