Why are people to change their minds so quickly?

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When the game first came out everyone was complaining how stupid it was to Soft cap V10 and not have all levels able to achieve (this would've spelt disaster for future content release) and they wanted it to go till V50.

Now everyone complains when Zenimax increases the levels by 2? Make up your mind people, you should have known the levels would increase sometime between now and Champion system. If you have all gold armor and gold enchants on that armor then there shouldn't be any complaint, when you go into the new zone you'll have gear better then most V13 and be close to V14 armor if you are that stubborn to get new gear.

This happens all the time when a MMO gets and expansion and raises the max level, I don't know why its so much of a surprise that it happens with ESO.
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  • Maverick827
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    Who wanted VR50?

    Also, what?
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    Our opinions are often changed by experience but I am wondering who this "everyone" person is and more importantly, who knows what they want. Could probably make a fortune.

    Every 3 months also might have something to do with it.

    Yay for a new thread to tell people who don't like it that their opinion is wrong
  • phaneub17_ESO
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    People didn't expect the game to be tiered by VR, that hitting level 50 all content would be equal and the Veteran would just be bonus, optional growth. That didn't turn out to be the case and it just divided players more, the grind of going through all of it again a second and third time just burned a lot of players out. When Craglorn came out it was a short relief they could now skip it all and blow through it in a couple of days though unintentional, it did unite all veteran ranks together to hit new content even if it was all outdoor boss grinding.
  • Road2insanity777
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    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????
  • Maverick827
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    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????
    Because they're not VR12 with legendary gear and they lack the capacity to sympathize with others and reason for a middle ground.
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    It's a well known observation on MMO forums, that the majority will manufacture anything possible just so they can protest. Activism seems to give players an air of importance. Without it, they're lost.

    It's not just those that complain to support a cause. Just as often, there are those who prey on the activists simply because they're dying to find anything to criticize just because playing devil's advocate gives them a sense of self worth.
  • Audigy
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    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????

    Is this your first MMO?

    With every new raid tier your old gear becomes obsolete and is often sold at vendors.

    This isn't anything new but the big plus for ZO is that the difference is almost not noticeable between VR 12 and VR 14 stats.
    Edited by Audigy on August 21, 2014 8:14PM
  • Khami
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    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????
    Because they're not VR12 with legendary gear and they lack the capacity to sympathize with others and reason for a middle ground.

    Wow, if you and others had bother to actually pay attention to the hints the game gave you would have known the max level was going to hit VR14. The bosses in Vet CoH are VR14, the glyphs went to VR14.

    I had wonderful gear in SW:TOR last year November, then they released content for raiders a few weeks after getting all the gear I needed and guess what, the gear changed. My great gear turned into okay gear. It caused me to regrind stuff to get new gear.

    How is this any different? They raised the cap from VR10 to VR12 with the very first update. Three updates later, they're upping it again.

    The hint were in Craglorn to let us know, the max level was going up again. I thought it was going to happen with update two, but it's update four.

    The difference between purple and gold gear is one or two points. Nothing worth crying about.
  • Hadria
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    Khami wrote: »
    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????
    Because they're not VR12 with legendary gear and they lack the capacity to sympathize with others and reason for a middle ground.

    Wow, if you and others had bother to actually pay attention to the hints the game gave you would have known the max level was going to hit VR14. The bosses in Vet CoH are VR14, the glyphs went to VR14.

    I had wonderful gear in SW:TOR last year November, then they released content for raiders a few weeks after getting all the gear I needed and guess what, the gear changed. My great gear turned into okay gear. It caused me to regrind stuff to get new gear.

    How is this any different? They raised the cap from VR10 to VR12 with the very first update. Three updates later, they're upping it again.

    The hint were in Craglorn to let us know, the max level was going up again. I thought it was going to happen with update two, but it's update four.

    The difference between purple and gold gear is one or two points. Nothing worth crying about.

    they think they're special for rushing to end game to get best gear then come to find out they're not that special at all
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.
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    Audigy wrote: »
    2 extra levels adds nothing to the game and forces everyone to blow up ever bit of gear they have worked for in the past months.. How is anyone NOT pissed????

    Is this your first MMO?

    With every new raid tier your old gear becomes obsolete and is often sold at vendors.

