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Improving lower level gear...
SFBryan18
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Can a level 1 set be improved to Legendary? If it can, why? Has or will anyone ever do this?
Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 11:21AM 0
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Xeres14✭✭✭I believe the appearance does change a little as you make the quality better.Edited by Xeres14 on August 21, 2014 12:43PM5
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✭If you want to waste the tempers, yeah. It will useless but you can
The question is, why does the game have a feature that no one will ever use? Why can any gear that we will out level be improved? It seems pointless. I'm curious if the beginner set has a unique appearance when raised to legendary.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 11:33AM0 -
mutharex✭✭✭✭✭Why not? The system is there to be used, even if it makes no sense at all. More options is good, not bad0
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mutharex✭✭✭✭✭If he wants.. why not? By your logic, one would never improve any item, as it will eventually outlevel it0
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Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭So there's actually something to spend all the gold/tempers duped/bought from sellers on? Or just a simple gold/temper sink for when the game has matured and there's a natural surplus of gold and tempers? Maybe someone just forgot to set the level brackets and restrictions on tempers?"You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"0 -
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No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?
There is a point in improving items at a high level. It makes them better.
The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?
There is a point in improving items at a high level. It makes them better.
The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?
This is an MMO that uses a leveling system. Of course low-level gear won't be used after you out-level it. It's not intended to be used for long periods of time.
Will upgrading it to legendary change its appearance the way that it does with higher-level items? Probably. Am I going to waste tempers on it? Nope.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. They coded a system where you can upgrade every piece of equipment you get because it's easier than coding a system where you can only upgrade some equipment.----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?
There is a point in improving items at a high level. It makes them better.
The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?
This is an MMO that uses a leveling system. Of course low-level gear won't be used after you out-level it. It's not intended to be used for long periods of time.
Will upgrading it to legendary change its appearance the way that it does with higher-level items? Probably. Am I going to waste tempers on it? Nope.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. They coded a system where you can upgrade every piece of equipment you get because it's easier than coding a system where you can only upgrade some equipment.
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?
There is a point in improving items at a high level. It makes them better.
The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?
This is an MMO that uses a leveling system. Of course low-level gear won't be used after you out-level it. It's not intended to be used for long periods of time.
Will upgrading it to legendary change its appearance the way that it does with higher-level items? Probably. Am I going to waste tempers on it? Nope.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. They coded a system where you can upgrade every piece of equipment you get because it's easier than coding a system where you can only upgrade some equipment.
Why have gear that no one will ever craft?
Because they wanted the option? And don't say "no one," because I'd wager that some RPers would improve their low-level gear to that quality. I just wouldn't waste the materials because I don't RP.
And once again, why do you care?Edited by nerevarine1138 on August 21, 2014 12:26PM----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. But would there be a point to them coding a crafting system that only let you improve items of a certain level?
Why do you care? And what's your point?
There is a point in improving items at a high level. It makes them better.
The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?
This is an MMO that uses a leveling system. Of course low-level gear won't be used after you out-level it. It's not intended to be used for long periods of time.
Will upgrading it to legendary change its appearance the way that it does with higher-level items? Probably. Am I going to waste tempers on it? Nope.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. They coded a system where you can upgrade every piece of equipment you get because it's easier than coding a system where you can only upgrade some equipment.
Why have gear that no one will ever craft?
Because they wanted the option? And don't say "no one," because I'd wager that some RPers would improve their low-level gear to that quality. I just wouldn't waste the materials because I don't RP.
And once again, why do you care?
I care because I like the way low level gear looks and wonder what the point is for giving it improvement options if those options will just be a waste.
Ultimately, why does a legendary level 1 set even exist? I mean, does it even exist? Has anyone ever made one?Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 12:29PM0 -
Ultimately, why does a legendary level 1 set even exist? I mean, does it even exist? Has anyone ever made one?
It being a waste is strictly your opinion. Prior to dyeing, the quality of the gear was the only appearance change. Is someone likely to have crafted such gear, no. Is it some monumental waste effort to have a pallet shifted set of very low level gear...probably not. Is it likely more effort, codewise, to exclude common behavior to similar objects, you betcha'NA MegaServer
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✭So far no one has told me anything I didn't already know, because you are all guessing. I wonder if these sets even have an appearance change.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 12:38PM0 -
Yes improving any lvl of gear will change appearance some what. Hey why not it's not like you can't go get more improvement mats later on. Mite as well have fun with it along the way. It's a game play it any way you want. And ignor the people who say it's pointless. As we all have different play styles. This game is set up so you can do fun stuff like that. You would be prolly the only one with soul shriven legendary woohoo
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As for the soul shriven set it self. I dont think itle change appearance as it's a set you can only get that one time. It's not somethjng you can later on craft or find.0
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Not true. I found a purple Weapon around Level 10 and used it up to Level 15/16. Cause no drop or Quest Reward hits its DMG.The root of my point is that I feel low level gear goes to waste since we won't use it after we pass the level. And I'm curious if low level gear has a unique appearance if improved to legendary, and what would the point of this be?
