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Was this intentional? Insane double 3x crits
ExiledKhallisi
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I'm sure everyone is aware of the 3x crit potential of sneak attacks (sneaking/target facing away from you) But have you seen it happen on 2 mobs at the same time?
My recount is showing:
Forceful(see below) - 1595dmg
Heavy Attack - 1607dmg
You can see at the top right my Combat Cloud addon showing that i both enter and exit combat simultaneously with both enemies who are killed instantly.
2h sword has a passive called forceful that causes all attacks to deal 25% splash damage.
1595 damage doesn't quite seem like 25% to me....Lol
Also, this alt is only lvl 44.
Edited by ExiledKhallisi on August 21, 2014 6:07AM My recount is showing:
Forceful(see below) - 1595dmg
Heavy Attack - 1607dmg
You can see at the top right my Combat Cloud addon showing that i both enter and exit combat simultaneously with both enemies who are killed instantly.
2h sword has a passive called forceful that causes all attacks to deal 25% splash damage.
1595 damage doesn't quite seem like 25% to me....Lol
Also, this alt is only lvl 44.
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✭✭✭Yes,Stealth+ Soul Tether Ultimate and It crits for 3X damage on up to 6 targets.
. Not quite sure what happened to you there though. Can you reproduce it consistently? Edited by PBpsy on August 21, 2014 6:17AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭Yes,Stealth+ Soul Tether Ultimate and It crits for 3X damage on up to 6 targets. . Not quite sure what happened to you there though. Can you reproduce it ?
I can reproduce it so easily I have enough time to take a screenshot of me doing it.
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭I stated this bug like 10 times already. Even created several topics in Custmer Support section.
Created several tickets and bug reports. No reaction from ZOS what so ever...
The point is, Forcefull level 2 doesnt work as intended. Instead of 27% of splash damage to 1 nearby target, it deal FULL damage to 1 nearby target with 27% chance to proc.
It also replicate all the effects ocured on main target like ambush stun or weapon enchancement effect which also should not happen.
P.S. This effect happen always, not only on Ambush, but range of Forcefull are like 1-1.5 meters only, so it barely happens in combat, because mobs almost never stay close enought.Edited by killedbyping on August 21, 2014 7:05AM1 -
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ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »P.S. This effect happen always, not only on Ambush, but range of Forcefull are like 1-1.5 meters only, so it barely happens in combat, because mobs almost never stay close enought.
In regular combat forcful is procing as it should be. I have only replicated this in this scenario:
2 opponents facing away from me standing next to each other. Usually near an enemy campfire or guards in a doorway etc. I sneak up heavy attack. .They die.
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Supersun✭✭What's happening is that the Forceful splash attack can sneak attack as well. The splash attack does damage relative to your position so if you are standing behind 2 monsters the Forceful splash attack will also sneak attack (and likewise if you are standing in front of the second mob it won't sneak attack and just to 25% of the sneak attack hit)
Your 1595 is splashing about 400 damage to the back of the mob next to it and that 400 damage then sneak attacks as well.
Depending on what buffs your sneak attack a Forceful sneak attack can scale quite well depending on the damage of your initial hit since it's very possible that 25% of your sneak attack damage is more damage then what your initial heavy attack hit for.
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »killedbyping wrote: »P.S. This effect happen always, not only on Ambush, but range of Forcefull are like 1-1.5 meters only, so it barely happens in combat, because mobs almost never stay close enought.
In regular combat forcful is procing as it should be. I have only replicated this in this scenario:
2 opponents facing away from me standing next to each other. Usually near an enemy campfire or guards in a doorway etc. I sneak up heavy attack. .They die.
No it is not. I were playing 2h Weapons for 4 months before switched to Magicka build and still having fun with it sometimes in PVP. Forcefull work the way i described in any situation. It is just as i already said, the range of this skill are very short, so it almost never proc in normal combat.
The thing is, 2 mobs standing still and getting ambushed are probably the only possible situation when 2-3 mobs can stand close enought to each other in order to make Forcefull proc.
The fact you only able to reproduce it with 2 mobs facing each other (which is not the case at all, they can stand back to back) is because there 1 more bug in this passive or in the tooltip tipo.
Tooltip says that it deal splash damage to 1 nearby enemy target, which by logic should mean that this target suppose to be near to the target you attack, but it is actualy work on the target near YOU.
That means that both target have to be 1 meter near you in order to be affected by Forcefull and it is not realy matter how far they are from each other.Edited by killedbyping on August 21, 2014 8:06AM0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭What's happening is that the Forceful splash attack can sneak attack as well. The splash attack does damage relative to your position so if you are standing behind 2 monsters the Forceful splash attack will also sneak attack (and likewise if you are standing in front of the second mob it won't sneak attack and just to 25% of the sneak attack hit)
Your 1595 is splashing about 400 damage to the back of the mob next to it and that 400 damage then sneak attacks as well.