    This isn't anything new but the big plus for ZO is that the difference is almost not noticeable between VR 12 and VR 14 stats.

    You know, I never stopped to think of raiding, but you are right. I came from SWTOR myself but only PvPed outside of leveling, so not sure about how they kept up with raids there. I'm thinking their content did not come out nearly as quick.

    To the point of me mainly PvPing, there you had seperate gear so keeping up with the raiders was not a concern since you had a stat that made up to it, and probably by way to much at some points in the game. It's just a bit different here as the gear is universal and to me, its well worth it as to not have the weird balancing between the different modes of play.
  • Hadria
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    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.


    except that's not the way it was suppose to be, v14 wasn't suppose to come out so soon but with all the crying over vr lvls being boring or too hard or whatever they cried about zeni decided to redo it with champion. so they already had v14 in the works so instead of scrapping it they release it early to give you something to do while you wait for the new champ system.
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    Hadria wrote: »
    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.


    except that's not the way it was suppose to be, v14 wasn't suppose to come out so soon but with all the crying over vr lvls being boring or too hard or whatever they cried about zeni decided to redo it with champion. so they already had v14 in the works so instead of scrapping it they release it early to give you something to do while you wait for the new champ system.

    You act like I wanted that or ever requested. I am not in that camp.
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  • Cuyler
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    Can all of you who rushed to VR12 to do nothing but complain about changes to your uber builds because you burned yourself out on grinding and now can't even fathom playing the game to raise lvls/gear anymore please just unsub already. Let the rest of us get back to enjoying these forums.

    End rant
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  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Can all of you who rushed to VR12 to do nothing but complain about changes to your uber builds because you burned yourself out on grinding and now can't even fathom playing the game to raise lvls/gear anymore please just unsub already. Let the rest of us get back to enjoying these forums.

    End rant

    the game's been out for what, four months? No one rushed anywhere. Just because people didn't crawl to their destination doesn't mean they rushed.

    I don't appreciate being painted with such a broad brush stroke, since I haven't burned myself out. I'm enjoying the hell out of pvp. However, I can't get gear or levels effectively pvp'ing, which is what I want to play.

    Nor would I be able to get the groups to do the group content for craglorn lower or upper even if I did want to do the new content.

    But let's ignore that and just flame people instead.
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    There is already a pool asking about this , the majority already said they are annoyed by this change , it is just stupid , but doing stupid things is the zen way , so one must expect such things.

    Now we have to deal with constant lvl cap raises , PS , said lvls which mostly only benefit Pv Egroup players , who are the people getting the actual content meant to lvl them up.

    The others will again join your usual grind group at some new easy to farm spot , because they to begin with had nothing to do with the new content.


    Adding new content is fine , BUT if it is meant only for one group of players , then it shouldnt affect us all , that is stupid. If zen made a nice exp with things for everyone to do AND had a lvl cap increase , which all players could get by playing in their own fields , then probably less would complain. PS: less would also complain if they didnt decide to break the speed record in lvl cap increase :P.

    By the time the champ system hit we will be at VR20 and by we i mean mostly either people that like craglorn and the people that dont mind skipping its content and grinding for exp there.
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  • Cuyler
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Can all of you who rushed to VR12 to do nothing but complain about changes to your uber builds because you burned yourself out on grinding and now can't even fathom playing the game to raise lvls/gear anymore please just unsub already. Let the rest of us get back to enjoying these forums.

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    the game's been out for what, four months? No one rushed anywhere. Just because people didn't crawl to their destination doesn't mean they rushed.

    I don't appreciate being painted with such a broad brush stroke, since I haven't burned myself out. I'm enjoying the hell out of pvp. However, I can't get gear or levels effectively pvp'ing, which is what I want to play.

    Nor would I be able to get the groups to do the group content for craglorn lower or upper even if I did want to do the new content.

    But let's ignore that and just flame people instead.