A legendary Level 1 Sword gets 30 DMG. A green level 10 Sword gets 30DMG. Means if you would always run legendary Items, your Character would be with level 1 as strong as others with lvl 10 and with lvl 11 as strong as someone with lvl 20, and so on
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✭I wouldn't waste my resources. It seems every item that can't be made at max level is a waste. I feel the developers have limited our choices by making these sets level locked. And the fact that they can be improved seems pointless.0 -
Not point less they allow you to do as you want in crafting and improving for most part. If it makes your journey easier then go for it have fun don't restrict your play style to what others think is a waste. As it is to them does not mean it actually is. Legendary your beginner and have fun with a easier first 10 lvls enjoy the power!!!0
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✭FlyingPenguin wrote: »Not point less they allow you to do as you want in crafting and improving for most part. If it makes your journey easier then go for it have fun don't restrict your play style to what others think is a waste. As it is to them does not mean it actually is. Legendary your beginner and have fun with a easier first 10 lvls enjoy the power!!!
Pointless meaning the gear at the next level bracket will make any improvements obsolete so it's a waste of materials. Instead of being able to increase our gears level and keep the quality, we are forced to throw it away and start from scratch.
There is a point. It's a time sink. That's all. And the starting point in this never ending sink shows exactly what happens in the end, no one ever improves any gear that isn't top level, so the entire improvement system is only important at the top level. Until the player reaches it, they just hoard their stuff. This is why so many get mad when their top level gear gets bump down to second class. At some point, you want to get stuff that you won't have to throw away.
This whole improvement system is a waste of time.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 1:01PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FlyingPenguin wrote: »Not point less they allow you to do as you want in crafting and improving for most part. If it makes your journey easier then go for it have fun don't restrict your play style to what others think is a waste. As it is to them does not mean it actually is. Legendary your beginner and have fun with a easier first 10 lvls enjoy the power!!!
Pointless meaning the gear at the next level bracket will make any improvements obsolete so it's a waste of materials. Instead of being able to increase our gears level and keep the quality, we are forced to throw it away and start from scratch.
There is a point. It's a time sink. That's all. And the starting point in this never ending sink shows exactly what happens in the end, no one ever improves any gear that isn't top level, so the entire improvement system is only important at the top level. Until the player reaches it, they just hoard their stuff. This is why so many get mad when their top level gear gets bump down to second class. At some point, you want to get stuff that you won't have to throw away.
This whole improvement system is a waste of time.
Wow. The mental gymnastics you had to do to reach that conclusion would definitely get the approval of your overly-handsy Russian coach.
You're playing an MMO with leveled progression. If you didn't expect to shed lower-level gear as you gained experience, you were being deliberately naive. Level-based MMOs are designed around constantly getting new gear. That's how MMOs work.
Improving is hardly pointless when you get to higher level gear, and if you want to improve lower-level gear (as others have pointed out), you will actually find that you're outperforming other players of your level due to your upgraded gear. Whether you think it's worth it is entirely up to you. But dismissing an entire system because of a long-standing MMO mechanic of updating is beyond ludicrous.----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Level-based MMOs are designed around constantly getting new gear. That's how MMOs work.
No, that's a choice made by the developers. An MMO does not need this mechanic to be playable. Leveled gear is a waste of time. It's also a system which keeps players from being equal, which is another stupid incentive. Instead of creating a game where players have evenly matched abilities, and must beat each other through strategy, they just give players with the best stuff the ability to win simply for putting more time into the game. Time does not equal skill. They did not have to design the game like this, but they did because stupid people don't know anything different and because the treadmill is easier to make than real game play.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 1:52PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Level-based MMOs are designed around constantly getting new gear. That's how MMOs work.
No, that's a choice made by the developers. An MMO does not need this mechanic to be playable. Leveled gear is a waste of time. It's also a system which keeps players from being equal, which is another stupid incentive. Instead of creating a game where players have evenly matched abilities, and must beat each other through strategy, they just give players with the best stuff the ability to win simply for putting more time into the game. Time does not equal skill. They did not have to design the game like this, but they did because stupid people don't know anything different.
Name one level-based MMO that doesn't consistently offer new gear.
And as far as player skill being more important than gear: ESO is one of the few MMOs that actually does this. My gear has much less to do with my effectiveness than my build/actionbar loadout. Does it mean I don't need good gear to be competitive? No. But it means that I can't rely on gear to do everything for me.
And ESO has also been quite good about giving people access to the top-tier gear in a number of ways. If I were playing WoW, I wouldn't be able to get the gear level I have now without putting significant time and energy in to grinding raids once per week. Thanks to ESO's system, I can get set drops (or craft sets) as soon as I hit max level, and I don't need to do the same content as everyone else to get them. I have a plethora of options for getting endgame-level gear, and I have multiple avenues open to get those pieces improved to legendary quality (if that's what I want them at).----
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Because TES is suppose to be like every other MMO right? I don't remember any gear in TES ever having levels. The quality of the item determined its strength, but the items were never level locked in TES. Level locked items is just a stupid MMO clone mechanic which was never needed to make TES a fun game.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Name one level-based MMO that doesn't consistently offer new gear.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 2:00PM0
