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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

I voted potato because I think it should have to be the same type as the equipped item in that slot, but otherwise I love appearance slots. Otherwise you take away any ability to see what kind of armor an enemy player actually has equipped.

Seeing someone's armor means nothing. I can be in all light armor and use immovable if I want. I just hate the fact that were forced to wear "X" armor weight to properly fill "x" role.

Example being myself. If I slot 7/7 heavy over my current 7/7 light. Just my spell cost alone is changed enough to force me to wear light armor.

I honestly think the game would be better off if we had the option to pick and choose any 5 of the passives from any armor skill lines and be able to wear whatever weight we wanted. The layout would basically be

- Choose and wear whatever armors you like. Mix and match to your hearts desire.
- Level 2, choose any 1 passive from either 3 lines.
- Level 6, choose any 1 passive from either 3 lines.
- Level 14, choose any 1 passive from either 3 lines.
- Level 38, choose any 1 passive from either 3 lines.
- Level 42, choose any 1 passive from either 3 lines.

Each passive would have a flat, set bonus across the board.

RIFT had a system almost exactly like the one you are proposing. It worked perfectly as well, people could wear the gear they needed to play the game but the addition/visual slot allowed people to make so many variations in their appearance. It really did allow players to make their ideal character visually and you rarely saw two characters looking the same.

It was the only true choice .

Anyway, armor appearance doesn't matter that much to me but I wouldn't object if they started adding in new costumes. If it's just for looks go for it.

As for choosing the passives, not in favor of that idea. It's part of the point of specialization.

Silly options. :P

But there are some nice looking earlier armours, and I would like to have that look later on in the game when I'm wearing statistically better armour (but not aesthetically).

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

I really wonder why any mmo developer would use a system other then appearance slots for customization nowadays, but somehow, they all seem to do.

Because it's a more complex system programmatically to implement and that has a cost, as well as it having a gameplay impact in player vs. player scenarios with target identification and role identification during combat.

As an example of this I can pretty easily tell if someone's wearing a set of Aether robes in light armor and thus know they are aiming for higher spellcrit, or a warlock set which then tells me they will have a longer sustain on their magicka on engagement due to the 5pc proc, as well as other common sets right now and that's within just one armor type. Appearance slots would compromise that completely, and if you allow different armor types across appearance slots from what the person is actually wearing that just eliminates an aspect of skill available in PVP fighting completely at that point.

Not everyone plays at a level where they care about these factors, but just because you may or may not, doesn't mean they aren't there.

The issue here is PvP. I actually supported costume slots for a while but I respect the counter argument that in PvP you need to be able to look quickly and know what you're up against. I think the eye system is a perfect compromise to let you make armor look the way you want.

If you really want to be a heavy armor Mage though at the end of the day the passive aren't so crazy that they would gimp your character unless you're playing a lot of PvP.

As long as the cosmetically applied armor is disabled in PvP, sure!

I can see reason for and against this , so i will not vote for or against it , since personally i dont have a preference in this.

Another game I used to play allows for cosmetic outfits to override you armor visually. You can make up an outfit with any piece of armor of any type, as they have a wardrobe component to the vault system where they can be stored and any char on your account can access what is in the wardrobe to cosmetically wear it. The feature is visually diabled upon entering PvP however, so the only thing visible out there was your actual armor.

GnatB wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Because it's a more complex system programmatically to implement and that has a cost, as well as it having a gameplay impact in player vs. player scenarios with target identification and role identification during combat.

I have to strongly disagree. I can't remember the last game I played that didn't have some sort of costume system, (so the PvP impact is already there. Edit: Including here in ESO. Last I checked the costume slot in ESO still functioned in PvP. So the whole "Identification" argument has already been lost.) *and* tend to be far more complicated to implement to boot. The second set of slots implementation is probably just about the EASIEST option to implement. Most of it is just cut 'n paste, with the appearance logic being based on the costume slot with the regular slot as a fallback. Easy Peasy.

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

I really wonder why any mmo developer would use a system other then appearance slots for customization nowadays, but somehow, they all seem to do.

Call me cynical, but my bet is on Monetization. Appearance slots functionality is far harder to monetize than most of the other methods I've seen, whether that is real money monetization (SW:TOR, just about every F2P game I've ever played) or in-game cash sink (WoW)

I don't know what games you have played but that's completely irrelevant and out subscription games do not use costume slots in pvp. ESO has a handful of quest items allowed there that probably shouldn't be but saying "well there's already a small problem so let's just make t gigantic!" is absurd as a fix.

And if you think qa'ing a full costume system with bug fixes and a whole interface rollout into an mmo service is as simple as copying ad pasting item slots in Microsoft paint. . .. I don't even need to say I assume, but can definitely say you have never touched any development work in your life and have no idea of what it entails.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

I really wonder why any mmo developer would use a system other then appearance slots for customization nowadays, but somehow, they all seem to do.

