A Trial designed for Casual players

shiva7663 · August 2014

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

shiva7663 · August 2014

For example, too much damage over a short period of time triggering boss rage buffs.

arkansas_ESO · August 2014

...why? Min/maxers would just limit themselves to the highest amount of damage they could do before triggering the boss rage or whatever.

epoling · August 2014

Sounds good to me. *smile*

moxiesauce · August 2014

Just need more fights where you can't stand still and max on dps.

mattlarsonmdl_ESO · August 2014

shiva7663 wrote: »

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

The current trials already provide that.. min/maxers compete with each other for bragging rights on times. Casuals can clear the content with a little bit of practice and not worrying about the time.

If you are asking to make a trial where you don't have to:

a) research a boss fight
b) coordinate a group of like minded people
c) work on getting easy to obtain purple gear and learn a simple dps rotation

then no. This game (and other MMO's for that matter)are already dumbed down enough. Find something else to enjoy like pvp or leveling alts, questing.

Nestor · August 2014

I do think there should be Trials for the 1 to 50 folks. Scale the place to average level of the group, and no VR Ranks allowed. They could even re-instance the existing Group Dungeons or even some of the Public Dungeons. Then they could offer Trials for 1 to 15, 15 to 30 etc. Maybe unlock a Trial as soon as you finish the Mini MQ for the Zone.

Sure, the rewards won't be as nice, the trials won't be as complex or as long, but it would be good practice for those who are working their way up the ranks.

Just make it a choice when you enter the Dungeon, do you want a Trial or a Group Dungeon exp. Trials don't have to be for the Elite.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

mattlarsonmdl_ESO wrote: »

shiva7663 wrote: »

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

The current trials already provide that.. min/maxers compete with each other for bragging rights on times. Casuals can clear the content with a little bit of practice and not worrying about the time.

If you are asking to make a trial where you don't have to:

a) research a boss fight
b) coordinate a group of like minded people
c) work on getting easy to obtain purple gear and learn a simple dps rotation

then no. This game (and other MMO's for that matter)are already dumbed down enough. Find something else to enjoy like pvp or leveling alts, questing.

I like how you mention pvp like it's easier. Protip: there are no red circles or combat cues in pvp, you actually have to think and not stand still.

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO · August 2014

I wouldn't mind seeing a Storymode option to Trials, like in SWTOR or WoW.
Make it so that you get no gear, no achievements (maybe a Storymode Completed achievement) and no leaderboard score.
That way those who would like to see the story unfold in the Trial, but don't like to raid, can experience it without reaping the benefits of the Trial being an easier version.

Anastasia · August 2014

mattlarsonmdl_ESO wrote: »

shiva7663 wrote: »

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

The current trials already provide that.. min/maxers compete with each other for bragging rights on times. Casuals can clear the content with a little bit of practice and not worrying about the time.

If you are asking to make a trial where you don't have to:

a) research a boss fight
b) coordinate a group of like minded people
c) work on getting easy to obtain purple gear and learn a simple dps rotation

then no. This game (and other MMO's for that matter)are already dumbed down enough. Find something else to enjoy like pvp or leveling alts, questing.

Yes, that is what I'm reading here. The question is being asked for this MMO to have "ESO Trials, Jr."

Hmm. Hmm. Hm.

Csub · August 2014

While I see your point, don't forget that casual people do not necessarily equal to dumb people or people who cannot play.

Skafsgaard · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how you mention pvp like it's easier. Protip: there are no red circles or combat cues in pvp, you actually have to think and not stand still.

ring ring...

So a siege doesnt leave red circle? a banner doesnt? a nova doesnt? an oil doesnt?

Only replyning here since ur other post, there are TONNES of red circles in pvp...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

God I just want that stupid julianos white dye. PUGs are awful though, they take 2 hours to form up so you can fail repeatedly, assuming everyone sticks around,

Circuitous · August 2014

I don't feel like the name "trial" is appropriate for such content.

gunplummer · August 2014

I would be ok with a causal trial version. Sometimes I like to run low level areas or dungeons on non-vet difficultly just to explore to harvest and see if I missed anything. Not having to constantly go balls to the wall is kind of a nice break. These are also great areas to grind heals and blocks for achievements. This type of "play my way" is spot on.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I think this defeats the point of a trial, really.

