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Champion system and VR zones
Ragefist
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I occurred to me that it wasnt said what will happen to VR zones with introduction of the new champion system.
Will it be challenging once more? And if it is revamped, could my VR character do it again? Despite I finished most of quests in there?
Will it be challenging once more? And if it is revamped, could my VR character do it again? Despite I finished most of quests in there?
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I occurred to me that it wasnt said what will happen to VR zones with introduction of the new champion system.
Will it be challenging once more? And if it is revamped, could my VR character do it again? Despite I finished most of quests in there?
No they haven't said but I doubt they are going to just take away be able to do the other factions stories. I believe the champion system is just making it easier to level and give you more options. So if you want to only level in PVP you can but you can also still level in PVE. Or just grind.0 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't think it will be more challenging, they will just reward you in a different way.
Today all you get is a Rank after a long amount of time and an increase in the soft caps. The XP that you get means nothing except how much further the next Rank is.
In future the VR will still be there but based on the XP you gained, points will be come available. Those points can then be used by any char as its account wide.
As far I understood they will tweak how XP is gained so that you will get XP all the time even if you just adventure, craft or do a quest.
If you can redo it? I don't think so but you should get the champion points based on your VR.0 -
frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭From the sound of it if they get rid of veteran levels...then that means you probably get the choice to either continue on Caldwells quests to explore the other zones, get skyshards, play that content, or go right into Craglorn content. In all tense and purpose once vet levels are gone, were all level 50 again. We just get perk points to unlock stuff, like in Skyrim. So this becomes like any normal MMO, beat the story go to the next area which is Craglorn and start gaining champion points.0 -
Ragefist✭✭✭✭Well, technically speaking I would be able to do it again, since champion points are account wide, my lvl50 will have access to them and still be able to start Cadwells Madness
I'm still curious how difficulty will be handled tho. There still might be some scaling of monsters along with gear scaling. Like your everyday wowclone does0 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have a thread in the PTS forum asking about this and the answers I received were mixed results. From what I gathered, Veteran ranks as a number stays on each individual character so you still need to get them to Veteran XX to equip the different tiered equipment and so on, basically nothing there changes. What the Champion system will do is give you separate bonus skill line that uses up Champion points instead of skill points that become available at VR1 for each character, the number of points you have is equal to how many veteran ranks you have accumulated across all your characters.1 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I have a thread in the PTS forum asking about this and the answers I received were mixed results. From what I gathered, Veteran ranks as a number stays on each individual character so you still need to get them to Veteran XX to equip the different tiered equipment and so on, basically nothing there changes. What the Champion system will do is give you separate bonus skill line that uses up Champion points instead of skill points that become available at VR1 for each character, the number of points you have is equal to how many veteran ranks you have accumulated across all your characters.
Correct, this is also what I believe will happen based on Quakecon panels and Interviews. They wont remove VR but give us actual rewards for it.
That said it can still change a lot, I honestly don't expect the Champion System to go live before late 2014 or even early 2015.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I have a thread in the PTS forum asking about this and the answers I received were mixed results. From what I gathered, Veteran ranks as a number stays on each individual character so you still need to get them to Veteran XX to equip the different tiered equipment and so on, basically nothing there changes. What the Champion system will do is give you separate bonus skill line that uses up Champion points instead of skill points that become available at VR1 for each character, the number of points you have is equal to how many veteran ranks you have accumulated across all your characters.
Correct, this is also what I believe will happen based on Quakecon panels and Interviews. They wont remove VR but give us actual rewards for it.
That said it can still change a lot, I honestly don't expect the Champion System to go live before late 2014 or even early 2015.
This has been debated and it was cleared up in previous thread. VR is going away in stage 3. In stage two and one it still exists. Eventually it will be nixed completely, however.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I have a thread in the PTS forum asking about this and the answers I received were mixed results. From what I gathered, Veteran ranks as a number stays on each individual character so you still need to get them to Veteran XX to equip the different tiered equipment and so on, basically nothing there changes. What the Champion system will do is give you separate bonus skill line that uses up Champion points instead of skill points that become available at VR1 for each character, the number of points you have is equal to how many veteran ranks you have accumulated across all your characters.
Correct, this is also what I believe will happen based on Quakecon panels and Interviews. They wont remove VR but give us actual rewards for it.
That said it can still change a lot, I honestly don't expect the Champion System to go live before late 2014 or even early 2015.
This has been debated and it was cleared up in previous thread. VR is going away in stage 3. In stage two and one it still exists. Eventually it will be nixed completely, however.
Could you please post a link to an official reply about that matter? Because at Quakecon they said something totally different.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I have a thread in the PTS forum asking about this and the answers I received were mixed results. From what I gathered, Veteran ranks as a number stays on each individual character so you still need to get them to Veteran XX to equip the different tiered equipment and so on, basically nothing there changes. What the Champion system will do is give you separate bonus skill line that uses up Champion points instead of skill points that become available at VR1 for each character, the number of points you have is equal to how many veteran ranks you have accumulated across all your characters.
Correct, this is also what I believe will happen based on Quakecon panels and Interviews. They wont remove VR but give us actual rewards for it.
That said it can still change a lot, I honestly don't expect the Champion System to go live before late 2014 or even early 2015.
This has been debated and it was cleared up in previous thread. VR is going away in stage 3. In stage two and one it still exists. Eventually it will be nixed completely, however.
Could you please post a link to an official reply about that matter? Because at Quakecon they said something totally different.
They were talking about phase two at Quakecon. This was driven into the ground on the previous thread, and now I suspect it's going to have to be linked about a billion times. Let me go hunt down the thread I guess.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Please post links to where it says that phase three removes veteran ranks.
