Why this game is so bad.

Vatter · August 2014

This is a post for potential new comers to the game and those who are just starting out. I have played this game since beta and will share why you should avoid this product.

In the beginning.....the experience you will encounter from levels 1-50 will be the best this game has to offer. the story line is great, the quests are easy mode and with the new changes to armor sets, etc, you will face roll this with ease. Enjoy it. Because thats all this game has to offer.

After defeating the god of schemes (you can do this while naked and fist fighting) and you receive your prize thats comparable to any average npc drop, the game goes downhill.

In the middle.....You start veteran levels. This is merely an after thought designed to give you "busy" work. You are dumped in the opposing faction like you are just starting. You retain none of your previous relationships or experiences. its strictly as if you rolled another character for another faction. that is all.

Now, you do have the ability to completely skip this part and go straight to Craglorn (Zos's utter failure of a group zone.) This is nothing but a grind fest. Running from one location to the other over and over and over and over and killing the exact same thing over and over and over and over until you hit veteran rank 12. If you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not.

At the end.....At this point you may ask your self, "well I'm at the end game, now what?" Well, ZoS has given you 2 options. You can run the 2 end game raids or pvp.

The 2 raids are completed with ease and take an average of 11-15 mins depending on your group. The gear you get from them is nothing special and there is no bonus from actually running them. In other words, farming the 2 raids which are suppose to take group coordination doesn't give you anything to separate you from the average solo player.

PVP.....ahhh now we come to the part of Cyrodiil, the player vs player zone. Be prepared to deal with multiple client crashes, fps issues, lag, rubber banding, inability to attack other players, unable to swap weapons, unable to interact with keep doors, health bars not syncing, and a gigantic host of exploits and cheats. In most cases, its unplayable.

To be effective in Cyrodiil. you must be a vampire, and you either have to be a sword and board templar or dragon knight, OR you can be a sorc light armor/ destro staff player with impulse. Both need to have bats. If you are anything else. your doing it wrong. (Although I have seen an increase of bow night blades coming in to take advantage of the damage exploit.)

Due to the skills having no cool down, macros are king. be prepared to explode from 100% health to dead in less then 3 secs. There are a lot of single attacks that hit you for 33%+ of your health (and thats with 3k+ health) mix that with unbreakable cc's and perma stuns and lag, programming a simple 3 to 4 hit macro will destroy anyone in less then 2-3 secs.

A lot of current fan boys will try to tell you how they are fixing these problems and the road ahead will bring better balance and better gaming. Don't listen to them. All you have to do is go back in the games patch notes and see how they say they have fixed the same problems over and over and over and over but have not.

Its not all bad though. ZoS does do one thing FLAWLESSLY and with INCREDIBLE ACCURACY - and thats taking the $15 a month from your credit card. I have NEVER experienced a single issue or bug at all with them taking that $15. Nor have I experienced any issue where a bug gave me free game time. ever. At least we know and can rest assured that if there were any such bugs that they would be fixed in less then 24 hours.

forbarcusb16_ESO · August 2014

You've sure as hell listed the negatives of the game in your opening post, but, judging by the fact you haven't even bothered to consider the positives, you clearly lack the ability to fully analyse without bringing in your false thoughts.

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Vatter · August 2014

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

You've sure as hell listed the negatives of the game in your opening post, but, judging by the fact you haven't even bothered to consider the positives, you clearly lack the ability to fully analyse without bringing in your false thoughts.

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yeah clearly. so I see you didn't post any positives that out weigh these negatives. also there is a positive at the end of my post so......

Azzuria · August 2014

Aw, you poor thing. Bless your little heart.

If you'd taken two minutes to research ( about all the thought you actually put into yet another in a long line of 'I hate ZOS' posts ) you'd realize that I am pretty hard on ZOS when it comes to design choices and laziness ( like the terribly VR1 to VR10 other faction quests. ).

But that doesn't get your hater rocks off so ... commence wenching!

Tavore1138 · August 2014

If you do not like questing that is fine, if you expect to get super l33t gear for something you say is 11 mins of easy play... well ok - you are really just saying this game is not your preferred style.

The bit about lag is exaggerated but not unfair.

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forbarcusb16_ESO · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

You've sure as hell listed the negatives of the game in your opening post, but, judging by the fact you haven't even bothered to consider the positives, you clearly lack the ability to fully analyse without bringing in your false thoughts.

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yeah clearly. so I see you didn't post any positives that out weigh these negatives. also there is a positive at the end of my post so......

