The only reason ppl use PTS is to know exactly how to set up a build when the patch goes live. We already pay a monthly sub and now we have to 'work' as well.. i laughed reading that segment in TRA

+1 for cool post

I'll happily potter about on the PTS - when they have character transfer (which would have helped a lot in testing the dye system). Also as a solo PvE player I'm not really sure what use I can be - apart from asking again and again to be able to cook fishies.

Erock25 wrote: »

After ZOS ignored multiple bug reports by players well before 1.3 released, I'm done taking my time to help them find issues.

since soul tether and magma were ultra hard to spot right? i mean one shotting pople so hard to spot, jeeze zeni listen to the public >.>

I'd be interested in testing on the PTS if I had the ability to copy my character over (thanks @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ for the heads up that it's coming) and more developer feedback / discussion / involvement in the PTS forum. If I am spending my limited playtime actively bug-hunting (rather then doing activities I enjoy in the live server) I really need to know that my feedback is valued and listened to and have a chance to discuss problems with those would be involved in resolving them.

Erock25 wrote: »

After ZOS ignored multiple bug reports by players well before 1.3 released, I'm done taking my time to help them find issues.

@Erock25, I can relate here. It is hard to tell if they actually make it through or make a difference. And many times when you contact CS, it becomes an out of sight, out of mind experience.

I usually try to CS to show them a bug and give them opportunity to gather more info than they would normally have access to. However, the goal seems to be 'make it go away for now,' and it's 'fixed.'

Awdwyn wrote: »

I'd be interested in testing on the PTS if I had the ability to copy my character over (thanks @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ for the heads up that it's coming) and more developer feedback / discussion / involvement in the PTS forum. If I am spending my limited playtime actively bug-hunting (rather then doing activities I enjoy in the live server) I really need to know that my feedback is valued and listened to and have a chance to discuss problems with those would be involved in resolving them.

@Awdwyn‌ This would be nice. I understand the isolation, for a variety of reasons, but it's hard to justify spending massive time on the PTS unless you are VR12 across the board and bored out of your mind on the regular server.

If there was beta points for possible new content (not just the latest update, but something that would require a true additional beta period) (Think ESO 2.0), I could see it.

As such, it's kind of like playing your game, but never hitting the Save button. You obtain these things, but are unable to directly put them to use on the main server.

I rarely have as much time on the main server as I would like, let alone split between two different ones.

Nestor wrote: »

While it might be nice to copy your character over, the PTS has Templates that let you have a high level character right out the gate. I have actually rolled Alts on the PTS to test out Morphs that I might want on my game characters.

I will say that I have avoided it for testing group content as I don't group that much (other than specific dungeons)

Understood, and the templates are useful. The flip side is that I am heavily involved in crafting, and would spend a good portion of my PTS time testing sets and their interactions. This currently is not possible due to the time required to either research (for crafted sets) or farm (for dropped sets).

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

After ZOS ignored multiple bug reports by players well before 1.3 released, I'm done taking my time to help them find issues.

@Erock25, I can relate here. It is hard to tell if they actually make it through or make a difference. And many times when you contact CS, it becomes an out of sight, out of mind experience.

I usually try to CS to show them a bug and give them opportunity to gather more info than they would normally have access to. However, the goal seems to be 'make it go away for now,' and it's 'fixed.'

Awdwyn wrote: »

I'd be interested in testing on the PTS if I had the ability to copy my character over (thanks @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ for the heads up that it's coming) and more developer feedback / discussion / involvement in the PTS forum. If I am spending my limited playtime actively bug-hunting (rather then doing activities I enjoy in the live server) I really need to know that my feedback is valued and listened to and have a chance to discuss problems with those would be involved in resolving them.

@Awdwyn‌ This would be nice. I understand the isolation, for a variety of reasons, but it's hard to justify spending massive time on the PTS unless you are VR12 across the board and bored out of your mind on the regular server.

If there was beta points for possible new content (not just the latest update, but something that would require a true additional beta period) (Think ESO 2.0), I could see it.

As such, it's kind of like playing your game, but never hitting the Save button. You obtain these things, but are unable to directly put them to use on the main server.

I rarely have as much time on the main server as I would like, let alone split between two different ones.

Im not considering the character transfer as being useful for progression (since PTS wipes should be a regular thing IMHO) but more of opening up options for more testing. Alternatively, they could provide a way to easily obtain dropped set items and have all traits researched on templates.

It would be nice if these Templates would come with a nice selection of Crafting Mats just for that purpose. Or possibly a bank or merchant who sells them cheap.

@ZOS_GinaBruno How about it, can we get a Crafting Kit with Crafting Mats included in the PTS to test out Crafted Sets and such?

This whole thread is gold!

As for something constructive, they need to add incentive to log onto the PTS. It should be rewards that carry over to the live server, but nothing exclusive. If I was paid with in game gold/items, then I might have the incentive to test the game I'm paying real money for.

Does the PTS contain content from the entire game or just cherry picked parts?

If the latter, that explains why bugs are getting through, PTS needs to allow for regression testing in different (and lower) areas of the game as tweaks to high end content often have unforeseen consequences to other areas. (See Cyrodiil problems).

If it already does...well...bummer dude

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Dear Zenimax Online Studios,

I just read "The Road Ahead" for August, and the section asking for help testing your software. As a 25 year veteran of software development, I would be happy to help you with this task.

My consultant rate is $90/hr, and I can work between 10-20 hours a week. Please feel free to contact me at my listed email address within my account profile if you are interested.

I look forward to working with you!

References available upon request.

well looking at your sig with character levels it doesn't look like you have a real job so..

I'm sorry ZOS, you blew it with your 'beta' test crowd and the Psijic Order participants. Completely ignoring us and our feedback, dupe glitches, VR, class imbalance, bugs...bugs and more bugs, quest progress glitches, grouping, exploits, API, the list goes on and on.....

Find someone else to play your Oliver. You treated your beta community like [snip] and now you expect them to come back and say "Please sir, can I have another?"

pffffttt

lol all these people complaining are probably all the ones that complain about something(s) not working correctly, etc etc. For them it is better to be reactive instead of proactive. Instead from posts I've read here people would rather not do anything make this game better or have patience I'm just going to post on the forum and cry about the game blah blah blah blah.