subsciption loyalty rewards, does this mean free to play is coming?
I just read on the road ahead that they will be introducing subscription loyalty rewards, usually games have this as well as free to play, so i wonder if its going ftp?
i will always pay sub personally but do wonder if it might be good for the game to draw more folks in? Perhaps a free trial atleast get them hooked first.
anyway the more money they make the more content we get, just thought it was an interesting point to make in the road ahead.
i will always pay sub personally but do wonder if it might be good for the game to draw more folks in? Perhaps a free trial atleast get them hooked first.
anyway the more money they make the more content we get, just thought it was an interesting point to make in the road ahead.
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✭The game will not hit F2P before console release probably , now after that , if the game really goes down the drain , then yeah you can start getting ready for F2P."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭I just read on the road ahead that they will be introducing subscription loyalty rewards, usually games have this as well as free to play, so i wonder if its going ftp?
i will always pay sub personally but do wonder if it might be good for the game to draw more folks in? Perhaps a free trial atleast get them hooked first.
anyway the more money they make the more content we get, just thought it was an interesting point to make in the road ahead.
Probably they mean a better discount. Already game cards can cost you 20% less than normal ongoing sub.
The moment the game goes F2P P2W they lose me as customer. Plain and simple.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 6:43AM13 -
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They won't.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »they lose me as customer
People have posted comments like that in forums for other MMOs that went F2P and few actually followed through on the threat, they spent their time coming up with semantic arguments why the 'store' wasn't really P2W when a 10-year-old would clearly understand it was.
Examples: LOTRO and Rift.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 6:53AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It sounds like the loyalty rewards will be in the form of in-game items. That's a concept that is entirely unrelated to the business model. For example, EQ2 introduced it very early on, well before anyone had even heard of "F2P".
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rynth✭✭✭✭✭lol really? after all the posts people talking about pets given out for being subs and some sort of loyalty program given and someone thinks might be going to f2p (no offense intended to the op) just seems funny to me is allWhen asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."3
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✭I just read on the road ahead that they will be introducing subscription loyalty rewards, usually games have this as well as free to play, so i wonder if its going ftp?
i will always pay sub personally but do wonder if it might be good for the game to draw more folks in? Perhaps a free trial atleast get them hooked first.
anyway the more money they make the more content we get, just thought it was an interesting point to make in the road ahead.
No it doesn't indicate it at all. UO does this and still isn't free to play. A lot of games do. Don't worry
it also doesn't mean that it won't. It just literally doesn't mean anything other than they want to titillate you into subbing longer if you otherwise wouldn't have. That's all.Edited by Laura on August 21, 2014 7:09AM3 -
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✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
They won't.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »they lose me as customer
People have posted comments like that in forums for other MMOs that went F2P and few actually followed through on the threat, they spent their time coming up with semantic arguments why the 'store' wasn't really P2W when a 10-year-old would clearly understand it was.
Examples: LOTRO and Rift.
Some people will stick around for sure, but there are a lot of players who won't as well.
I know that I dropped my SWTOR collector's edition sub that I'd had since early access the moment EA announced plans to go F2P in the future. They are obviously doing okay now, but to say that people who dislike F2P models won't quit is a bit silly.
On topic: No, that's not what the loyalty program means. There are plenty of other games that do this, like FFXIV, where it is well-received.Edited by Varicite on August 21, 2014 7:41AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I played LOTRO for 6 years and F2P killed it for me and a lot of other people. Every part of the game was infused with "buy this now!". It was pay to win and it totally broke the immersion and enjoyment for a lot of people. Even festival quests had timers put on them that could only be overridden by buying something. I played for some years after F2P started only because I had/have a lifetime account but it wasn't the same game. Lots of players I knew left. The final straw was the announcement that there would be no expansion this year. I have tried going back since I started on ESO but I can't get into it anymore.
Anyway I don't think this means ESO is going F2P at all. We are a long way from that being a possibility. It would probably be the slow death of the game if it went F2P.Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭I don't see how a loyalty program equates to F2P imminent, but that's just me."Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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The thing about FFXIV's was initially to act as a carrot to people coming [back] to it following the mega-failure of V1.On topic: No, that's not what the loyalty program means. There are plenty of other games that do this, like FFXIV, where it is well-received.
That said, in the case of XIV the loyalty rewards are simply a collection of minions (cosmetic pets). a butt-ugly Behemoth mount and some cosmetic gear. Compared to Rift's loyalty scheme I found SE's entirely underwhelming.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 8:07AM0 -
Teiji✭✭✭✭✭Subscription loyalty rewards means that free to play is never coming.
Subscription loyalty rewards mean that the Ice Wraith vanity pet is coming.
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✭✭Aion had loyalty rewards long time before going F2P. It's just a policy to reward people that give them the most money, aka those who stay subbed all the time.
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I can't speak for anyone else but AOC, Rift and TSW among others had a few things in common. They all went F2P and they all lost me as a customer shortly afterwards.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
They won't.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »they lose me as customer
People have posted comments like that in forums for other MMOs that went F2P and few actually followed through on the threat, they spent their time coming up with semantic arguments why the 'store' wasn't really P2W when a 10-year-old would clearly understand it was.
Examples: LOTRO and Rift.
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Paske✭✭✭✭Aion had loyalty rewards long time before going F2P. It's just a policy to reward people that give them the most money, aka those who stay subbed all the time.
Good thing IMO.
This really.
One would think it was kinda obvious.
Like, if you hit your head with a hammer it will hurt, a lot. Yet many people try and see what happens.
I do like the idea TBH
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Ohioastro✭✭✭✭Everquest 1 had veteran rewards for long time players for many, many years in a pure subscription model.1
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✭I doubt I would stick around if the game went f2p, I have a lifetime sub at lotro, I got my money worths before the game went f2p, I tried to play afterwards just lost it's appeal for me, I was playing TOR, no way after f2p your sub was worthless, The Rift played before f2p and again lost is's appeal. I have tried to play many f2p games and to get a good gaming experience that I like costs me far more than 14.99 a month, f2p is the biggest lie ever put out to gamers.2 -
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✭I don't know the sub numbers to back up this hypothesis, but they may be looking for a small incentive to keep players from temporarily quitting and then resubbing a few months down the road. I've seen a number of posts of people "taking a break" from the game for a few months, if it becomes a popular enough movement it would significantly impact the game's business model.
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Winnower✭✭✭✭a) loyalty rewards like EQ1 would be welcome
b) there is no direct correlation between loyalty rewards and "free-to-pay-to-play-to-win"
c) I've left both LoTRO and SW:TOR over their emphasis on the Almighty Store and the Cartel Market:ThePackWars
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
They won't.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »they lose me as customer
People have posted comments like that in forums for other MMOs that went F2P and few actually followed through on the threat, they spent their time coming up with semantic arguments why the 'store' wasn't really P2W when a 10-year-old would clearly understand it was.
Examples: LOTRO and Rift.
I don't know about that the last day I logged in to SWTOR was the day they announced F2P. Some people just don't want to play a game like that.
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✭✭✭OP, you don't remember all the whining threads that flooded the forums over that dog and the Steam release? People were whining constantly about loyalty for a good week or more.
Obviously this is ZOS' response to that and not an indication the game is going free to play.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭Yay another doom and gloom "OMG it's going F2P" thread. Been a short while.
No. They are just giving things to loyal subscribers. Think of it as a loyalty card scheme maybe?Sweetrolls for all!
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