I don't believe it's obligatory for me to post positives to someone who can't see past their own opinion. I could have posted positives, but you would have quoted, gave me an awful reason as to why I'm wrong (because, of course, your opinion is always right!) and then you would have ranted on about how I'm a "fan boy" and how I'm in the wrong for not agreeing with you.

Vatter · August 2014

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

You've sure as hell listed the negatives of the game in your opening post, but, judging by the fact you haven't even bothered to consider the positives, you clearly lack the ability to fully analyse without bringing in your false thoughts.
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yeah clearly. so I see you didn't post any positives that out weigh these negatives. also there is a positive at the end of my post so......

I don't believe it's obligatory for me to post positives to someone who can't see past their own opinion. I could have posted positives, but you would have quoted, gave me an awful reason as to why I'm wrong (because, of course, your opinion is always right!) and then you would have ranted on about how I'm a "fan boy" and how I'm in the wrong for not agreeing with you.

read your first sentence and stopped. You have no ground to stand on. Instead people like just want to attack anyone who has issues with this game

SirAndy · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

ZoS does do one thing FLAWLESSLY and with INCREDIBLE ACCURACY - and thats taking the $15 a month from your credit card. I have NEVER experienced a single issue or bug at all with them taking that $15. Nor have I experienced any issue where a bug gave me free game time. ever. At least we know and can rest assured that if there were any such bugs that they would be fixed in less then 24 hours.

You clearly don't read the forums much ...

kijima · August 2014

You do realize that projecting your own ideas on others by use of a forum isn't going to work right?

ZOS_TristanK · August 2014

We wanted to pop in and remind everyone to keep your conversation focused and on-topic. We require that all users post with the Code of Conduct in mind, which prohibits personal insults and disruptive behavior. We know that our players are all passionate and will not always agree, but please stick to discussing the topics laid out in the original post.

Keep in mind that we do value all feedback about ESO, be it positive or negative. When you feel a member of the community has violated the Code of Conduct, please alert the moderation team using the report feature, rather than replying in the thread. Replying will contribute to the overall derailment of the thread.

If this thread can't get back on track, we will have to close it. Thank you for your understanding.

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RoyMallis · August 2014

All I see is you've had bad experience with this game. I fail to see why your misadventure should be the mean by which this game is judged.

Vatter · August 2014

For the newcomers to the game or people who have quit but just checking out whats new, you can see things have changed. Kids try and shut these threads down fast. speaks to the type players on these forums as well.

Nestor · August 2014

I have tons of games, so I can play just about anything out there, current or past. I am playing TESO, I am having fun, that is all that matters.

Is the game perfect? No. Is any game perfect? No.

So, if your not having fun, then don't play the game. The rest of us will have fun regardless.

Vatter · August 2014

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

If you do not like questing that is fine, if you expect to get super l33t gear for something you say is 11 mins of easy play... well ok - you are really just saying this game is not your preferred style.

The bit about lag is exaggerated but not unfair.

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BS eh? SO none of things I posted are true at all?

TheBull · August 2014

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

We wanted to pop in and remind everyone to keep your conversation focused and on-topic. We require that all users post with the Code of Conduct in mind, which prohibits personal insults and disruptive behavior. We know that our players are all passionate and will not always agree, but please stick to discussing the topics laid out in the original post.

Keep in mind that we do value all feedback about ESO, be it positive or negative. When you feel a member of the community has violated the Code of Conduct, please alert the moderation team using the report feature, rather than replying in the thread. Replying will contribute to the overall derailment of the thread.

If this thread can't get back on track, we will have to close it. Thank you for your understanding.

Edit: To encourage this thread to become focused and on-topic, we will be clearing out comments that violate our Code of Induct.

People are leaving Cyrodiil again. We are seeing another exodus. Much like we saw the first month, for much of the same reasons. Please fix it fast.

Vatter · August 2014

Nestor wrote: »

I have tons of games, so I can play just about anything out there, current or past. I am playing TESO, I am having fun, that is all that matters.

Is the game perfect? No. Is any game perfect? No.

So, if your not having fun, then don't play the game. The rest of us will have fun regardless.

so what about it are you having fun with?

dsalter · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

forbarcusb16_ESO wrote: »

You've sure as hell listed the negatives of the game in your opening post, but, judging by the fact you haven't even bothered to consider the positives, you clearly lack the ability to fully analyse without bringing in your false thoughts.

