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Will you cancel your subscription if the VR14 change is launched?
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case0 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present. You snipped off my post mid-sentence... which already answered that by saying, "like how PVP bags scale to you and loot drops in craglorn".Edited by Attorneyatlawl on August 20, 2014 9:47PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.1 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level because there are no older Trials to test with.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
It makes no logical sense to reward players with equipment of a higher level than the content they are doing.Edited by Maverick827 on August 20, 2014 9:48PM0 -
Rammi✭✭✭Yessuelothvar wrote: »level rises havn't made me quit in past 20 years, wont make me quit now. Level rise and new gear is the norm of the mmo, complaining about it is like complaining it gets dark every day.
All the boo hoo, I will need new gear is comical, how boring would an mporg be if you played it 3-4 months then never needed to get new gear till day servers shut.
Im sorry but the above is why game developers no longer need to try. People are happy to just do the same stuff over and over. I guess power to you if you enjoy it.
I long for a game that allows for me to develop my characters in specific ways and then once i reach a point be allowed to enjoy all elements of the game and grow via skill and challenge and not based on the numbers and gear that are associated to my character.
Why can't goals be based on achievements, creation and competition ? I think they are way more rewarding that always striving for another number next to my name or some gear that the only real value are, yes numbers.
Simplify the numbers, complicate the challenge and competition. You also create balance as well but who wants a game to be balanced when all people actually want is to find easy mode.
Edited by Rammi on August 20, 2014 9:50PMThe Champion System should have rewarded Champion Points based off of achievements and feats earned through excelling at end game content not grinding your life away vs mobs in order to stay competitive. This system is uncreative and is a great example of extremely lazy system design. Yes, you should be embarrassed1 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
________________
-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.1 -
Smiteye✭✭✭NoAttorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
*hugs her vr9 blue warlock ring*2 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).Edited by Maverick827 on August 20, 2014 9:51PM2 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
________________
-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.2 -
deathmasterl_ESO✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
That does not support your original statement that ESO has more content than other MMOs.deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »]I'd like to know which MMOs you've played that don't have as much as ESO's meager content.
When you have almost 4000 hours spent on an MMO you start to run out of stuff to do, just saying...
No where in any of my post's did I say that ESO has more content then other MMO's not once. What I said is I have run out of content to do on other MMO's because I have spent almost 4k Hours on each of them without lvl increases or expansions for months and or years.
Regardless leaving an MMO because they're adding 2 Lvls is kind of sad, but that's just my opinion.Saevus Messor Imperial Dragonknight Vr14 Aldmeri Dominion
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DaniAngione✭✭✭✭✭NoMany of us have already spoken our minds in other threads on this topic however I think it's important that ZOS understands how strongly some of us feel about this topic.
*looks at the poll results. As of now, 11% are saying 'Yes' while the staggering majority, 76% are saying 'No'.*
Well, good luck with that.
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Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
That's not how things work. Eventually when we're all VR20 or whatever, we'll be running back to complete VR12 Craglorn trials for VR20 gear? Yeah, that's not going to happen.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.1 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
That's not how things work. Eventually when we're all VR20 or whatever, we'll be running back to complete VR12 Craglorn trials for VR20 gear? Yeah, that's not going to happen.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.
We aren't VR20, and won't be for a long time to come... so what does it matter at this point in time? The way they've done things they can raise the mobs to VR20 in there at that point and let the drops scale... they aren't actual levels in the traditional way of referring to them. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on August 20, 2014 9:58PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
________________
-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.0 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Because it's the same thing as VR12 trials rewarding VR14 gear. It makes no sense to reward players with higher level gear for doing low level content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
That's not how things work. Eventually when we're all VR20 or whatever, we'll be running back to complete VR12 Craglorn trials for VR20 gear? Yeah, that's not going to happen.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.
We aren't VR20, and won't be for a long time to come... so what does it matter at this point in time?
Note how the open world Craglorn bosses are VR11 and drop loot up to VR11 even if you're VR12.
QED.Edited by Maverick827 on August 20, 2014 9:59PM1 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭NoMore ranks now please.
I was a little put off by the first increase as I thought it came too soon.
This one is overdue and I cant wait to get more quests and level my skills without dull grinding or PvP.
Looking forward to more Skyshards and Skill Points as well if they are on offer.
Edited by BrassRazoo on August 20, 2014 9:59PM1 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
This statement has an obvious meaning:deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
That does not support your original statement that ESO has more content than other MMOs.deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »]I'd like to know which MMOs you've played that don't have as much as ESO's meager content.
When you have almost 4000 hours spent on an MMO you start to run out of stuff to do, just saying...
