YES!!! Disco ball is being fixed!!! Wait, what?

Smiteye · August 2014

I have a health condition that causes me to feel ill and nauseous in some videogames (as well as in other situations in real life) when they have a low FOV and I can't move the camera. I love eso... I've submitted feedback even contacted a CSR during BETA last year to ask for them to fix the problems with the game's camera, and was told it would be passed along. I bought the imperial edition at launch. And I've barely been able to play compared to what I want to play as time goes because they haven't fixed this yet.

Why is it that people complain about the so-called disco ball for a week and it gets fixed with an immediate dev reply? Is it because they said they'd contact the fcc for a busted product if you didn't and I was polite about it? Is it because they spammed the forums about it and I didn't, instead just making one post and letting it go from there? Maybe because I didn't threaten to unsubscribe like they did?

Please for the love of Stendarr or Akatosh or whatever god you guys prefer, fix the third-person field of view, let us center the camera, and allow us to zoom out further already. Ive seen tons of threads about it over time. No reply. Nothing. Just disco balls being fixed after a week of a handful of people complaining. I guess I need to stomp my feet more... heres my post. All this time later and I only have about 40 hours played and vr1 because they refuse to even acknowledge the problems with the games camera. Don't believe me, look at my user id number: I played last year, and bought at launch on faith that theyd fix it because it's a simple thing to do. They still havent, all this time later. I'm sick of being motion sick trying to play a game I love.

michaelb14a_ESO2 · August 2014

I feel for you mate, I really do. I think it has more to do with how "easy" the ball fix really is/was to implement.

While your particular situation sucks to be sure, I think what makes it worse is that going the route of being polite, submitting tickets and doing it the "right" way doesn't even get acknowledgment... which alone would go really far.

Good luck brosky,

p.s @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ comon', throw this guy a bone...

Aenra · August 2014

some people managed to find a reasonable argument to go aghainst this!

namely, rogues in PvP being unable to "see" the buff..

they ---neglect--- however to mention that there already IS an icon for non plaing characters for this..ever seen that red eye icon atop NPC heads? Means they can see through stealth.

they could add this to PCs (us) and make the YMCA tribute optional. You like it? Keep it on, you don't? Off it goes.

everyone wins..

Auric_ESO · August 2014

some people have been complaining about this for 4 months, not a week. and maybe its a darn sight easier to fix that fov/camera issues. That is ALOT harder. And I mean alot, not just a few variables

Smiteye · August 2014

Thanks for the supportive comments guys. I wrote this post pretty frustrated, and I know it shows... but I really would like to know any kind of info about what they will or won't do

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Zarman · August 2014

Whats wrong with the camera/ FOV settings they have?

Ojustaboo · August 2014

While I sympathise with your situation, I have been complaining about the disco ball giving me migraines since the first time I used it, months, and many others have too.

PBpsy · August 2014

Smiteye wrote: »

Why is it that people complain about the so-called disco ball for a week and it gets fixed with an immediate dev reply? Is it because they said they'd contact the fcc for a busted product if you didn't and I was polite about it? Is it because they spammed the forums about it and I didn't, instead just making one post and letting it go from there? Maybe because I didn't threaten to unsubscribe like they did?

You haven't been here long , have you? You didn't do a search either. There are I think at least a dozen threads and polls and whatnot about Inner light since release. This is the first time they even acknowledge that people do not like the freaking ball. It was however not fixed they just made they will just make the balls smaller. ...and they added many more spinning balls for some set bonuses. I almost think they are trolling us.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Auric_ESO wrote: »

some people have been complaining about this for 4 months, not a week. and maybe its a darn sight easier to fix that fov/camera issues. That is ALOT harder. And I mean alot, not just a few variables

It can't be that hard considering unofficial tools like ESO Launcher by Sorien on Tamriel Foundry have found it is a simple variable loaded in memory and are able to edit it (for max zoom distance and third-person fov at least) the same as they had been able to do first-person fov before a slider was added.

@Smiteye has a user ID of 65474. I have played since the July 2013 cyrodiil test and mine is 24069. Your user ID, Auric, is in the 2 million range and they are sequential on forum account creation. So yeah, he's been around awhile whether or not he had seen complaints about the mage light orb I'd say...

I actually submitted feedback to the same effect during beta myself because a relative had been having problems due to the low FOV after they nerfed the max camera zoom distance. She's only just now starting to play the live game because I kept talking about how much I like it all the time to her and is hoping it'll be ok enough at this point but that remains to be seen. So I definitely am behind wanting this stuff fixed 100%.

