Please do something about mage telport spamming

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

Make it so a huge text wall covers your screen before they pres BE. "The sorc you have engaged is pressing Bolt....NOW" Then Ill be able to stop what Im doing and block.

Hell, let's add an entire button-by-button screen 'tips' section for pvp!

Samadhi · August 2014

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

The people responding to me are doing so for no reason...

1) I was saying cloak was rubbish compared to bolt so saying that going cloak wont activate the speed boost is just agreeing with me so STOP replying with dumb responses. (thus because the cloak wouldnt help speed so proves my point even more)

2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....

3) It does not mater if you can or cant or if you use the method I was talking about to go stealth while using cloak because the end point I was making was that cloak is rubbish compared to bolt....

OMFG wish people would bloody read and or not try to prove a point that I was already trying to state...

So much pointless.

I fully agree with and respect the point that Cloak is not an effective escape tool.

All I did was correct the incorrect information you posted about Cloak.

It's possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when not in combat. I do so frequently.
It's not possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when in combat. Doing so does not make the Nightblade undetected or out of combat, and the speed of being a vampire with Night's Silence does not activate.

A regular Nightblade and a vampire Nightblade with Night's Silence set have the exact same capacity to escape combat.
There isn't some sort of setup that turns Cloak into something spectacular. It remains the same lackluster skill regardless of how the Nightblade builds.

How do you not get this.... I am (anyone can) able to do something before going into cloak that allows me to get the bonus as if I am in sneak, IF you do it the NORMAL way it WONT work but IF you do SOMETHING (which I wont explain here) you can go into cloak and get the bonus as stealthed! Thus why after every cloak I get a crit off.

[snip]

*edit* even when in combat you can get into cloak as stealthed if you do this trick... jesus just understand plssssss omfg just read.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Shadowy Disguise morph gives 100% added crit rate to Cloak.
It's quite easy to build to get a Crit on every Cloak cast.
It still doesn't put a Nightblade into Sneak though. It says "Hidden" to indicate invisibility is active.

You have yet to put forth anything that supports your claim that Nightblade vampires can more easily escape combat than regular Nightblades by using Cloak.

By contrast, it is possible to utilize a flawed game mechanic to remove a character from combat and enter into Sneak earlier than intended by the flow of regular gameplay.
Given my previous communications with CS regarding the issue back when I learned of it, I prefer to abstain from exploiting it.

Vatter · August 2014

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · August 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

The people responding to me are doing so for no reason...

1) I was saying cloak was rubbish compared to bolt so saying that going cloak wont activate the speed boost is just agreeing with me so STOP replying with dumb responses. (thus because the cloak wouldnt help speed so proves my point even more)

2) There is a way to activate stealth going into cloak, I ALREADY KNOW it is a different mechanic and that using cloak does not activate stealth, ffs I even said that. What I was saying and you all ignored was that there is ANOTHER way to activate stealth while going into cloak.... I wont say how but people are using it....

3) It does not mater if you can or cant or if you use the method I was talking about to go stealth while using cloak because the end point I was making was that cloak is rubbish compared to bolt....

OMFG wish people would bloody read and or not try to prove a point that I was already trying to state...

So much pointless.

I fully agree with and respect the point that Cloak is not an effective escape tool.

All I did was correct the incorrect information you posted about Cloak.

It's possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when not in combat. I do so frequently.
It's not possible to go from Cloak directly into Hidden Sneak when in combat. Doing so does not make the Nightblade undetected or out of combat, and the speed of being a vampire with Night's Silence does not activate.

A regular Nightblade and a vampire Nightblade with Night's Silence set have the exact same capacity to escape combat.
There isn't some sort of setup that turns Cloak into something spectacular. It remains the same lackluster skill regardless of how the Nightblade builds.

How do you not get this.... I am (anyone can) able to do something before going into cloak that allows me to get the bonus as if I am in sneak, IF you do it the NORMAL way it WONT work but IF you do SOMETHING (which I wont explain here) you can go into cloak and get the bonus as stealthed! Thus why after every cloak I get a crit off.