No where in any of my post's did I say that ESO has more content then other MMO's not once. What I said is I have run out of content to do on other MMO's because I have spent almost 4k Hours on each of them without lvl increases or expansions for months and or years.
Regardless leaving an MMO because they're adding 2 Lvls is kind of sad, but that's just my opinion.deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »I've only played 4 mmo's and none of them have as much as ESO
And it isn't "I'm done with all of the content in the other MMO's I've played." You're just backtracking now because I called you out on a lie.1 -
Exarch✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »But more is not ahead of you to achieve.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
This is the way that I, and a significant number of other people, have always experienced MMOs; I fully expect never to do any raid-style end-game content in this game, very rarely having done so in any other other game. From this perspective a raise in level cap is more to do, usually by the time I hit max level the next expansion has been announced.0 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »
Because it's the same thing as VR12 trials rewarding VR14 gear. It makes no sense to reward players with higher level gear for doing low level content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
That's not how things work. Eventually when we're all VR20 or whatever, we'll be running back to complete VR12 Craglorn trials for VR20 gear? Yeah, that's not going to happen.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.
We aren't VR20, and won't be for a long time to come... so what does it matter at this point in time?
Note how the open world Craglorn bosses are VR11 and drop loot up to VR11 even if you're VR12.
QED.
The bosses aren't considered top level, they always drop up to one below. And it absolutely makes sense to scale the rewards from a design standpoint, it isn't "low level" content because veteran ranks are not levels. It's an AA system. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
________________
-In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.1 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
If you don't do raid content then this level cap increase has nothing for you. There is no casual/solo content in 1.4.Maverick827 wrote: »But more is not ahead of you to achieve.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
This is the way that I, and a significant number of other people, have always experienced MMOs; I fully expect never to do any raid-style end-game content in this game, very rarely having done so in any other other game. From this perspective a raise in level cap is more to do, usually by the time I hit max level the next expansion has been announced.0 -
KleanZlate✭✭✭NoI don't get this resentment with higher VR levels. I've met players who simply won't enter Cyrodiil unless they're at the highest level, with the strongest gear and most awesome skills. Then when they die they start with the "How did he block me? Why didn't my skill shoot off? He wasn't taking any damage! This is bullcrap! ZOS needs to fix this!!"
Listen! If you play the game your level with gradually go up! No one forces you to grind! That's all in your head. Group up, play and have fun and if you don't like doing that you can just giiiit out! 1 -
RedMiniStapler✭✭✭Depends on when it is. If it's mid November, then definitely. (but not because of the change)0 -
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Veteran ranks definitely are levels.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Because it's the same thing as VR12 trials rewarding VR14 gear. It makes no sense to reward players with higher level gear for doing low level content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
That's not how things work. Eventually when we're all VR20 or whatever, we'll be running back to complete VR12 Craglorn trials for VR20 gear? Yeah, that's not going to happen.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Those scale because you're not completing easier content to obtain them and because you're supposed to be advancing in level while you do them. Trials are end-game content.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
The rest of the game certainly does not include scaling up lower level content rewards to your current level.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Why?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
So the VR12 trials will drop VR14 gear?Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
But more is not ahead of you to achieve.Er ... no. This wouldn't make me want to cancel my sub. Still happy playing the game. Knowing more is ahead of me to achieve does not make me feel like quitting an online game.
If you are currently not at end game, all you have to look forward to is the exact last tier of content released, because there is no reason to do the previous ones.
By the time you level up to VR14 (or whatever the max is at the time), you won't be able to do Aetherian Archive or Hel Ra Citadel because everyone would have moved on.
Yeah, it's not like the loot drops scale to your current rank in the trials or anythi---oh, wait a second.
One can only assume that would be the case
Because it makes logical sense and is how the rest of the game has worked up to the present.
All of the following major reward systems scale:
-PVP bags.
-Secret reward bags.
-Trials rewards/drops.
-Craglorn world drops.
Why would you assume they are changing that in 1.4 when there has been no patch note to the contrary?
But let's wait and find out and see who's right (it will be me).
Yes, end-game content, which means they by design should scale with you regardless of your level. If you do turn out to be right (neither of us is right now because it hasn't happened yet) though it truly doesn't matter because as I said... losing 3 magicka off a trait in return for a set bonus you want when already past a 2500 level and softcapped is completely meaningless. The gear is not being "reset" or "outdated" in any way.
We aren't VR20, and won't be for a long time to come... so what does it matter at this point in time?
Note how the open world Craglorn bosses are VR11 and drop loot up to VR11 even if you're VR12.
QED.
