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wow style raids or trails?
gimpdrb14_ESO
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Would you rather have wow style of raiding or stick with trails?
Edited by gimpdrb14_ESO on August 19, 2014 1:14PM wow style raids or trails? 73 votes
wow style raids
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20 votes
eso trails
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53 votes
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KitLightning✭✭✭✭Is wow style raid a bunch of fashion concerned players, raiding cities for fabrics and dyes that are out of season?"I'd rather be insane in a sane world, than sane in an insane world!" ~MeWarning - This is a spoiler and looking at it for too long may cause irrecoverable eyesight issues.
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Azraeel✭✭✭eso trailsI don't know what trail is, but anything is better than WoW raids. I personally prefer duo and solo content over raids.5 -
drallar✭✭✭I haven't experience the Trials yet so I am not going to vote on your poll. Your options listed however show a strong bias towards WoW style raids and against the current Trial format, not really a good idea in a fair poll.Edited by drallar on August 19, 2014 1:18PM1
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Vuron✭✭✭✭✭I'd like to have both. Trials are good when you have a smaller guild or group and limited time. I'd like to have another option that takes a good bit of effort and time to get through and could be considered actual end-game content. I just don't feel like something that takes 9 minutes and gives no reward should be considered the ultimate end-game goal.
I'm not sure we need huge raids, though. Something in the line of EQ2's 24 man raids that take 1-2 hours would be good for me.
Edited by Vuron on August 19, 2014 1:36PM3 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭wow style raidsLets put it this way - Id like progression raiding added to the game...P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭wow style raidsI would have liked to see a 'BOTH' option !
However, given the choices we had... WoW style raids.
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✭✭✭✭✭eso trailsTwo separate games. No need to make ESO just like every other MMO out there.Sweetrolls for all!
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Denaia✭✭✭✭wow style raidsI would like a mix of both to be honest. What I like about trials is that I can do them quickly (in roughly an hour) but I do miss the epicness raids in other mmo's have, mostly because most fights are just zerging and speedrunning it as fast as possible.
What would solve most the issues with the current trials is fixing 1.itemization (it sucks) 2.soul reservoir (it sucks) 3.It's timed so progressing isn't fun 4.it's too easy (you only zerg pretty much)
So what I would suggest is go for a mix between the raids other mmo's have and the trials eso have. Make it a normal 'raid' that can be completed fast (under 2 hours) without lockouts and difficult fights and then have a second layer on top of that called 'trials' where you have the soul reservoir and the timed part.
It would make them much more interesting for me atleast, as I have no interest in speed running them. (it's just not fun)Edited by Denaia on August 19, 2014 2:28PM1 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭I like trials, but I wouldn't mind seeing Raids thrown in there... ESO STYLE. In fact I'd love large scale content like that in the world of ESO. I'm not a big fan of WoW, the game was just too "kiddish" for my tastes.1 -
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✭I wouldn't really mind if it was possible to get a group to run them that didn't order you to change to a dress and a staff.
MMO players are slowly ruining MMOs for me, in the old days it would have been easy to find players willing to go against the grain, just to see what would happen. Now it seems like unless you're doing content in 30 seconds then no one wants to know.
I guess that's why we have guilds but even then the "do it quick quick quick" rule seems to apply.0 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭eso trailsYou mean keep doing the same damm dungeon over and over and over so that one damm boss after the other still dont drop the items you need for your char?
No thank you ,im not that young anymore , im happy without that in this game."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭wow style raidsNox_Aeterna wrote: »You mean keep doing the same damm dungeon over and over and over so that one damm boss after the other still dont drop the items you need for your char?
No thank you ,im not that young anymore , im happy without that in this game.
and exactly how does that differ from the Trials we have now ?
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Braddass✭✭✭talk about choosing between the fire and the frying pan ...
I left wow because of the raid or die mentality the Devs had there. I hope ESO sticks to primarily solo and 4 man content.Edited by Braddass on August 19, 2014 2:35PM0 -
Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭ESO trail is ok, but Oregon Trail > ESO Trail.
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✭✭✭✭✭eso trailsESO trail is ok, but Oregon Trail > ESO Trail.
I can't wait until they make the dysentery and cholera resistance chaps in the next patch!
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭eso trailsNox_Aeterna wrote: »You mean keep doing the same damm dungeon over and over and over so that one damm boss after the other still dont drop the items you need for your char?
No thank you ,im not that young anymore , im happy without that in this game.
and exactly how does that differ from the Trials we have now ?
Atleast for now the best doesnt deppend only on trials :P.
I hope it remains that way.
With that said , sesonal gear is coming and we still dont know how it works."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭In all seriousness:
Neither is great. WoW raids are old and dead and crappy now. Anybody who didn't experience them between when Naxxramas 1.0 and Sunwell were the end game content really missed out on when they were good. The garbage they call raiding now is literally the same *** over and over and is awful.
The trials are too easily overcome by class stacking and overpowered DPS comps since they are time based.
ESO needs more story based content, veteran dungeons, and maybe some large-group world bosses.
Raids where a giant evil thing has some trash "guarding" then just stands there smiling has no place in the Elder Scrolls universe.
Some Mehrunes Dagon/Mythic Dawn, Mephala, Boethiah, and Namira based quest lines with some 4 or 12 man content tied to them would be pretty awesome, but a "raid" or "trial" isn't ultimately good for anything.0 -
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✭wow style raidsgimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »Would you rather have wow style of raiding or stick with trails?
Im voting WOW style raids because thats the only option. i prefered EQ 2 raids to all of it . Plenty of roles very cordinated group effort . and it was not stack DPs and ignore mechanics.
trials are a poor representation of end game . Limited res is a cheap way to block progression and completely caters to the meta elite that figured out ways to out math the system.Which is not a bag on the elite at all i applaud them for figuring out ZOS's crazy some what broken game. It definately took skill and and knowledge.