Depending on what buffs your sneak attack a Forceful sneak attack can scale quite well depending on the damage of your initial hit since it's very possible that 25% of your sneak attack damage is more damage then what your initial heavy attack hit for.
This is completely NOT what actualy happening. Forcefull rank 2 doing 100% of damage to 1 additional target with 27% chance to proc instead of 27% of splash damage.
Therefore when you do ambush with 2H weapon on 2 mobs standing close enought to you, you actualy making ambush on both of them.
This is easy to check if you attack the mobs which wont die instantly with your ambush and have same ammount of HP.
When it procs, you will clearly see them both have same HP left and they both will be stunned.Edited by killedbyping on August 21, 2014 8:09AM0 -
Supersun✭✭killedbyping wrote: »What's happening is that the Forceful splash attack can sneak attack as well. The splash attack does damage relative to your position so if you are standing behind 2 monsters the Forceful splash attack will also sneak attack (and likewise if you are standing in front of the second mob it won't sneak attack and just to 25% of the sneak attack hit)
Your 1595 is splashing about 400 damage to the back of the mob next to it and that 400 damage then sneak attacks as well.
Depending on what buffs your sneak attack a Forceful sneak attack can scale quite well depending on the damage of your initial hit since it's very possible that 25% of your sneak attack damage is more damage then what your initial heavy attack hit for.
This is completely NOT what actualy happening. Forcefull rank 2 doing 100% of damage to 1 additional target with 27% chance to proc instead of 27% of splash damage.
Therefore when you do ambush with 2H weapon on 2 mobs standing close enought to you, you actualy making ambush on both of them.
This is easy to check if you attack the mobs which wont die instantly with your ambush and have same ammount of HP.
When it procs, you will clearly see them both have same HP left and they both will be stunned.
That is absolutely NOT what is happening.
I just tested it. The skill works exactly as it's stated. It proced on every attack to a nearby enemy (to you) for ~25% of the damage.
Go out and test it yourself. It's definitely NOT how you stated it.0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »What's happening is that the Forceful splash attack can sneak attack as well. The splash attack does damage relative to your position so if you are standing behind 2 monsters the Forceful splash attack will also sneak attack (and likewise if you are standing in front of the second mob it won't sneak attack and just to 25% of the sneak attack hit)
Your 1595 is splashing about 400 damage to the back of the mob next to it and that 400 damage then sneak attacks as well.
Depending on what buffs your sneak attack a Forceful sneak attack can scale quite well depending on the damage of your initial hit since it's very possible that 25% of your sneak attack damage is more damage then what your initial heavy attack hit for.
This is completely NOT what actualy happening. Forcefull rank 2 doing 100% of damage to 1 additional target with 27% chance to proc instead of 27% of splash damage.
Therefore when you do ambush with 2H weapon on 2 mobs standing close enought to you, you actualy making ambush on both of them.
This is easy to check if you attack the mobs which wont die instantly with your ambush and have same ammount of HP.
When it procs, you will clearly see them both have same HP left and they both will be stunned.
That is absolutely NOT what is happening.
I just tested it. The skill works exactly as it's stated. It proced on every attack to a nearby enemy (to you) for ~25% of the damage.
Go out and test it yourself. It's definitely NOT how you stated it.
I just tested it and it work exactly how i desribed it.0 -
Supersun✭✭killedbyping wrote: »
I just tested it and it work exactly how i desribed it.
Your first post, yes. It splashes from you (though the distance isn't quite as short as you make it. It's probably about 3 meters which is more than enough to land the double sneak attack. Thinking about it the max space between 2 mobs that I can land the double sneak attack on that are facing each other is about the diameter of Volcanic Rune which also has a radius of 3 meters).
Your second post where it only activates 27% of the time, not even close.
Forceful Sneak attacks are what my character does in PvE, and I have extensively tested and played with it. I can say with certainty that it procs 100% of the time for ~25% of the damage as long as the second enemy is close enough to you.
That being said, thinking about it. IF you are using some form of additional damage on your attacks like Camouflaged Hunter it can mess with Forceful. I used to run with Camo Hunter in Vahtacen, but had to stop because it was screwing up my Forceful sneak attack. That could be why it seems like it only works 27% of the time for you.0 -
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✭Yeah, I reported this bug back in May or something last year. With a two hander, you do almost full sneak damage to an adjacent enemy.- The Psijic Order
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