[snip]

*edit* even when in combat you can get into cloak as stealthed if you do this trick... jesus just understand plssssss omfg just read.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Shadowy Disguise morph gives 100% added crit rate to Cloak.
It's quite easy to build to get a Crit on every Cloak cast.
It still doesn't put a Nightblade into Sneak though. It says "Hidden" to indicate invisibility is active.

You have yet to put forth anything that supports your claim that Nightblade vampires can more easily escape combat than regular Nightblades by using Cloak.

By contrast, it is possible to utilize a flawed game mechanic to remove a character from combat and enter into Sneak earlier than intended by the flow of regular gameplay.
Given my previous communications with CS regarding the issue back when I learned of it, I prefer to abstain from exploiting it.

Wow you really still dont get it? /facepalm

THERE IS A METHOD IN WHICH YOU CAN BE STANDING NEXT TO A ENEMY AND IN COMBAT AND TO ACTIVATE A CLOAK AND GO INTO NOT ONLY INVISIBILITY BUT STEALTH TO ACTIVATE STUNS ETC. IF YOU STILL DONT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE METHODS PEOPLE ARE USING TO GET PAST THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF NOT GOING STEALTH WHEN USING CLOAK THEN YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS AND DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO READ.....

The caps and bold are to allow you to focus real hard on what I am saying. You obviously are not paying attention when you read or have a "I know it all" personality AND OR a "if I dont know how to then it does not exist or work" mentality.

I have no other way of explaining this, I am at a end of rope situation and I will begin to break forums rules by calling you names if you dont get it after this post. So this will have to be the last one in reply to you.

You can go on thinking that there is no way to go stealth while entering cloak if you want.

Education system are really letting people down, god damn.

*edit* said way of going REAL stealth while going into cloak (visible stealth) is not a exploit just a simple press of something pre using cloak....

*second edit although there is obviously no point* How can it not be a valid point towards vamp when it allows them to move faster with relation to passives and skills? ESPECIALLY with the known ability to do stealth into cloak and thus activate said bonus speed....

Samadhi · August 2014

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

...I am (anyone can) able to do something before going into cloak that allows me to get the bonus as if I am in sneak,...Thus why after every cloak I get a crit off.
...
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

zac_sooleprb18_ESO wrote: »

...
...THERE ARE METHODS PEOPLE ARE USING TO GET PAST THE NORMAL MECHANICS OF NOT GOING STEALTH WHEN USING CLOAK THEN YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS AND DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO READ.....

...You obviously are not paying attention when you read or have a ..."if I dont know how to then it does not exist or work" mentality.

...I will begin to break forums rules by calling you names...
...

Samadhi wrote: »

...it is possible to utilize a flawed game mechanic to remove a character from combat and enter into Sneak earlier than intended by the flow of regular gameplay.
Given my previous communications with CS regarding the issue back when I learned of it, I prefer to abstain from exploiting it.

Lionxoft · August 2014

Kirsika wrote: »

Zenimax can't hold your block button for you.

PvP for ya in a nutshell. Hold down that block button all...day...long.

hasselhoffman · August 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

im not arguing anything, but the person who originally posted said that sorcs dont even roll out of talons because they can teleport OUT of it, which is not true, they can teleport with it ON them, but they still have to rolldodge to get out of it.

all im doing is correcting your statement, whether or not sorcs should be able to teleport with it on them, is something i dont have an opinion on one way or another

That's picking on semantics to ignore the essence of the statement. Which is that Sorcs can move to their direction of choice (by teleporting) while rooted without having to roll, and all other classes can't. And that also by teleporting through you they do damage and stun you to boot.

Whether in relation to the talons they are in, out, in out, shake it all about...I couldn't care less.

You can't bolt in your direction of choice while rooted, you can only bolt forward. If you want to turn you need to roll out of them.