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yeah clearly. so I see you didn't post any positives that out weigh these negatives. also there is a positive at the end of my post so......

regarding cyrodiil, i'v gotten to 300 or so in the scoreboard as a Sorc Dual Wielder, vampire yes, bat spammer no (i enjoy the bonus sneak speed) so there goes your only so and so builds. then theres this cliant crashing, server lag etc. i get NONE of this, it's gotta be on your end.

have to agree on vet zones that was rather depressing and craplorn is meh but it isn't purely about grinding. but the way zoned quests are done it kinda forces it.

Drakoleon · August 2014

I dont see enything wrong in that statement
Everything in there is totaly truth
I could add 2 more pages with huge problems like skill conflicts quest bugs etc
The truth is no matter what some "fan boys" saying that my "friends list" has only 4-5 online and was used to be with 40-50 Is this ring any bells? I quess it does
Unfortunately ESO (the best game ever played) is a complete failure
Yes there good things or "working" stuff but is that the point??? Yes i can live with some bugs but WTF lag spikes conflicting skills etc etc its just rediculous! Remember...the game is not beta....or it is?

LonePirate · August 2014

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Keep in mind that we do value all feedback about ESO, be it positive or negative.

@ZOS_TristanK This has been stated many times by you and other ZOS personnel but I have seen almost no actual proof of it. In fact, the only time I can remember where ZOS has apparently acted on feedback was on the outcry over the VR system that first resulted in the VR content difficulty reduction and seemingly is responsible for the pending switch over to the Champion Points system. For a game that is almost five months old, that's not showing much concern or interest in player feedback.

Do you know what would be beneficial for both players and for ZOS? Each week, randomly pick five forum feedback comments and five in-game submitted feedback comments and post responses to them via a new web article or even a post on the forums. ZOS needs to put up or shut up about valuing player feedback.

The_Drexill · August 2014

The OP started off well. I couldn't find anything I disagree'd with about the leveling or VR levels... then he said Trials will take an average of 11-15 minutes, and it was all downhill from there. That's very obviously not an average.

Some of the points were half or quarter truths... for instance, Vampire isn't mandatory, but it definitely puts you at a disadvantage not to be one.

ESO is one of those games that is greater than the sum of its parts. Alone, most parts of it are pretty awful... but for some reason, the big picture is a lot of fun. I quite enjoy grinding around vet zones, and I really enjoy Cyrodiil.

JessieColt · August 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Keep in mind that we do value all feedback about ESO, be it positive or negative.

@ZOS_TristanK This has been stated many times by you and other ZOS personnel but I have seen almost no actual proof of it. In fact, the only time I can remember where ZOS has apparently acted on feedback was on the outcry over the VR system that first resulted in the VR content difficulty reduction and seemingly is responsible for the pending switch over to the Champion Points system. For a game that is almost five months old, that's not showing much concern or interest in player feedback.

Do you know what would be beneficial for both players and for ZOS? Each week, randomly pick five forum feedback comments and five in-game submitted feedback comments and post responses to them via a new web article or even a post on the forums. ZOS needs to put up or shut up about valuing player feedback.

I would rather the company dedicate their resources to addressing issues, instead of replying to users who post feedback regarding what they do, or do not like, or what they want, or do not want the company to change regarding the game.

Ojustaboo · August 2014

I'm going to defend the op somewhat.

I suspect they have simply posted in the height of frustration.

I don't personally agree with everything they say, but theres truth in a lot.

It does start out the best game ever, I dislike the immersion breaking 'play the two other factions' when you hit vet.

I hate how some of the things I loved in beta have been dumbed down (fighters guild quest)

My guild runs vet content most nights, so finding groups to run them is rarely a problem, I haven't personally experienced enough of craglorn to comment about it.

PvP is in a sorry state, its unplayable for many. I don't agree you have to be a vamp, while I am one, many I group up with are not.

The ops entire paragraph about PvP lag, rubber banding, unable to swap weapons etc is 100% true for any of my EU guild that likes PvP and since they moved the server is also true for PvE.

I love this game and currently have no thoughts on leaving. But I haven't logged in since Friday 15th August for the one simple reason that almost all areas I play in are suffering lag, crashes, weapon not swapping right when needed most etc and my fellow guildies are still experiencing the same.

I simply reached the point that Friday where I snapped and told my guildies I will be back the second it's playable again.

I was so pissed and frustrated at my attempts to play since the EU move that in the height of anger, I could also easily have posted something similar to the OP just concentrating on the negatives.