Circuitous · August 2014

Couldn't you just do the trial...? You don't lose if you don't complete it in a certain time. No one will know if it took you an hour, 'cuz you won't show up on the leaderboards. It's fine. Go enjoy some solid PvE content at your own pace.

Wifeaggro13 · August 2014

shiva7663 wrote: »

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

All they need to do is make a trial with no limited res letting the Casual guilds progress with out having to reset after three wipes. its really that simple, thats the only thing that makes trials diffcult, is the lame design .

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I think this defeats the point of a trial, really.

Pretty much , this idea makes no sense at all.

I mean , you could ask for "trials" that doesnt keep scores or much easier trials that any PUB can do...

Moonscythe · August 2014

Csub wrote: »

While I see your point, don't forget that casual people do not necessarily equal to dumb people or people who cannot play.

True, but casual rather implies limited time for preparation and for play even if they are smarter than the average bear. I kind of like the idea of lower level trials so the "toe dippers" can find out if they like the experience because there are those of us who don't find dying a dozen gruesome deaths necessarily fun or educational.

SirEwan · August 2014

I would argue that HRC & AA normal mode can be completed by casual players as long as they co-ordinate well. I have been in a couple of PUGs that completed the trials. With enough practice anyone can do these, and making an "easy mode trial" would defeat the purpose of the trials anyhow.

Anastasia · August 2014

Csub wrote: »

While I see your point, don't forget that casual people do not necessarily equal to dumb people or people who cannot play.

(*) Noted and agreed with. (*)

Anastasia · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

Couldn't you just do the trial...? You don't lose if you don't complete it in a certain time. No one will know if it took you an hour, 'cuz you won't show up on the leaderboards. It's fine. Go enjoy some solid PvE content at your own pace.

Seemingly good suggestion Circuitous. However, a reminder might be good here about how that there are cumulative dps bars in place from the first boss inward in Trial challenges. Even if you aren't racing the clock, because - enrage timers. So some planning is still in order.

shadowz081 · August 2014

Trials difficulty right now is not really the problem, rather it is the builds that some players use that makes it more difficult than it really is. And playing as duel wield and 2h against some of the bosses makes you a liability instead of an asset even if they did buff Stam DPS to be comparable to LA and staffs.

mattlarsonmdl_ESO · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mattlarsonmdl_ESO wrote: »

shiva7663 wrote: »

I'd like to see ESO include a Trial that, by design, casual players will win and leet mini-maxers will fail for being too efficient and doing too much damage.

The current trials already provide that.. min/maxers compete with each other for bragging rights on times. Casuals can clear the content with a little bit of practice and not worrying about the time.

If you are asking to make a trial where you don't have to:

a) research a boss fight
b) coordinate a group of like minded people
c) work on getting easy to obtain purple gear and learn a simple dps rotation

then no. This game (and other MMO's for that matter)are already dumbed down enough. Find something else to enjoy like pvp or leveling alts, questing.

I like how you mention pvp like it's easier. Protip: there are no red circles or combat cues in pvp, you actually have to think and not stand still.

I didn't say that and didn't mean to imply that. My point was that OP look to find enjoyment in another aspects of the game. (I actually agree that PVP is more challenging. My point wasn't to go down the whole road of which is harder.)

Protip: don't be so sensitive and read into things that aren't there.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · August 2014

Dragonstar Arena is pretty much what you are asking.

It's for 4 people only instead of 12 and as I understood you gain progressive loot even if you eventually fail.

I have hopes it is as fun as those old school heroes defenses or the Magicka challenge modes.

xaraan · August 2014

I would just be happy if they got rid of the rez limitation on the trials - rez's already add to the time, so it's not like someone that needs extra rez's will be posting great times. But I think it would open the content up to more players that way.

Kos · August 2014

I have a better idea. The game should scale so no matter what you do the result is always the same. Perfect balance.