    Your clearly not apart of the group I'm speaking of....and I'm not ignoring the issues. I simply do the adult thing and recognize them for what they are and move on....no use pining over something that you have no control over is my point. just move on....
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  • rekina
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    Yeh, why don't we just have infinite VR then? Let's just remove level cap and let us level until 65535. I'd love to see some level dropping upon death too. HP would go like 150000 along with 120000 magicka but like 5000 stamina because we'd still wearing light armors with full magicka enchant. Nice game.
    Edited by rekina on August 21, 2014 8:58PM
  • Hadria
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    Hadria wrote: »
    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.


    except that's not the way it was suppose to be, v14 wasn't suppose to come out so soon but with all the crying over vr lvls being boring or too hard or whatever they cried about zeni decided to redo it with champion. so they already had v14 in the works so instead of scrapping it they release it early to give you something to do while you wait for the new champ system.

    You act like I wanted that or ever requested. I am not in that camp.

    oh I didn't mean it like that or anything I was just replying to you saying 2 vr levels every 2 months. sorry about that
  • Maverick827
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Cuyler wrote: »
    Can all of you who rushed to VR12 to do nothing but complain about changes to your uber builds because you burned yourself out on grinding and now can't even fathom playing the game to raise lvls/gear anymore please just unsub already. Let the rest of us get back to enjoying these forums.

    End rant

    the game's been out for what, four months? No one rushed anywhere. Just because people didn't crawl to their destination doesn't mean they rushed.

    I don't appreciate being painted with such a broad brush stroke, since I haven't burned myself out. I'm enjoying the hell out of pvp. However, I can't get gear or levels effectively pvp'ing, which is what I want to play.

    Nor would I be able to get the groups to do the group content for craglorn lower or upper even if I did want to do the new content.

    But let's ignore that and just flame people instead.

    Your clearly not apart of the group I'm speaking of....and I'm not ignoring the issues. I simply do the adult thing and recognize them for what they are and move on....no use pining over something that you have no control over is my point. just move on....
    No control over? This isn't some cosmic force, it's a decision that people made and can easily be changed. We have the ability to voice our concerns and vote with our wallets, like we did with the Twilight and Seducer set change in 1.3.
    Edited by Maverick827 on August 21, 2014 9:03PM
  • bosmern_ESO
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    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.

    You're acting as if the Champion system was cancelled. This could very well be the last time Veteran levels rise and everyone is put to level 50.
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  • Maverick827
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    The difference that you people seem obsessed with ignoring is that 2 vr levels every 2 month is just too fast. I mean I don't want vet ranks to begin with, but frequent small increases cause a never-ending gear grind, a huge money sink in a game packed with money sinks, and added to things like bad grouping tools and phasing making the content unplayable for most people (since all they are releasing is group content,) or the very minuscule increase to exp they gave pvp'rs, people are going to be frustrated, yes.

    You're acting as if the Champion system was cancelled. This could very well be the last time Veteran levels rise and everyone is put to level 50.
    Then why bother doing it? Why go ahead with something that you've already acknowledged is so hated that you had to rush and implement an entirely new system to replace it with?
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    Why? What is the point if they seriously are implementing champion system?
    Someone needs to go to ZOS and bang their heads together and say "Look, this is pointless and a stupid waste of time. Focus on bug fixing and prepping for champion system."

    Because you know what will happen now, they will release a broken system that they didn't focus on and rushed out the door to appease people and then they will get ripped apart for it being crap.

    Ultimately a no winner because they focused their resources in the WRONG areas.

    I get that ZOS community team are on here and relay our messages back, but what they need to do is grab the dev team and say LOOK FOR YOURSELVES at the forum.
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  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    When the game first came out everyone was complaining how stupid it was to Soft cap V10 and not have all levels able to achieve (this would've spelt disaster for future content release) and they wanted it to go till V50.

    Now everyone complains when Zenimax increases the levels by 2? Make up your mind people, you should have known the levels would increase sometime between now and Champion system. If you have all gold armor and gold enchants on that armor then there shouldn't be any complaint, when you go into the new zone you'll have gear better then most V13 and be close to V14 armor if you are that stubborn to get new gear.

    This happens all the time when a MMO gets and expansion and raises the max level, I don't know why its so much of a surprise that it happens with ESO.
    Post like yours always have a fatal flaw .. you use the word everyone when patently not 'everyone' is of the same mind.

    Also, you call these content updates are expansions, they're not, a common term for these are 'free content updates'. All MMOs have them periodically as far as I know, but no other on-line game I play (currently 6) raises level caps with such updates every two or three months.