Here's a thread I made outlining the issues pretty concisely a few months ago, but I've been posting about it and submitting feedback for about a year myself through the forums, in-game, and asking it through some other contacts:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/108058/good-first-person-is-getting-some-help-but-what-about-third-person-we-ve-needed-fixes-too

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Zarman wrote: »

Whats wrong with the camera/ FOV settings they have?

I can't speak for the OP but in a family member's case the camera being off-center feels awkward enough to bother her, and the FOV/zoom distance are low enough that it's like looking through the screen with blinders on in terms of feeling from what she had told me awhile back. Personally I preferred the higher zoom distance that used to be allowed during beta but it doesn't make me feel off, it just is annoying to me. I guess the bottom line is if they are willing to fix a spell effect for people, why not allow for a handful of camera tweaks that most games have options for anyway if it's affecting people?

Sindala · August 2014

As far as I can remember the camera has always been 'off centre' in ES games (once tech allowed it to be).
It's is a vast undertaking to move the field of view now the game is released and would take ALOT of resources to do, unfortunately only a small minority have asked for this so it's likely to never happen because of the work needed to re-write atleast half the code of the game.

Have you tried playing using just the POV camera.
Also i'd suggest buying a new monitor as it sounds like your suffering from low fps flicker which causes nausea and epilepsy.
Perhaps even an eye test and let the person doing it know its for Monitor use.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

@Sindala, they did a slider for first-person FOV which is literally a single variable value. It would be the exact same effort (which is extremely little) to add a slider for the third-person FOV and one for the maximum zoom distance from your character, similarly. It's easy enough and controlled by so little that it can be edited with a simple pattern in memory by tools on the user end even, but it's unclear if that falls within the TOS or not. The best option is for a slider in-game regardless

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technohic · August 2014

I too would like larger field of view but I'm not into the "why do they get their stuff but I don't get mine" complaint.

To some extent, I wonder if they do not give a further back view on 3rd person in order to not make it even more of an advantage over 1st person that it already is, but I'm not sure that could be serious. It already is and advantage even if the camera is so close, you can only see an attacker come in a split second before they are on you.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

isn't there a program that fixes the FOV problem... umm...

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

purple-magicb16_ESO · August 2014

Thot they fixed this with fov slider. No? I never checked it after patch release so I don't know for sure.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb10oX29qMc

Smiteye · August 2014

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Thot they fixed this with fov slider. No? I never checked it after patch release so I don't know for sure.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb10oX29qMc

Unfortunately they only did for first-person view, not third-person.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

isn't there a program that fixes the FOV problem... umm...

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

That's made by a third-party and could get me banned or just keylogged. I used it once and then changed my password after, to determine that the FOV setting would make the game playable for me, recently though which is why I made this thread

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technohic wrote: »

I too would like larger field of view but I'm not into the "why do they get their stuff but I don't get mine" complaint.

To some extent, I wonder if they do not give a further back view on 3rd person in order to not make it even more of an advantage over 1st person that it already is, but I'm not sure that could be serious. It already is and advantage even if the camera is so close, you can only see an attacker come in a split second before they are on you.

I can sort of get that for the zoom distance though they used to let us zoom out further, in the first place. Field of View though they put in for first-person just not third. And I know the post came off frustrated... sorry but I was

, that is why I posted in my first reply to say that I know it didn't come off very well.

Sindala wrote: »

As far as I can remember the camera has always been 'off centre' in ES games (once tech allowed it to be).
It's is a vast undertaking to move the field of view now the game is released and would take ALOT of resources to do, unfortunately only a small minority have asked for this so it's likely to never happen because of the work needed to re-write atleast half the code of the game.

Have you tried playing using just the POV camera.
Also i'd suggest buying a new monitor as it sounds like your suffering from low fps flicker which causes nausea and epilepsy.
Perhaps even an eye test and let the person doing it know its for Monitor use.

I appreciate the thoughtful advice... I'm on a pretty new monitor that's a 24" LCD and run at 60fps always since I lower the settings a bit to make sure the framerate does not dip. I dont know how involved making another slider for thirdperson like they did firstperson would be but I dont think it would be too hard from what I have seen and given that third-party tool linked above by smeeprocket. I'm just hoping since they fixed things affecting similar numbers of people like the mage orb, that maybe this thread will be seen by them and they'll finally change it to allow the options that would let me play a lot more often.

dsalter · August 2014

Smiteye wrote: »

stuff from first OP post

just for informations sake, they complained for well over a month and a half.

purple-magicb16_ESO · August 2014

Smiteye wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Thot they fixed this with fov slider. No? I never checked it after patch release so I don't know for sure.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb10oX29qMc

Unfortunately they only did for first-person view, not third-person.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

isn't there a program that fixes the FOV problem... umm...