So who cares if a sorc can bolt escape while rooted Talons? It's an AOE root.

Are we crying that a DK can reflective scales almost every Sorc ability? Crystal Fragments, Power Overload, Mages Fury Explosion...all get reflected by a single ability that DKs have. Like you we learn to deal with it, that's part of the matchup.

Sorcs are the most mobile class in the game and there isn't a Sorc in the game who can bolt escape more than I can right now.

Pre nerf I could Bolt Escape 14 times in a row. Post nerf I could do 7. Now I can do 10, but my entire build and gear is built around it and few sorcs come close to it.

Since most garbage sorcs run Streak these days, try sending a sorc to chase them down. It is only those who have Ball Lightning that are a PITA to catch but it can be done.

Nightblades with the right setup can now SNEAK as fast as I can bolt escape. I had one chase me across half the map before I had to turn and kill him. I'm not complaining on the forums about Night blades....or the fact that pretty much every Templar in the game does nothing but spam Sun shield and you have to run them OOM before you can kill them which takes a long damn time even with multiple people.

The point is, it's fine. Just because you're not having success killing every sorc you see doesn't mean they need nerfed. When I'm doing my daily quests, my Sorc kills tick as fast or faster than any other class.

Lol, ezareth, you are the biggest blinker I know of, but I agree with you.

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Hey, let's just remove all cc that sorcs have and let them be an AP pinata, sounds good mate.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Hey, let's just remove all cc that sorcs have and let them be an AP pinata, sounds good mate.

They should only do that to the AD sorcs.

bitaken · August 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Hey, let's just remove all cc that sorcs have and let them be an AP pinata, sounds good mate.

They should only do that to the AD sorcs.

I would agree with this proposal. Consider this a second vote. Leave DC sorcs alone thank you very much.

NorthernFury · August 2014

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Good tactics are good.

It's not BE that is causing you to die. It's the coordination of a good group using synergies between classes. You might as well argue nerfing talons, bats, impulse, DK's, groups, tactics, etc. It's equally as LOL.

Vizier · August 2014

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Good tactics are good.

It's not BE that is causing you to die. It's the coordination of a good group using synergies between classes. You might as well argue nerfing talons, bats, impulse, DK's, groups, tactics, etc. It's equally as LOL.

It's a spammable stun that is largely OP as an offensive tactic used in conjunction with other skills. The stun should only be active on an initial streak to facilitate ability to flee should the Sorc actually be using Bolt Escape to escape. It's offensive use should be limited by deactivating stun if used within four seconds from last use.

That will keep the ability free to use offensively during duels and initial contact but provides more risk for a sorc should he be trying to pin targets as they will be able to react during secondary streaks and gives greater opportunity for groups to disburse when trying to avoid the OMGWTF OP AOE Win buttons.

NorthernFury · August 2014

Vizier wrote: »

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Good tactics are good.

It's not BE that is causing you to die. It's the coordination of a good group using synergies between classes. You might as well argue nerfing talons, bats, impulse, DK's, groups, tactics, etc. It's equally as LOL.

It's a spammable stun that is largely OP as an offensive tactic used in conjunction with other skills. The stun should only be active on an initial streak to facilitate ability to flee should the Sorc actually be using Bolt Escape to escape. It's offensive use should be limited by deactivating stun if used within four seconds from last use.

That will keep the ability free to use offensively during duels and initial contact but provides more risk for a sorc should he be trying to pin targets as they will be able to react during secondary streaks and gives greater opportunity for groups to disburse when trying to avoid the OMGWTF OP AOE Win buttons.

A number of skills can be slotted that completely counteract BE. It's not anything close to OP.

Teargrants · August 2014

If getting stunned by streak is a serious problem to you I have just one question. Do you even block?

Maulkin · August 2014

Kirsika wrote: »

If getting stunned by streak is a serious problem to you I have just one question. Do you even block?