    That's why it's a huge surprise and unwelcome for many, it isn't how MMOPs are expected to deal with character progression. Gear obsolescence at each expansion is expected, if not always willingly, but these patches are nothing like expansions.
    Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 22, 2014 6:33AM
  • Soloeus
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    When the game first came out everyone was complaining how stupid it was to Soft cap V10 and not have all levels able to achieve (this would've spelt disaster for future content release) and they wanted it to go till V50.

    Now everyone complains when Zenimax increases the levels by 2? Make up your mind people, you should have known the levels would increase sometime between now and Champion system. If you have all gold armor and gold enchants on that armor then there shouldn't be any complaint, when you go into the new zone you'll have gear better then most V13 and be close to V14 armor if you are that stubborn to get new gear.

    This happens all the time when a MMO gets and expansion and raises the max level, I don't know why its so much of a surprise that it happens with ESO.

    1. You are talking about a Hard Cap where once you hit it, /end. With a Soft Cap, you can go over but there is usually Diminishing Returns.

    2. People are complaining because we were told Vet Ranks would be eliminated for Champion Levels. This caused many people to craft Golden Gear from mats they have saved since DAY ONE. Now they are being told in about a month they have to make new gear; literally RIGHT AFTER the Gear Changes that were made.

    3. The reason people are complaining is because in most MMO's when "New Lands" come in with New Gear, Levels, Etc., it happens about 2x/year or 1x/year. This gives you time to reach the top, advance horizontally and experience the endgame feeling like a hero. Then after you have had more than ample time to enjoy and experience everything, the update comes.

    In ESO, we have already had 3 such updates and the game hasn't even been out for 8 months. People don't want to engage a 100% Vertical Climb. Many just want to reach the top and advance Horizontally. Adding more Vertical Climbing isn't a bad thing, but its about timing. It feels like once you hit the top you only get to enjoy it for a couple months before the ceiling is lifted.

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  • bosmern_ESO
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    When the game first came out everyone was complaining how stupid it was to Soft cap V10 and not have all levels able to achieve (this would've spelt disaster for future content release) and they wanted it to go till V50.

    Now everyone complains when Zenimax increases the levels by 2? Make up your mind people, you should have known the levels would increase sometime between now and Champion system. If you have all gold armor and gold enchants on that armor then there shouldn't be any complaint, when you go into the new zone you'll have gear better then most V13 and be close to V14 armor if you are that stubborn to get new gear.

    This happens all the time when a MMO gets and expansion and raises the max level, I don't know why its so much of a surprise that it happens with ESO.
    Post like yours always have a fatal flaw .. you use the word everyone when patently not 'everyone' is of the same mind.

    Also, you call these content updates are expansions, they're not, a common term for these are 'free content updates'. All MMOs have them periodically as far as I know, but no other on-line game I play (currently 6) raises level caps with such updates every two or three months.

    That's why it's a huge surprise and unwelcome for many, it isn't how MMOPs are expected to deal with character progression. Gear obsolescence at each expansion is expected, if not always willingly, but these patches are nothing like expansions.

    When I say everyone, I mean the people who are complaining. Its a lot faster to type 'everyone' over 'the % of the community that doesn't like this update'.

    Yes, they are expansions. Do you know what the word expansion means? Its to make something larger, to add more to something currently there. When they released Craglorn, that was an expansion, it added to the map. Now when they are releasing upper Craglorn, that is an expansion as well. Because they are making it larger and adding more the the map.


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  • bosmern_ESO
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    Soloeus wrote: »
    When the game first came out everyone was complaining how stupid it was to Soft cap V10 and not have all levels able to achieve (this would've spelt disaster for future content release) and they wanted it to go till V50.

    Now everyone complains when Zenimax increases the levels by 2? Make up your mind people, you should have known the levels would increase sometime between now and Champion system. If you have all gold armor and gold enchants on that armor then there shouldn't be any complaint, when you go into the new zone you'll have gear better then most V13 and be close to V14 armor if you are that stubborn to get new gear.

    This happens all the time when a MMO gets and expansion and raises the max level, I don't know why its so much of a surprise that it happens with ESO.