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

That's made by a third-party and could get me banned or just keylogged. I used it once and then changed my password after, to determine that the FOV setting would make the game playable for me, recently though which is why I made this thread .

technohic wrote: »

I too would like larger field of view but I'm not into the "why do they get their stuff but I don't get mine" complaint.

To some extent, I wonder if they do not give a further back view on 3rd person in order to not make it even more of an advantage over 1st person that it already is, but I'm not sure that could be serious. It already is and advantage even if the camera is so close, you can only see an attacker come in a split second before they are on you.

I can sort of get that for the zoom distance though they used to let us zoom out further, in the first place. Field of View though they put in for first-person just not third. And I know the post came off frustrated... sorry but I was , that is why I posted in my first reply to say that I know it didn't come off very well.

Sindala wrote: »

As far as I can remember the camera has always been 'off centre' in ES games (once tech allowed it to be).
It's is a vast undertaking to move the field of view now the game is released and would take ALOT of resources to do, unfortunately only a small minority have asked for this so it's likely to never happen because of the work needed to re-write atleast half the code of the game.

Have you tried playing using just the POV camera.
Also i'd suggest buying a new monitor as it sounds like your suffering from low fps flicker which causes nausea and epilepsy.
Perhaps even an eye test and let the person doing it know its for Monitor use.

I appreciate the thoughtful advice... I'm on a pretty new monitor that's a 24" LCD and run at 60fps always since I lower the settings a bit to make sure the framerate does not dip. I dont know how involved making another slider for thirdperson like they did firstperson would be but I dont think it would be too hard from what I have seen and given that third-party tool linked above by smeeprocket. I'm just hoping since they fixed things affecting similar numbers of people like the mage orb, that maybe this thread will be seen by them and they'll finally change it to allow the options that would let me play a lot

Ok. Maybe there was some confusion as to exactly what needed to be fixed and how. This notwithstanding, I am in full support of fixing the 3rd person view too. Need more view options not just for people with these kinds of issues but also "over the shoulder" view is not everyone's top choice for viewing and really can affect quality of play.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

dsalter wrote: »

Smiteye wrote: »

stuff from first OP post

just for informations sake, they complained for well over a month and a half.

I don't think length of time complaining has much to do with the validity of a complaint, but if you want to go by that, I myself have complained about this for well over 12 months, which would mean my complaint is 8x more valid I guess? /sarcasm

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Ok. Maybe there was some confusion as to exactly what needed to be fixed and how. This notwithstanding, I am in full support of fixing the 3rd person view too. Need more view options not just for people with these kinds of issues but also "over the shoulder" view is not everyone's top choice for viewing and really can affect quality of play.

I love your sig, first off. And yeah, I just find the over-the-shoulder thing annoying, personally as well as not being able to zoom out farther. Thankfully I don't get motion sick or anything from it like some people do, but it's still a much-needed options set regardless.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Smiteye wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

Thot they fixed this with fov slider. No? I never checked it after patch release so I don't know for sure.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb10oX29qMc

Unfortunately they only did for first-person view, not third-person.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

isn't there a program that fixes the FOV problem... umm...

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

That's made by a third-party and could get me banned or just keylogged. I used it once and then changed my password after, to determine that the FOV setting would make the game playable for me, recently though which is why I made this thread .

technohic wrote: »

I too would like larger field of view but I'm not into the "why do they get their stuff but I don't get mine" complaint.

To some extent, I wonder if they do not give a further back view on 3rd person in order to not make it even more of an advantage over 1st person that it already is, but I'm not sure that could be serious. It already is and advantage even if the camera is so close, you can only see an attacker come in a split second before they are on you.

I can sort of get that for the zoom distance though they used to let us zoom out further, in the first place. Field of View though they put in for first-person just not third. And I know the post came off frustrated... sorry but I was , that is why I posted in my first reply to say that I know it didn't come off very well.

Sindala wrote: »

As far as I can remember the camera has always been 'off centre' in ES games (once tech allowed it to be).
It's is a vast undertaking to move the field of view now the game is released and would take ALOT of resources to do, unfortunately only a small minority have asked for this so it's likely to never happen because of the work needed to re-write atleast half the code of the game.

Have you tried playing using just the POV camera.
Also i'd suggest buying a new monitor as it sounds like your suffering from low fps flicker which causes nausea and epilepsy.
Perhaps even an eye test and let the person doing it know its for Monitor use.