On the whole, my entire guild has been very positive since early access despite the many bugs. But I have noticed a change in the past few weeks, people don't have endless patience.

Nothing worse than someone say not into PvP or not on the EU server, or a solo player whose not made vet or doesn't regularly group, saying or implying as they have no problems, no one else does or it must be the players PC or ISP etc, my guild range from mid to very high end PCs on a variety of ISPs, and since the move and the update (started after move, update made it worse) we are all experiencing numerous problems.

We've tried following advice, we've tried no addons (some didn't have addons anyway), we've submitted no end of bug reports.

There simply comes a point where enough is enough, I reached this point a couple of weeks ago, other guildies are sticking with it but more and more on our forum Im seeing comments along the lines of "lag/ctd or whatever driving me mad so given up playing for the night" and it isnt the same person posting this,

So it is an awsome game, but it does have many problems past 50 and not just peformance related.

This is becoming a huge problem, someone obviously frustrated needs encouragement (I know I do), not some idiot saying all I hear is whaaaaaaaa

kieso · August 2014

Sadly OP is right; I've also been here since BETA and I admit it's all starting to finally get to me and any Hope of ZOS fixing said issues is dissipating quickly.

sagitter · August 2014

You had a bad experience, your point of view, i have a good experience and fun ,my point of view, so this is a message for the new comers from me:
TRY THE GAME and than you can judge , don't listen to this guy but make your own decision , that's what a brain is for.

Vatter · August 2014

sagitter wrote: »

You had a bad experience, your point of view, i have a good experience and fun ,my point of view, so this is a message for the new comers from me:
TRY THE GAME and than you can judge , don't listen to this guy but make your own decision , that's what a brain is for.

yeah. like cigarettes. Don't be sheep. what do the people who smoked them in the past know. try em out for yourselves. after all 50 million smokers can't be wrong.

sagitter · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

You had a bad experience, your point of view, i have a good experience and fun ,my point of view, so this is a message for the new comers from me:
TRY THE GAME and than you can judge , don't listen to this guy but make your own decision , that's what a brain is for.

yeah. like cigarettes. Don't be sheep. what do the people who smoked them in the past know. try em out for yourselves. after all 50 million smokers can't be wrong.

yeah definitively, comparing playing an online videogame to smoking cigarettes is the same thing

Vatter · August 2014

sagitter wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

You had a bad experience, your point of view, i have a good experience and fun ,my point of view, so this is a message for the new comers from me:
TRY THE GAME and than you can judge , don't listen to this guy but make your own decision , that's what a brain is for.

yeah. like cigarettes. Don't be sheep. what do the people who smoked them in the past know. try em out for yourselves. after all 50 million smokers can't be wrong.

yeah definitively, comparing playing an online videogame to smoking cigarettes is the same thing

wow, the point flew that high over your head huh?

MercyKilling · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

wow, the point flew that high over your head huh?

Apparently it flew right over yours too.

Because comparing a video game to a cancer causing, highly addictive, life threatening substance is just like comparing Charles Manson to Bozo the Clown.

It's overdoing things more than a wee bit for no good reason.

We get it, you're not happy with the game. Please, do us all AND yourself a favor and just move on?

Pseudonym · August 2014

You don't like the game. I understand.

I'm enjoying the game, and so are my friends. We've recommended it to a few other friends of ours.

I'm sorry to hear it wasn't what you were looking for, but I don't see what you get out of driving others away, who might possibly enjoy it?

Maotti · August 2014

Me and three guildies had a lot of fun in Craglorn this evening! Went from one group dungeon to the other and we had a blast! Are these daily or can you do them whenever you want?

Vatter · August 2014

MercyKilling wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

wow, the point flew that high over your head huh?

Apparently it flew right over yours too.

Because comparing a video game to a cancer causing, highly addictive, life threatening substance is just like comparing Charles Manson to Bozo the Clown.

It's overdoing things more than a wee bit for no good reason.

We get it, you're not happy with the game. Please, do us all AND yourself a favor and just move on?

good god.......another one.........sigh....here we go......its about ignoring information passed down by people just because someone who disagrees with them tells you to do the opposite. The product is defective. period. and all your hate for people who post awareness isn't going to change that fact.

So he tells someone to try it out for themselves. lets say they do and turns out they hate it too. do they get their money back? nope. but then does he care or have any responsibility? nope.

Is the light starting to brighten? or do you require additional assistance?