The bosses aren't considered top level, they always drop up to one below. And it absolutely makes sense to scale the rewards from a design standpoint, it isn't "low level" content because veteran ranks are not levels. It's an AA system.1 -
GnatB✭✭✭✭Nosuelothvar wrote: »level rises havn't made me quit in past 20 years, wont make me quit now. Level rise and new gear is the norm of the mmo, complaining about it is like complaining it gets dark every day.
All the boo hoo, I will need new gear is comical, how boring would an mporg be if you played it 3-4 months then never needed to get new gear till day servers shut.
Im sorry but the above is why game developers no longer need to try. People are happy to just do the same stuff over and over. I guess power to you if you enjoy it.
I long for a game that allows for me to develop my characters in specific ways and then once i reach a point be allowed to enjoy all elements of the game and grow via skill and challenge and not based on the numbers and gear that are associated to my character.
Why can't goals be based on achievements, creation and competition ? I think they are way more rewarding that always striving for another number next to my name or some gear that the only real value are, yes numbers.
Simplify the numbers, complicate the challenge and competition. You also create balance as well but who wants a game to be balanced when all people actually want is to find easy mode.
They make plenty of games like that. They're called action games. Battlefield, Need for speed, Titanfall, CoD, etc.
Achievements Suck1 -
Exarch✭✭✭NoMaverick827 wrote: »If you don't do raid content then this level cap increase has nothing for you. There is no casual/solo content in 1.4.
/shrug It's a number to find ways to make go up, I think Oolou's point still stands.1 -
FunkheaD✭✭✭YesYou know what, I expected more than 10% to cancel their subs... but realistically, is ZOS willing to potentially lose 10% of their customer base on this design decision?
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✭✭✭✭NoEh, I can live with 10% out. Should get at least that back for the new content.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
Rammi✭✭✭Yessuelothvar wrote: »level rises havn't made me quit in past 20 years, wont make me quit now. Level rise and new gear is the norm of the mmo, complaining about it is like complaining it gets dark every day.
All the boo hoo, I will need new gear is comical, how boring would an mporg be if you played it 3-4 months then never needed to get new gear till day servers shut.
Im sorry but the above is why game developers no longer need to try. People are happy to just do the same stuff over and over. I guess power to you if you enjoy it.
I long for a game that allows for me to develop my characters in specific ways and then once i reach a point be allowed to enjoy all elements of the game and grow via skill and challenge and not based on the numbers and gear that are associated to my character.
Why can't goals be based on achievements, creation and competition ? I think they are way more rewarding that always striving for another number next to my name or some gear that the only real value are, yes numbers.
Simplify the numbers, complicate the challenge and competition. You also create balance as well but who wants a game to be balanced when all people actually want is to find easy mode.
They make plenty of games like that. They're called action games. Battlefield, Need for speed, Titanfall, CoD, etc.
Yeah I want a blend of an MMORPG and Battlefield. Alot of the systems in an MMO cannot be found in FPS like gorgeous expansive worlds, crafting, exploring. FPS PVE is usually SOLO i like to PVE with friends. . I prefer the MMO combat style over twitch based combat which can be frustrating and more sensitive to high latency situations where ESO combat is not as effected by latency (I know its still is but not as much).
As I said I'm still waiting for my holy grail!! I am glad your happy though, I can't understand it but I'm genuinely happy for you.
Edited by Rammi on August 20, 2014 10:26PMThe Champion System should have rewarded Champion Points based off of achievements and feats earned through excelling at end game content not grinding your life away vs mobs in order to stay competitive. This system is uncreative and is a great example of extremely lazy system design. Yes, you should be embarrassed1 -
NoNo, it will most definately not make me quit. I am very happy that the game is expanding and allowing me to keep progressing my character(s).
For those who choose to quit over this, I sincerely hope (for your own sake) you never intend to spend money on an MMO ever again, because raising the levelcap and introducing new gear is kinda what happens in these types of games.2 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Please actually read people's posts. The problem is with the frequency of level cap increases. I've been playing MMOs for over ten years, this isn't the standard.bearclawmcbainb16_ESO wrote: »No, it will most definately not make me quit. I am very happy that the game is expanding and allowing me to keep progressing my character(s).
For those who choose to quit over this, I sincerely hope (for your own sake) you never intend to spend money on an MMO ever again, because raising the levelcap and introducing new gear is kinda what happens in these types of games.1 -
No
*Pfft* please. Upper Craglorn is much more than just a new Raid. There is plenty to do for casuals there.Maverick827 wrote: »If you don't do raid content then this level cap increase has nothing for you. There is no casual/solo content in 1.4.
But remember, you, and all the others who voted yes, have now committed to quitting when the new ranks go live! Ah well, who are we kidding, most (if any) of those voting yes won't leave. See you ingame after the update! 2