To be fair, there's very little reaction time and no visual cue of an incoming Streaker. It's instant cast and the Sorc just disappears and the next thing you know is you're stunned and he/she is behind you. But thankfully it's easy to distinguish Sorcs because they wear robes and hold staffs...oh wait!

I don't think holding block all the time is realistic anyway because of the reduced mobility. I prefer to use immovable when entering combat and keeping it up for as much as possible. As a Sorc myself I just Blink through anything so I don't need my stamina for roll-dodging :P

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Fun fact: every time you complain about BE, your IQ level goes down by 1.37 points!

bgoldbeck21_ESO · August 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Fun fact: every time you complain about BE, your IQ level goes down by 1.37 points!

This isn't being constructive. To me, I'm not sure if I would say BE is overpowered for sure, but I will say that I found going against somebody with this play style to be extremely not fun. That's the core issue for me, pvp should be enjoyable.

Sunrock · August 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

This is still abused wholesale. Please do something about it. Really tire dof mages being able to perma port and still suffer no mana issues

If you are a templar and use spear charge or use two handed critical charge weapon, shield charge from h1+S or any other charge skill they can never escape you with bolt escape.

PS: Always use immovable from heavy armor skill.

Morticielle · August 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

This is still abused wholesale.

What actually is "abused wholesale" is coming here and asking for a nerf, because one is a very inept player and can't handle the enemy's tactics.

Btw: What class are you playing, OP? I guess you're a DK, used to killing everyone without any problem because of an overabundance of op abilities like Dragon Fire Scales and Dragon Blood.

murtugo · August 2014

How about taking away all abilities and skills and just create a giant fist fight... It would mean balance PVP. right? If you find that enjoyable.

Domander · August 2014

Streak does not stun, it disorients. I think the largest problem with this is that the disorient does not trigger the cc immunity like it should.

quakedawg_ESO · August 2014

How are people getting stunned with Immovable up? This seems to be something that has just recently been an issue. Has Immovable been stealth nerfed? Even on my heavy alt toon I get perma-stunned while Immovable is up so I'm assuming its not an armor issue 'fix'

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

bgoldbeck21_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Fun fact: every time you complain about BE, your IQ level goes down by 1.37 points!

This isn't being constructive. To me, I'm not sure if I would say BE is overpowered for sure, but I will say that I found going against somebody with this play style to be extremely not fun. That's the core issue for me, pvp should be enjoyable.

Neither is any of the other nonsense like permajab stagger, barrier spam, or undying DKs/temps.

hasselhoffman · August 2014

Volanic Rune is great against against streak.

Anazasi · August 2014

Harnesh wrote: »

Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape

ha ha no they don't bolt escape they weave in and out of groups stunning players till they have the negate charged up then they negate everyone.

Vizier · August 2014

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Good tactics are good.

It's not BE that is causing you to die. It's the coordination of a good group using synergies between classes. You might as well argue nerfing talons, bats, impulse, DK's, groups, tactics, etc. It's equally as LOL.

It's a spammable stun that is largely OP as an offensive tactic used in conjunction with other skills. The stun should only be active on an initial streak to facilitate ability to flee should the Sorc actually be using Bolt Escape to escape. It's offensive use should be limited by deactivating stun if used within four seconds from last use.

That will keep the ability free to use offensively during duels and initial contact but provides more risk for a sorc should he be trying to pin targets as they will be able to react during secondary streaks and gives greater opportunity for groups to disburse when trying to avoid the OMGWTF OP AOE Win buttons.

A number of skills can be slotted that completely counteract BE. It's not anything close to OP.

Calling BS. Additionally I specifically target the adnauseum stun and lack of need to break CC since BE does it for them. Unless your one of those that continuously holds right mouse which of course defeats the purpose of trying to be mobile enough to gtfo of the aoe spam and possibly immovable but that's a Hvy Armor specific skill. So this "number" of skills that can be slotted to counter BE are?

