My Nightblade is now a Nightstick

Nestor · August 2014

I had to do it. I went in to see Mannimarco and could not get past the first Boss. My Sorc and DK I could take through. I was doing the DPS, but I could not maintain resources to sustain the fight. My AoE was not as strong as my other two characters, and one of those is a DK. I always said I would never use a stick with my NB, but yesterday I just had to switch. My Build was MA 1H/S and Bow. I did not try 2H as those enemies were the easiest to beat in PvE. Probably different in PvE

I switched out the Bow for a Destruction Staff and had to go into Coldharbor with it. The staff was level 16, I was at level 46, so that's where I was going to get the exp. I was concerned at first as I knew my Bladed NB would have issues with some of the multiple mobs. Nope, pretty much a faceroll in Coldharbor from the get go. I will soon have Impulse and then it's all good.

We need some Stamina Love, and not just Stamina Abilities on the hot bar. When I hit with my sword, I want to do 150 to 250 base damage, heavy giving more and possible crits on top. Make it cost stamina to swing the sword even for light attacks so we can't just spam the left mouse key. Just stop making us use Stamina for running and just use Stamina for fighting/blocking. Give us a reason to dump Attribute points into Stamina and Stamina regen. Create a derived Endurance stat to cover running.

Stamina builds are now fixed. The balance details are up to you.

Well, I think it is a good idea.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Speaking of balance: did you balance your bars before deciding you needed to switch to a staff build?

I've cleared trials on my VR12 dual-wield/bow Nightblade. And on both that character and my sword-and-board Templar, I cleared Mannimarco on the first go. Any build can beat him so long as you know how to use your abilities.

Is there still some fine-tuning to be done with stamina-based abilities? Yes. But in your situation, I'm familiar enough with the class and build possibilities to know that you just didn't load your bar out effectively. That's not a balance issue.

Kvasir Silverpaw · August 2014

Funny post. Yes Nightblades need some love. And please not by nerfing sorc or dk...again.

KenCleanAirSystem · August 2014

My NB, who is strictly a bow, medium armor and class abilities based (balanced Stamina/Magicka) had no trouble with Mannimarco at level 44. It was a tough fight, perhaps the toughest boss so far (currently VR2), but I managed it in the first try.

There may be more balancing to do, but at least for PvE, I haven't found the need to put on a dress or carry a broomstick.

Azzuria · August 2014

Mannimarco was a chump. As a 43 Bosmer Nightblade, Bow / Dual Wield, he was literally a cake walk. Nothing in that fight was remotely difficult. Slightly challenging but hardly 'hard'.

Royalroacho · August 2014

I really liked that mannimarco fight. im DW/bow nightblade, i died a couple times when he summoned the shades. I switched some skills around, my only aoe was Veil of Blades. I morphed the silver bolts skill to the multishot version, and he went down pretty easily. Maybe stam is gimped, but using a staff doesnt feel right. I dont feel like an unstoppable death machine, but playing around with different abilities, I haven't found anything that was too difficult to handle. Maybe try new combinations?

Cody · August 2014

when I fought him with my NB archer, I had trouble because the AI companions did not get any of his agro, he only focused on me. I also did not have any potions, and my only AOE(scorched earth) was not powerful enough to deal with the adds. I ended up hiding behind the pillars and letting lyris follow and attack him, I would pop out on occasion to hit him a few times. if I would have had some potions, it would have went a lot better.

Nestor · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Speaking of balance: did you balance your bars before deciding you needed to switch to a staff build?

I've cleared trials on my VR12 dual-wield/bow Nightblade.

I did not have Dual Wield. Every Dual Wield I meet in PvE is a push over and barely damages me. So, I went Staff instead of Bow. I might try to build up Dual Wield when I am done with the MQ, but I just need to get past these last two fights.

It's probably as much a function of taking 3 characters one after the other through the latter stages of the MQ. It gets old doing these fights over and over again. Want to get it done and over with.

xMovingTarget · August 2014

Not the nightblade needs love. not at all. the Stamina based "spells" or weapons skills just need love! thats all.
Its not about what class. Every class has the same issue when it comes to stamina. So please dont make this about nightblades again.

Also, in the world of The Elder Scrolls, the Nightblade was always ment to be a mage. A little thiefy one, but always a mage.

What you want is to make your Nightblade an Assassin. So correctly you are doing right using a staff.

kitsinni · August 2014

You can do NB with DW/Bow in fact any weapon. If it is too difficult for you then get a staff abut quit whining about this already. The horse is dead. NB's excel in PvP using bow/dw and any other weapon and I have seen them complete all PvE content using it. Especially with the last patch set bonuses it can do a lot of damage you just have to have some skill and think a bit.

.. and I beat mannimarco and molag bal with a stamina NB before they got any buffs.

moxiesauce · August 2014

Kvasir Silverpaw wrote: »

Funny post. Yes Nightblades need some love. And please not by nerfing sorc or dk...again.

NB's are fine, clearly just need a dress and stick xD

crislevin · August 2014

NB is powerful enough, its dps can be enormous as is. If you are not comfortable with it, you may want to switch class, instead of asking to "(un)balance" the classes again.

firstdecan · August 2014

moxiesauce wrote: »

Kvasir Silverpaw wrote: »

Funny post. Yes Nightblades need some love. And please not by nerfing sorc or dk...again.

NB's are fine, clearly just need a dress and stick xD

Cross Dressers Online?

Thralgaf · August 2014

My NB is bow/DW. No issues with that fight. Magnum ***/siphon/siphon strikes/siphoning ultimate and DW AOE attack. Easy peasey.

Nestor · August 2014

So, in reading this thread a NB who doe not have DW, will have the deck stacked against them.

Something was done in the last patch as now my NB is not wimp anymore. I still have not gone DW (I probably will) but 1H/S is serving him quite well. I can one shot almost any single mob from VR1 to 5, those that are not one shotted are just a couple sword swings away from Oblivion. I don't know how much stronger the Bosses are in the VR content, but the ones I have been encountering have been challenges, but nothing insurmountable. Instead of "How am I going to survive this fight" now it's "What is the most efficient way to win this fight"

In any event, the Staff has helped, but I did not need it for Molag Bal, I used my 1H/S to take him down. However, prior to the last patch, there was no way I was going to take my NB into see Mr. Bal. Now he is running rough shod over the EP

Aeratus · August 2014

Contrary to what others say, nightstick is pretty fun. I switched a long time ago and haven't looked back.

Also, to those complaining about bathrobe and broomstick characters, here is what I suggest:

1. Use the altmer motif for your staff. It looks like a spear with two blades attached.

2. Use jerkins rather than robes. Seriously.

3. Dye your armor all black.

jrgray93 · August 2014

Don't mind nerevarine1138. It's his sworn duty to respond to every thread and tell you about how his characters are so awesome, he runs trials all the time, and you're so wrong and stupid for not building yours the same way as his.

You are exact reason I try to stay away from trials guilds and other "hardcore" players.

Here I was, thinking the game was marketed for "playing how you want." Turns out it was "play how nerevarine1138 wants."