Because it's a more complex system programmatically to implement and that has a cost, as well as it having a gameplay impact in player vs. player scenarios with target identification and role identification during combat.

As an example of this I can pretty easily tell if someone's wearing a set of Aether robes in light armor and thus know they are aiming for higher spellcrit, or a warlock set which then tells me they will have a longer sustain on their magicka on engagement due to the 5pc proc, as well as other common sets right now and that's within just one armor type. Appearance slots would compromise that completely, and if you allow different armor types across appearance slots from what the person is actually wearing that just eliminates an aspect of skill available in PVP fighting completely at that point.

Not everyone plays at a level where they care about these factors, but just because you may or may not, doesn't mean they aren't there.

No offense but seeing someone's armor in pvp means nothing. You can still wear a costume already so that itself makes your argument irrelevant. Plus within the first cast of a skill you should know your enemies makeup and being able to see their weapons you can also sum up what their going to bring to the table.

Being a Mage in 7/7 heavy armor makes a huge difference from 7/7 light with spell protection, spell crit, magicka recovery and te biggest being magicka cost reduction. So ppl are forced into light armor just because they like to play a caster. Where's the play how you want of that?

The play how you want is to play a caster. That has zilch to do with costume slots, and if you're saying wait until the first cast to identify targets then you fall under the "can't make use of the information" category I described before. Not everyone can and that's fine but some of us can and do have to skill to do so precombat.

Lmao glad you think you can determine my skill level from a forum post mr/mrs elitist. The biggest tell in someones build is the weapon they wield, not their armor/costume. So please contain your "ego" and keep the discussion civil and stop trying to flame someone you know nothing about.

And play how you want means everything from armor slot to weapon slots to how you want to build your class. Which I think should've been done entirely different but that's a different discussion all together.

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

I really wonder why any mmo developer would use a system other then appearance slots for customization nowadays, but somehow, they all seem to do.

Because it's a more complex system programmatically to implement and that has a cost, as well as it having a gameplay impact in player vs. player scenarios with target identification and role identification during combat.

As an example of this I can pretty easily tell if someone's wearing a set of Aether robes in light armor and thus know they are aiming for higher spellcrit, or a warlock set which then tells me they will have a longer sustain on their magicka on engagement due to the 5pc proc, as well as other common sets right now and that's within just one armor type. Appearance slots would compromise that completely, and if you allow different armor types across appearance slots from what the person is actually wearing that just eliminates an aspect of skill available in PVP fighting completely at that point.

Not everyone plays at a level where they care about these factors, but just because you may or may not, doesn't mean they aren't there.

No offense but seeing someone's armor in pvp means nothing. You can still wear a costume already so that itself makes your argument irrelevant. Plus within the first cast of a skill you should know your enemies makeup and being able to see their weapons you can also sum up what their going to bring to the table.

Being a Mage in 7/7 heavy armor makes a huge difference from 7/7 light with spell protection, spell crit, magicka recovery and te biggest being magicka cost reduction. So ppl are forced into light armor just because they like to play a caster. Where's the play how you want of that?

The play how you want is to play a caster. That has zilch to do with costume slots, and if you're saying wait until the first cast to identify targets then you fall under the "can't make use of the information" category I described before. Not everyone can and that's fine but some of us can and do have to skill to do so precombat.

Lmao glad you think you can determine my skill level from a forum post mr/mrs elitist. The biggest tell in someones build is the weapon they wield, not their armor/costume. So please contain your "ego" and keep the discussion civil and stop trying to flame someone you know nothing about.

And play how you want means everything from armor slot to weapon slots to how you want to build your class. Which I think should've been done entirely different but that's a different discussion all together.

It's got nothing to do with ego, I'm sorry you're taking it as some kind of "flame" as you're calling it because that is not how it was written, intended, or stated so I have no idea where you are pulling that or any kind of "elitist" thing from except to try to bolster your argument by acting defensive. I have been perfectly civil and find it rather offensive that you are ignoring anything being said like that.

Knowing what type of build someone is likely to be before engaging is something that skilled players can take advantage of (fact) when entering a fight in PVP. You may not think it's important but it is. All the weapon does is tell you a part of what their overall gear does. It is the exact same skill to figure the rest of their likely build off of their positioning, armor type, and identifying certain sets immediately when engaging if it's a smaller encounter, as it is to use just the weapon to do so. Take the argument you're making the rest of the way and you arrive at exactly what I'm stating.

As far as "play how you want" that is what you choose to play: you can choose to be a melee caster, a physical melee'r, a ranged physical, ranged caster, a healer, a tank, or any combo in-between. Whether the combo you choose is a strong combination is another matter all together.

Theosis wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't mind but player housing is higher on my list of wants.

/drool, I look forward to that day...

I think that if you have it so you can apply a different looking piece of gear but of the same type, that would resolve the pvp argument.
Light armor = different styled light armor, etc

Or if we could just change the style, similar to the 'conver to imperial' feature. Using learned motifs of course