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Veteran Rank players at low level Anchors
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✭✭I want to thank the OP for raising this issue. I'm a VR12, and I was running the low level dolmens to improve my odds of encountering the Generals I was missing for the Dark Anchor achievements. To be clear, I cleared every dolmen in the game, 2/3 of them in Vet areas. I did many of the Vet dolmens repeatedly, hoping for the Generals. But after hitting 250 dolmen and still missing 5 Generals, it seemed clear I had a better chance of success in low levels due to game mechanics. I did not really think about the impact I was having on low level characters until I read this post. Since then, I have stood back and healed unless I was alone at the dolmen. Even in those cases, I stopped fighting and started healing if other players showed up. I managed to get the last Generals relatively quickly and gain the title/dye while doing mostly healing. Again, OP, your point was well made, so thank you. Of course, there will be Vets out there for the achievement who either don't care, or maybe, like me, are just into the game and are really not aware of the impact their game-play is having. We don't live in a perfect world, so how can we expect anything different from the players in this game.
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭232 anchors right now , took me 224 to get all generals.
I did pretty much all of them after the 60+- mark on low lvl zones.
Just more 18 for me :P.
PS: These achivs are HELL to get , just like some other. We should all get skill points for this stuff lols.Edited by Nox_Aeterna on August 24, 2014 2:47PM"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Morana✭✭✭I would just like to say thank you to the high VR's who are considerate of the appropriately leveled characters at the dolman. I love it when you are there to help and heal while we ALL work on advancing our achievements.2 -
Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭Being an [snip] has become a high art. I don't even want to imagine what the situation would be if ESO was a F2P game instead of requiring a monthly sub (and supposedly sporting an 'adult", "mature", "more considerate" player base).
Instead of that... for months now, and a lot more after the dyes kicked in (yeah sure... achievements), the usual attitude commonly seen is: "[snip] all, I want MY achievements, lowbies can just [snip] off (even if they are playing in areas relevant to THEIR level)". Just awesome.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on August 27, 2014 1:08AM3 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People are chasing Achievements to unlock dies. However most of higher ranks do in fact stand back and let the lower level people have fun. I just did one where I was a L46 in Auridon. I Impulsed the Cultists, then stood back and let everyone else have the fight, spitting a few fireballs from my staff every once in a while if someone is getting ganged up on.
You might even send out Say or a Zone or even just whisper. Ask them to let you have most of the fight. All you need is one hit or heal during the fight to get credit for the Dolmen. No kills are needed. So, they more than likely would stand down other than a few spells so they get credit. I know I would if asked. I mean it's not that much fun to faceroll a Dolmen, but the Achievements are nice.
Or, you can wait about 15 minutes until the Dolmen comes up again...
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✭✭Classic example of why my signature is true.
True, I only chase achievements if I like the dye, I never chased them before the dyes.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭I do appreciate the fact that some VR players are considerate of the lower level players. Thank you to those who do act like reasonable adults and let the lower level people have some fun too.
I go to the anchors not only to up my Fighter's Guild but because they're fun, they can be one of the few challenges left in ESO besides world bosses where you have to fight hard, the rest of its generally been nerfed too much. I love going to them and fighting to within an inch of your life, getting a few seconds to heal/be healed then tossed back into the fight. I don't even mind dying because it reminds me I can't steamroll everything.
When a VR player show up who is intent on killing everything it reduces the lower level players to running around hoping to hit something...anything before its dead. I tried to ask one guy recently to please not kill everything when I saw him at the third anchor in a row he said, "Just come back later when I'm not here." I tried to explain that there is no later most of the time, that there was almost always some VR player at the anchors doing the same thing he was. He replied with, "QQ don't care not my problem." The argument of just waiting to do them later doesn't take into account that there are many VR players trying to get the achievement s. One or two VR players leave, more come to take their place, some are decent about how they act some don't care that after having everything at an anchor wiped out time and time again starts to feel more like griefing than anything else.
Please if you are going to do anchors in low level zones be considerate of the players who "live" in that zone. Its like this...if a low level player went to a VR zone (if they could) you wouldn't want them crapping all over your carpet so why do it to them?
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✭I only use light attack on lowbie anchors if im with others, so I know the lowbies will get xp from killing them.1 -
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This, always do it then I'm solo, same for waiting with killing bosses if I see someone comes running. It however breaks down if its a group doing the anchors but its not much different than if an huge leveled group do it.Artemiisia wrote: »I only use light attack on lowbie anchors if im with others, so I know the lowbies will get xp from killing them.Grinding just make you go in circles.
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭Having farmed dolmens for the achievement(s) I only had one low level ever complain directly to me and it was simply a matter of slotting heals and letting the level 24 have his fun. We're not there to ruin your life, the achievement is probably causing the rank 12 some serious grief.