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Anazasi wrote: »

Harnesh wrote: »

Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape

ha ha no they don't bolt escape they weave in and out of groups stunning players till they have the negate charged up then they negate everyone.

all the things that can be counteracted by immovable. The horror!

Ezareth · August 2014

Vizier wrote: »

It's a spammable stun that is largely OP as an offensive tactic used in conjunction with other skills. The stun should only be active on an initial streak to facilitate ability to flee should the Sorc actually be using Bolt Escape to escape. It's offensive use should be limited by deactivating stun if used within four seconds from last use.

That will keep the ability free to use offensively during duels and initial contact but provides more risk for a sorc should he be trying to pin targets as they will be able to react during secondary streaks and gives greater opportunity for groups to disburse when trying to avoid the OMGWTF OP AOE Win buttons.

Seriously, Streak is only that effective when you're in a large zerg ball. That's the price you pay for zerg-balling; you end up targeted by everyone with an AOE ability.

When I see a streak Sorc I just hold my block and kill them while casting healing springs on my party. They die fast because they have no projectile protection and I know exactly how much mana they have by the number of streaks they've cast. If you see a Sorc streak 6-7 times focus him hard and he'll go down (they usually do anyways). If you're being stunned by a sorc more than once you're doing it wrong. If a sorc streaks INTO you, guess what he isn't going to stay there so be ready for him to blink out.

Any healer worth their salt will be casting Healing springs under your group completely negating the effectiveness of a streak sorc against good players. I absolutely love seeing streak Sorcs on the battlefield because they die so easily.

So lessons to be learned here:

1) Spread out on incoming streaker much like you would with batswarm

2) Hold block between streaks

3) Kill Sorc after 6-7 streaks

NorthernFury · August 2014

Anazasi wrote: »

Harnesh wrote: »

Thats their escape move and really class defining ability have to be careful or you nerf them into uselessness.........NS can vanish and run.....Temps and DK can turtle up Sorcs bolt escape

ha ha no they don't bolt escape they weave in and out of groups stunning players till they have the negate charged up then they negate everyone.

Sounds like more complaining about people being skilled in the use of tactics. Why not complain about blazing shield or talons instead? Oh, that's right, you probably use one of them.

NorthernFury · August 2014

Vizier wrote: »

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

NorthernFury wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Bolt should have the stun or disorient (whichever it is) removed. it should only be a retreating tactic. Not an offensive tool to drain you of stamina and make way for a dk spamming talons and a gaggle of vamps behind him spamming impulse and bats.
WOW. did I just solve the blob warfare?

Good tactics are good.

It's not BE that is causing you to die. It's the coordination of a good group using synergies between classes. You might as well argue nerfing talons, bats, impulse, DK's, groups, tactics, etc. It's equally as LOL.

It's a spammable stun that is largely OP as an offensive tactic used in conjunction with other skills. The stun should only be active on an initial streak to facilitate ability to flee should the Sorc actually be using Bolt Escape to escape. It's offensive use should be limited by deactivating stun if used within four seconds from last use.

That will keep the ability free to use offensively during duels and initial contact but provides more risk for a sorc should he be trying to pin targets as they will be able to react during secondary streaks and gives greater opportunity for groups to disburse when trying to avoid the OMGWTF OP AOE Win buttons.

A number of skills can be slotted that completely counteract BE. It's not anything close to OP.

Calling BS. Additionally I specifically target the adnauseum stun and lack of need to break CC since BE does it for them. Unless your one of those that continuously holds right mouse which of course defeats the purpose of trying to be mobile enough to gtfo of the aoe spam and possibly immovable but that's a Hvy Armor specific skill. So this "number" of skills that can be slotted to counter BE are?

Let's see. You already admitted that blocking works, but, you don't want to learn how to use it. Immovable works too, as do unstoppable pots. There's three for you right there. I don't want to give up too many other ways because killing people like you who refuse to learn and adapt is fun.

EDIT: Also, BE does NOT break CC. And, you can use Unstoppable even if wearing no heavy armor.