I appreciate the thoughtful advice... I'm on a pretty new monitor that's a 24" LCD and run at 60fps always since I lower the settings a bit to make sure the framerate does not dip. I dont know how involved making another slider for thirdperson like they did firstperson would be but I dont think it would be too hard from what I have seen and given that third-party tool linked above by smeeprocket. I'm just hoping since they fixed things affecting similar numbers of people like the mage orb, that maybe this thread will be seen by them and they'll finally change it to allow the options that would let me play a lot more often.

it's not going to get you keylogged, and I don't -think- banned, a lot of people use it, and no one has had their account or anything else jacked because of it. I haven't talked to a zos rep but you could put in a ticket about it.

At any rate, afaik, they have no way of knowing if you use it.

c0rp · August 2014

Your toon is centered in the screen when you zoom all the way out. I don't see the issue here.

Elad13 · August 2014

Op I don't mean to sound rude but if this game causes health issues. ..stop playing....If a ride at Disney land makes me sick...I'm not going to ride it...has much as you want to play eso....If it effects you....don't play it. Be happy with the games you can play. Eso was in beta a long time so surely you were aware that the game is a health danger before you bought it.

JessieColt · August 2014

It is never about how long someone complains about an issue.

How easy or hard is it to fix will always be at the top of the determining factor when it comes to fixing optional issues.

Lunerdog · August 2014

Why do people ignorantly argue against an option for something ?

It would just be another setting in the options menu, use it or don't.

How would it detract from your gameplay ?

And as for the rather silly comment of "just don't play", if certain issues are causing motion sickness etc then they need to be addressed, not ignored.

Zen wants to keep customers, not make them go away, don't play is not an option.

Super_Sonico · August 2014

I personally hate the offset, over the shoulder view in 3rd person. It's awkward and annoying.

ZOS should put more effort into making customization settings for the camera. Not having options for people with different needs is lazy and ignorant. When industries have done this in history past, it has led to a host of legislation to force compliance. I would like to think we live in an enlightened enough day and age where people can come to their senses and get in front of these issues before, as an industry, you're forced to comply later.

technohic · August 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

Why do people ignorantly argue against an option for something ?

It would just be another setting in the options menu, use it or don't.

How would it detract from your gameplay ?

And as for the rather silly comment of "just don't play", if certain issues are causing motion sickness etc then they need to be addressed, not ignored.

Zen wants to keep customers, not make them go away, don't play is not an option.

I dislike the "just don't play" comments and always find it ironic that it comes from people who generally defend the game faithfully without any sense of how that option does more harm than good.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Super_Sonico wrote: »

I personally hate the offset, over the shoulder view in 3rd person. It's awkward and annoying.

ZOS should put more effort into making customization settings for the camera. Not having options for people with different needs is lazy and ignorant. When industries have done this in history past, it has led to a host of legislation to force compliance. I would like to think we live in an enlightened enough day and age where people can come to their senses and get in front of these issues before, as an industry, you're forced to comply later.

Yeah, it is offset even at the max allowed zoom distance currently up and to the right of my character's head by about an inch, it feels really weird to this day to run around with even though I've played since last year.

Allowing a center camera option, height of camera adjustment (i.e. how high above the character's head it is when centered), third-person FoV, and a higher maximum zoom distance, are all very much needed changes.

A lot of games allow for some or all of these so I've been disappointed to see ESO not have them as they're fairly basic options to make the game comfortable for people to play whether they have health problems or not.

guybrushtb16_ESO · August 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

Why do people ignorantly argue against an option for something ?

It would just be another setting in the options menu, use it or don't.

How would it detract from your gameplay ?

And as for the rather silly comment of "just don't play", if certain issues are causing motion sickness etc then they need to be addressed, not ignored.

Zen wants to keep customers, not make them go away, don't play is not an option.

Wholeheartedly agreed. If anybody wants something and it doesn't come at any cost for me whatsoever, by all means, let them have it. This is particularly true for clientside graphics settings and the like.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Here's max zoom distance on a mule: note the crosshair is centered on the actual entire screen but the character is shifted off a good bit to the left and much further down creating awkward movement as you're far off-center when turning:

And here's just one tick inward and it shifts it much further off center even still:

I have some screenshots using esolauncher that show FOV and another called esomod, but I have never played with them due to them being gray area on the TOS as they are 3rd-party programs.

Smiteye · August 2014

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

Why do people ignorantly argue against an option for something ?

It would just be another setting in the options menu, use it or don't.

How would it detract from your gameplay ?

And as for the rather silly comment of "just don't play", if certain issues are causing motion sickness etc then they need to be addressed, not ignored.

Zen wants to keep customers, not make them go away, don't play is not an option.

Wholeheartedly agreed. If anybody wants something and it doesn't come at any cost for me whatsoever, by all means, let them have it. This is particularly true for clientside graphics settings and the like.

Thank you.... I understand if it affects others it becomes less black and white but this kind of option set doesnt

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