    1. You are talking about a Hard Cap where once you hit it, /end. With a Soft Cap, you can go over but there is usually Diminishing Returns.

    2. People are complaining because we were told Vet Ranks would be eliminated for Champion Levels. This caused many people to craft Golden Gear from mats they have saved since DAY ONE. Now they are being told in about a month they have to make new gear; literally RIGHT AFTER the Gear Changes that were made.

    3. The reason people are complaining is because in most MMO's when "New Lands" come in with New Gear, Levels, Etc., it happens about 2x/year or 1x/year. This gives you time to reach the top, advance horizontally and experience the endgame feeling like a hero. Then after you have had more than ample time to enjoy and experience everything, the update comes.

    In ESO, we have already had 3 such updates and the game hasn't even been out for 8 months. People don't want to engage a 100% Vertical Climb. Many just want to reach the top and advance Horizontally. Adding more Vertical Climbing isn't a bad thing, but its about timing. It feels like once you hit the top you only get to enjoy it for a couple months before the ceiling is lifted.

    So what you're telling me is that you want to wait a year for Patch 1.4? do you really think there is currently enough content to hold you over for a year? Right now you either do Trails or Cyrodiil endgame, and just running those two things for a straight year would make everyone quit.

    ZOS needs to have frequent updates for the first year maybe two, just to keep people playing. After they rapidly pump out updates they will begin to slow down the process and make the time between each update larger. Mainly because there will already be enough content in game to keep people playing and still anticipate the next updates.
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    So what you're telling me is that you want to wait a year for Patch 1.4? do you really think there is currently enough content to hold you over for a year? Right now you either do Trails or Cyrodiil endgame, and just running those two things for a straight year would make everyone quit.

    ZOS needs to have frequent updates for the first year maybe two, just to keep people playing. After they rapidly pump out updates they will begin to slow down the process and make the time between each update larger. Mainly because there will already be enough content in game to keep people playing and still anticipate the next updates.

    1. Yes and No. If you are a Solo Player there already isn't enough content and won't be for at least a whole year.

    2. Cyrodil is my only option. Adding new Group Zones doesn't change that.

    3. I agree that they need to get content out NOW so, as you said, they can slow down the pace later once they do have enough content. However with Solo Players locked out of Competition from being shafted some 15-25 Skill Points, and Gear, this content rushing only saves one group of players from boredom.

    4. For everyone who is content locked the boredom increases because now they have to grind even more through content that won't please them just to remain competitive in PVP.

    What would I have preferred?

    A V11-12 Solo Elite Zone AND a Group V13-15 Zone. This way, Solo Players can advance without being railroaded into a playstyle they hate and Group Players will still have more content to do.

    I believe every time a Group Zone is created to advance Vet Levels, they should also add a Solo Zone that contains the same Vet Level of challenges.

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  • G0ku
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    Can all of you who rushed to VR12 to do nothing but complain about changes to your uber builds because you burned yourself out on grinding and now can't even fathom playing the game to raise lvls/gear anymore please just unsub already. Let the rest of us get back to enjoying these forums.

    End rant
    they think they're special for rushing to end game to get best gear then come to find out they're not that special at all

    I didn´t rush anything, but it didn´t take me two months to kill molag bal. But I feel offended by these assumptions. I got all you can do except two endpoints in Craglorn quests due to phasing. And imagine, I even read the plot of the quests. Don´t think all people who are VR12, and I´ve been it for quite a while now, were rushing content. It´s just plain dumb to do so.

    For the changes to VR14 I don´t really have any hard feelings. It´s not that big of a difference if items are epic or legendary, and epic gear is something anyone could accomplish really fast.

    The announcements Zeni made, and the fact they´re not precise and clear about what to expect in future updates is the one thing that makes me feel sour. Im glad I was busy figuring out which of the new sets to use than upgrading my gear to golden.

    They just should make clear statements even for the dumber people like me who, after the introduction of champion system, thought they could craft their gear, no matter which VR level, to legendary, because in the end it all will be level 50.

    The bad communciation is the reason for the ranting you now can observe.
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  • Sindala
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    Human nature, we've been conditioned by Capitalism to complain and moan about everything.
    Like if you won the lottery, you'd probably end up moaning cos the week before the jackpot was bigger ect.
    Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.
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