But the truth is after going through them most. of the mechanics can be avoided , stack DPS , out heal mechanics and stay out of Red. they don't really offer a working family mans casual progression in them with the time sink of reforming the group. that usually takes longer then getting to the boss your stuck on.2 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭wow style raidsNox_Aeterna wrote: »You mean keep doing the same damm dungeon over and over and over so that one damm boss after the other still dont drop the items you need for your char?
No thank you ,im not that young anymore , im happy without that in this game.
Random drops is not the only way to do raid itemization...
Also, how do trials work currently in that department?P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭eso trailsI thought ESO trials were supposed to be their "raid-equivalent". What's the actual difference between Trials and Raids that this poll is discussing?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭None of the above here are my reasons,
1. Inaccessible
As a former raid leader I can assure you that picking members is always about what they do and not who they are. I often had to bench players because the encounter needed another class more than their own. Besides that to raid in an MMO you must sacrifice a lot from your RL.
If you work, have kids and a husband or wife then you either sacrifice your RL friends or you cant raid. Not a good thing in my opinion so that raiding often is only for those who are not that busy in RL.
2. Percentages
At WOW only about 5% see the final raid every tier, so you need to allow the question if such content actually needs to be part of an MMO at all. While I agree that raiding was a key part since about 2001 until late 2008 in MMOs it kind of lost its appeal to the masses.
3. Elitism
Todays players tend to be very rude towards those not that skilled or far in the game. Its often expressed by DPS meters, GS or similar numbers. The player itself doesn't matter anymore and this creates a very hostile community.
So no group content at all?
No, quite the opposite actually. Group content yes, but it should be open world content where you don't need to apply to but can join or leave whenever you want.
Specific events could happen, battlezones could open and in those encounters appear that would need to be taken down by the players. Everyone who contributes could gain something, maybe unlocking a treasure cave that can be done solo and is based on character movement and riddles similar to Tomb Raider puzzles.
This would bring people voluntarily together and create a nice community feeling in the same time.
In my opinion Devs should focus on new and unique things rather than the old boring raids that every MMO has.3 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I doubt the figure for COH is any larger, or for the Trials and 'dungeon' Craglorn content in general.At WOW only about 5% see the final raid every tier, so you need to allow the question if such content actually needs to be part of an MMO at all.
COH is materially different from a 'raid', how?In my opinion Devs should focus on new and unique things rather than the old boring raids that every MMO has.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 19, 2014 2:51PM1 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭wow style raidsI thought ESO trials were supposed to be their "raid-equivalent". What's the actual difference between Trials and Raids that this poll is discussing?
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭wow style raidsNone of the above here are my reasons,
1. Inaccessible
As a former raid leader I can assure you that picking members is always about what they do and not who they are. I often had to bench players because the encounter needed another class more than their own. Besides that to raid in an MMO you must sacrifice a lot from your RL.
If you work, have kids and a husband or wife then you either sacrifice your RL friends or you cant raid. Not a good thing in my opinion so that raiding often is only for those who are not that busy in RL.
2. Percentages
At WOW only about 5% see the final raid every tier, so you need to allow the question if such content actually needs to be part of an MMO at all. While I agree that raiding was a key part since about 2001 until late 2008 in MMOs it kind of lost its appeal to the masses.
3. Elitism
Todays players tend to be very rude towards those not that skilled or far in the game. Its often expressed by DPS meters, GS or similar numbers. The player itself doesn't matter anymore and this creates a very hostile community.
So no group content at all?
No, quite the opposite actually. Group content yes, but it should be open world content where you don't need to apply to but can join or leave whenever you want.
Specific events could happen, battlezones could open and in those encounters appear that would need to be taken down by the players. Everyone who contributes could gain something, maybe unlocking a treasure cave that can be done solo and is based on character movement and riddles similar to Tomb Raider puzzles.
This would bring people voluntarily together and create a nice community feeling in the same time.
In my opinion Devs should focus on new and unique things rather than the old boring raids that every MMO has.
It exists and its called Gw2 it was a horrid system for those that like challenging real group content. You can never get real challenge from open world zerg content. Sure games have it but it should never be relied upon as end game content. its usaly cheese ball mechanics that are for the player base that wants a participation trophy.1 -
eso trailsI like what they're doing. Make your own way. This IMO is already different. Keep it so. Tuning is what it needs, not remaking the wheel in game anywaysThere is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today...”
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sotonin✭✭✭wow style raidsReal raids are the main end game content that ESO is lacking. I surely hope they add it, even if it's optional because a lot of people won't be dedicated enough to take part, it should be there for those who want to work towards it.1
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✭wow style raidsIt's sad and funny to see people voting for trials and then stating why why don't like raids without realizing their dislikes also apply for trials as well.1 -
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✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »You mean keep doing the same damm dungeon over and over and over so that one damm boss after the other still dont drop the items you need for your char?
No thank you ,im not that young anymore , im happy without that in this game.
Thats exactly how you also describe the TRIALS in ESO
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sotonin✭✭✭wow style raidsThe only difference between raids and trials is the number of people involved. Large guilds need events that involve a large number of people.
Although the guild system as it currently is lacks the functionality or seriousness raids will require. Until ZOS does away with its god awful guild vendor system and implements an auction house guilds will never be serious enough to do this sort of thing anyways.
I don't give 2 sheets about any of the guilds i'm in, they are just guild store vessels. There's no sense of belonging / pride with ZOS' current guild system.
They need to scrap it and go back to the norm, 1 guild per character. Why the hell do you want to force ALL of my characters into a guild. What if i just want one character in a specific guild, not all of them?Edited by sotonin on August 19, 2014 3:13PM2