Oh my Stendarr...
Here is a copy-paste of my post in the thread from less than 24 hours ago that deals in the two most pertinent direct quotes regarding the system:
Reading is your friend, everyone. If people had actually read the full text of the interview and the full text of this thread, there wouldn't be questions.
The interview:We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently
The second phase. Second phase. Second. Phase.
In prior interviews, they were clear about the transition being a three-step process, with phase 3 being the introduction of the Champion System.
Now, regarding the Champion System:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.
Everyone clear now?
Phase 3 is the introduction of the Champion System is the elimination/conversion of VR levels. Paul Sage was never talking about that in the interview paragraph that started this whole mess.
this is one of the posts commenting on it, you can travel to the thread from there and see the entire discussion with some screenshots of comments elsewhere from a twitch feed or something.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
felinith66✭✭✭What happens to the crafting materials? Do they all become level 50? So for the whole VR zone there will only be one type of lvl 50 node for each crafting profession? Same as enchanting?0 -
felinith66✭✭✭Also, once they roll out phase 3 and get rid of VR system, are the armor sets and weapons you're using gonna roll back to level 50? Including stat-wise? How do they determine the tiers for seasonal gear if there is no ranking and everyone is level 50? The total number of champion points you have?0
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goof questions, none of which they have answered yet. The quote mentions saying more when they get closer to that.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
felinith66✭✭✭It seems that seasonal gear will have no level requirements. The question then becomes how good will they be compared to crafted gear? If they are better then everyone would be wearing them. So what would be the point of crafting, then? If not, then what would be the point of seasonal gear? Or is seasonal gear going to be crafted gear from special materials that drop from dungeons/trials?0
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Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Please post links to where it says that phase three removes veteran ranks.
Oh my Stendarr...
Here is a copy-paste of my post in the thread from less than 24 hours ago that deals in the two most pertinent direct quotes regarding the system:
Reading is your friend, everyone. If people had actually read the full text of the interview and the full text of this thread, there wouldn't be questions.
The interview:We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently
The second phase. Second phase. Second. Phase.
In prior interviews, they were clear about the transition being a three-step process, with phase 3 being the introduction of the Champion System.
Now, regarding the Champion System:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.
Everyone clear now?
Phase 3 is the introduction of the Champion System is the elimination/conversion of VR levels. Paul Sage was never talking about that in the interview paragraph that started this whole mess.
this is one of the posts commenting on it, you can travel to the thread from there and see the entire discussion with some screenshots of comments elsewhere from a twitch feed or something.
Thanks for posting this, Ginas response was from the end of July which was after Quakecon so I guess they changed their mind in that one week.
This however makes it questionable why VR 16 is supposed to be coming with the new AVs later that year.
Honestly I am not fully convinced yet as Paul was determine to point out that they only remove the VR points and not the ranks and a VR 16 vid was shown a while ago as well. Oh well, I guess we will see what happens in a few months.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Please post links to where it says that phase three removes veteran ranks.
Oh my Stendarr...
Here is a copy-paste of my post in the thread from less than 24 hours ago that deals in the two most pertinent direct quotes regarding the system:
Reading is your friend, everyone. If people had actually read the full text of the interview and the full text of this thread, there wouldn't be questions.
The interview:We are going to get rid of Veteran points - Veteran ranks are going to be gained through experience point gain. That means instead of going through and having to worry about whether you're gaining Veteran points in this way you'll have a very predictable path and actually faster path through your Veteran ranks. That's the second phase and also coming in that phase - and very important - is the fact that you'll get bonus experience. If you haven't played for awhile -say you haven't played for 20 hours or something like that you'll get a bonus to the experience gains you get and the reasons were doing this is to help you stay in sync with your friends who might play more than you do - so we're adding a bonus for people who don't play as frequently
The second phase. Second phase. Second. Phase.
In prior interviews, they were clear about the transition being a three-step process, with phase 3 being the introduction of the Champion System.
Now, regarding the Champion System:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.
Everyone clear now?
Phase 3 is the introduction of the Champion System is the elimination/conversion of VR levels. Paul Sage was never talking about that in the interview paragraph that started this whole mess.
this is one of the posts commenting on it, you can travel to the thread from there and see the entire discussion with some screenshots of comments elsewhere from a twitch feed or something.
Thanks for posting this, Ginas response was from the end of July which was after Quakecon so I guess they changed their mind in that one week.
This however makes it questionable why VR 16 is supposed to be coming with the new AVs later that year.
Honestly I am not fully convinced yet as Paul was determine to point out that they only remove the VR points and not the ranks and a VR 16 vid was shown a while ago as well. Oh well, I guess we will see what happens in a few months.
They didn't change their mind. At Quakecon, Paul was referring to phase two. Previous to that post in the thread there are some more links and some screenshots I think that also cover that.
AFAIK they will continue to raise the vr cap for now. I don't like it but since it will eventually go away I will cope.
You'll notice in the most recent road ahead they talk about phase two also. I don't think phase three is fleshed out enough for them to really discuss it too much, there's a lot of unanswered questions. All that seems to be there is champion system going in and vr level going out.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Ragefist✭✭✭✭Agreed with Smee. The way I understand it its the plan to spread the change over 4 patches, but might take more if they are not ready. And I am perfectly fine with as its the way it should be done.
The Quakecon presentation was really awesome in sense of seeing how ZOS works on many different projects simultaneously and its obvious some will take time to be fully fleshed out. Like the guy with facial animations: "we got the stuff done, so just couple of monts of testing and production"
Kudos to ZOS for delivering. Its not as easy as it seems and they do a hard job to keep up their word with updates.0