It took me 12 hours to farm my last general, 12 hours of running to the same 3 dolmens and spawning the same 2 bosses, over 20 times mind you. The 'random' nature wasn't fun at all, I even managed to get the 'destroy 250 dolmens' achievement hours before my final boss spawned. That being said I can only shrug. If they made it so generals had an increased chance of spawning in the rank 1-5 zones and a further increased chance from the 5-10 zones things might change but until that actually happens this will continue to occur.
Edited by The_Sadist on August 25, 2014 12:02PM"Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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SoulScream✭✭✭✭✭I have stopped at a few low level dolmens with my vr12 and I just heal or nuke a mob no one is on atm. Seems obvious..0 -
GnatB✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
I find that extremely hard to believe. There are a ton of other games out there. You can't possibly have played them all. If/when I run out of real content to do, I put the subscription on hold, (if it's going to be a while before new content) and go do other things. At least some of them have to be more fun than the inanity that is farming low level dolmens, looking for random roadside NPC encounters, going fishing, etc. etc.
(admittedly, I do other things all along, so it's *extremely* rare that I actually run out of real content)Achievements Suck2 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
I find that extremely hard to believe. There are a ton of other games out there. You can't possibly have played them all. If/when I run out of real content to do, I put the subscription on hold, (if it's going to be a while before new content) and go do other things. At least some of them have to be more fun than the inanity that is farming low level dolmens, looking for random roadside NPC encounters, going fishing, etc. etc.
(admittedly, I do other things all along, so it's *extremely* rare that I actually run out of real content)
Well ofc, i meant in ESO , there are many great games being launched all the time , im currently also playing that Divinity Original Sin.
Man that game is awesome or maybe it is just that im old and missed a game like this.
And i have many others on the list also after that."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Krinaman✭✭✭Didn't read all the responses but a workaround to the OP's problem is to heal the vets at the dolman. Grab a resto staff drop 1 point in healing springs. You will get credit for everything they kill.
Granted it might not be the ideal solution but it's better than nothing.2 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Hmmm and here I was thinking I was being helpful bringing along my VR3 Templar to heal you when 2 or 3 fools start engaging the mobs and getting killed. I'll just let you die then.
For real. When I grind a levelled dolmen for the achievment now, I throw down a igneous weapons and blood altar and then hold block. Guess I should just see to my own satisfaction and let the newbs eat cake?
Edited by apostate9 on August 25, 2014 5:05PM1 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭
Well, that didn't sound condescending at all!Hmmm and here I was thinking I was being helpful bringing along my VR3 Templar to heal you when 2 or 3 fools start engaging the mobs and getting killed. I'll just let you die then.
Never realized that the only way i can do level correct dolmens is with a VR samaritan healer watching my back ...
The whole thread is condescending, his remarks were as germane as anyone else's. Some people do have difficult with the dolmens, and yes the vets have as much right to them as you do, we paid for them too.
So which is it? Are low-levelled players entitled to exclusive access to certain dolmens? Because if you think so, that is pretty snotty. We all pay to access the content, dolmens are first-come first served, dot. If you don't own the dolmens in your zone, then you really are being done a favor when he throws down heals, so don't act like it isn't classy play that benefits you...because it is.
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Stonesthrow✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Usually i just heal when the low lvl player are fighting , my heals pretty much make them immortal and i always get credit :P.
Same here…
5 Generals and 75 Dolmens to go…
No reason to be a weenie at a dolmen folks!Edited by Stonesthrow on August 25, 2014 5:20PM2 -
MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭
The point is that (and you really should have got this from the OP) so many VR12s are nuking the Anchors so fast that the folks who are level-appropriate never get a look in. You're strawmanning pretty hard if you think that requesting that over-levelled players heal or dial back their DPS somehow means 'exclusive access'.The whole thread is condescending, his remarks were as germane as anyone else's. Some people do have difficult with the dolmens, and yes the vets have as much right to them as you do, we paid for them too.
So which is it? Are low-levelled players entitled to exclusive access to certain dolmens? Because if you think so, that is pretty snotty. We all pay to access the content, dolmens are first-come first served, dot. If you don't own the dolmens in your zone, then you really are being done a favor when he throws down heals, so don't act like it isn't classy play that benefits you...because it is.I can count to potato.
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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The point is that (and you really should have got this from the OP) so many VR12s are nuking the Anchors so fast that the folks who are level-appropriate never get a look in. You're strawmanning pretty hard if you think that requesting that over-levelled players heal or dial back their DPS somehow means 'exclusive access'.The whole thread is condescending, his remarks were as germane as anyone else's. Some people do have difficult with the dolmens, and yes the vets have as much right to them as you do, we paid for them too.
So which is it? Are low-levelled players entitled to exclusive access to certain dolmens? Because if you think so, that is pretty snotty. We all pay to access the content, dolmens are first-come first served, dot. If you don't own the dolmens in your zone, then you really are being done a favor when he throws down heals, so don't act like it isn't classy play that benefits you...because it is.
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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And there's hyperbole in action for you ...
The whole thread is condescending, his remarks were as germane as anyone else's. Some people do have difficult with the dolmens, and yes the vets have as much right to them as you do, we paid for them too.
Well, that didn't sound condescending at all!Hmmm and here I was thinking I was being helpful bringing along my VR3 Templar to heal you when 2 or 3 fools start engaging the mobs and getting killed. I'll just let you die then.
Never realized that the only way i can do level correct dolmens is with a VR samaritan healer watching my back ...
So which is it? Are low-levelled players entitled to exclusive access to certain dolmens? Because if you think so, that is pretty snotty. We all pay to access the content, dolmens are first-come first served, dot. If you don't own the dolmens in your zone, then you really are being done a favor when he throws down heals, so don't act like it isn't classy play that benefits you...because it is.
Show me where i actually said that low level players had "exclusive" access to dolmens and i *might* take you seriously.
Until then, please go back and actually take the time to read the posts in this thread.
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✭✭✭✭✭Based on a couple of Generals I have battled in the past few days, I would think that sometimes the lower leveled folks would like some higher levels around if those spawn. Some of those guys are tough.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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apostate9✭✭✭✭✭
And there's hyperbole in action for you ...
The whole thread is condescending, his remarks were as germane as anyone else's. Some people do have difficult with the dolmens, and yes the vets have as much right to them as you do, we paid for them too.
Well, that didn't sound condescending at all!Hmmm and here I was thinking I was being helpful bringing along my VR3 Templar to heal you when 2 or 3 fools start engaging the mobs and getting killed. I'll just let you die then.
Never realized that the only way i can do level correct dolmens is with a VR samaritan healer watching my back ...
So which is it? Are low-levelled players entitled to exclusive access to certain dolmens? Because if you think so, that is pretty snotty. We all pay to access the content, dolmens are first-come first served, dot. If you don't own the dolmens in your zone, then you really are being done a favor when he throws down heals, so don't act like it isn't classy play that benefits you...because it is.
Show me where i actually said that low level players had "exclusive" access to dolmens and i *might* take you seriously.
Until then, please go back and actually take the time to read the posts in this thread.
Hyperbole? You mean like;
?Never realized that the only way i can do level correct dolmens is with a VR samaritan healer watching my back ...
...Because he didn't say that. So yeah, I read the posts, it's just that yours was silly.
Edited by apostate9 on August 25, 2014 6:45PM4 -
aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Finished off my generals achievement over the weekend (I was missing 7 generals and they all spawned rather quickly for me). I would run a circuit in whatever zone I was in because if you are soloing them the spawn times are just about perfect. If I'm in the middle of soloing a dolmen and lowbies show up, I usually just finish what I started.
If I get to a dolmen and there are lowbies already there I'll pull my punches a bit. I have even called out and let the lowbies know why I was there and to let me know if they wanted me to back off. Surprisingly, I've either gotten no response or even one lowbie thinking it was cool to see such a high level player at a dolmen and ask me to kill it as quick as possible. LOL
I'm still way under 250 dolmens, but since I've gotten all my generals, I'll probably solo VR1 dolmens instead so I can get a little loot.1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Based on a couple of Generals I have battled in the past few days, I would think that sometimes the lower leveled folks would like some higher levels around if those spawn. Some of those guys are tough.
In general i can kill them all without a problem in low lvl anchors , but that last titan was something i was not expecting :P.
In the end soloing anchors is nothing major really , soloed the vr10 ones because there was nobody around to do them lols.
And woot btw , already got all the dark anchor achivs here , now doing all the public group ones."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭Show me where i actually said that low level players had "exclusive" access to dolmens and i *might* take you seriously.
Until then, please go back and actually take the time to read the posts in this thread.
Hyperbole? You mean like
?Never realized that the only way i can do level correct dolmens is with a VR samaritan healer watching my back ...
Because he didn't say that. So yeah, I read the posts, it's just that yours was stupid.
Aww man, I love these forums sometimes.
Hyperbole = / = reductio ad absurdum, and the latter was in this case totally warranted, given @UlanX's towering "I'll do whatever I want and you scrubs should thank me" arrogance. That aside though, I'm really confused as to how you feel that pointing out the perceived faults of others somehow negates your own. But please, continue these pathetic attempts to deflect attention rather than actually responding to the substance of the argument.
Edited by MorHawk on August 25, 2014 6:31PMI can count to potato.
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