Dear Zenimax - Thank You For Your Invitation To Return to Teso.

aliensproutb16_ESO · August 2014

As the title suggest, I'd like to thank you for the invitation email that you sent to me asking me to return to the game to enjoy all the exciting new features that you have introduced.

I must admit that after several weeks away I did enjoy the PVE aspect of the game, as I did back when I first played. The problem now, and the problem that caused me to leave Teso in the first place, is your inability to balance PVP and Cyrodil.

I have played the game extensively (in Cyrodil) since you invited me back a few days ago. I have taken part in 1v1 battles, 5v5 battles and massive 200v200 battles. I have maintained a log during this time and out of my 300+ deaths over the past 4 days 67% of those deaths have been due to Bat cloud, bat swarm, soul reap, whatever those gawd-forsaken vampire skills are called. I have played against hundreds of different enemies and classes, yet this one skill line, time and time and time again is the cause of my demise, and the demise of the players around me.

This skill line was overpowered all those weeks ago when players exploited it to get Emperor (and you did nothing about it then), and it is still way overpowered now. To the point where unless you are a V12 vampire yourself there seems little point in looking to TESO for any balanced and fair PVP at all.

On a number of occasions in a 1v1 fight I got the enemy player down to 20% health or so, with my health at 40-70%, and then bam, Vamp cloud unleashed and I'm insta death with over 2-3k damage taken in a heartbeat.

You have had several weeks now to fairly balance the PVP game and skills but you have not. I can forgive crashing every 40 minutes as has happened over the past few days and I can forgive the Keep doors not opening due to lag. I can even forgive weapon switching taking 10 seconds in battle and I'll also forgive skills not activating when clicked due to lag (I have a 150mb down cable connection btw), which happens almost constantly. What I cannot forgive is your total inabilty to balance your game when the inbalances are obvious to anyone who plays it, even me.

Please do not email me again inviting me back to your game until you have balanced PVP and fixed this total nonesense.

All the very best.
Hondo

Huntler · August 2014

5 bucks says you're full of it when you said you "kept a log" and your numbers you pulled from your rear ended. Regardless these skills have counters and it sounds like in your absence you either got sloppy and need to just practice/shape up or that you refuse to learn the ways to deal with these abilities. You can't just expect to come back and immediately roll face.

and editing this in, I am NOT a vampire

Nala_ · August 2014

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

I have maintained a log during this time and out of my 300+ deaths over the past 4 days 67% of those deaths have been due to Bat cloud, bat swarm, soul reap, whatever those gawd-forsaken vampire skills are called.

your log doesnt show what the names of the skills are? sounds about right.

10/10

KBKB · August 2014

300+ deaths was the kicker for me, I'm rank 23 and I don't even think I've died that much maybe if you factor in suicide to port. Try not standing in the breach and trying to heal through oil OP.

Pixysticks · August 2014

If I was a mod I would have banned the OP for this post.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

If I was a mod I would have banned the OP for this post.

better chance of that happening then banning exploiters in game

D.

RedTalon · August 2014

-boggles- Unless your pvping all day can't see how you die that much in four days, by all day mean playing at-least 15 hours a day at-least.

I'm a n00b in pvp and don't die that much, sure devouring swarm does peek damage at about 1200 for me but its normally not the cause of my death, its the impulse blobs that follow.

Don't fight vamps or pvp without some fighting skills has part of your bar.

Dleatherus · August 2014

silver bolts + flame damage +flawless dawnbreaker as your ultimate

300 deaths of which 67% are to vampires = you don't seem to learn/adapt much

D.

DontBeAfraid · August 2014

i actually claim to say that i have died less than 300 times since release in april.
and i played alot.
OP seems to be a very good player ^_^

Ziz · August 2014

Your problem is thinking they can do anything in weeks.

It's been weeks since the patch that caused the memory leak which causes people to crash every 30min and nothing's happened to fix it.

Batswarm will take months if ever. ZoS is the slowest company I've ever seen to make changes, especially fixes.

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

OP = crucified

A) Stop standing in stupid. (In other games there are red circles, in this game there are not = this game isn't easymode like the others)

2) Vampires don't have any other skills besides their single target once per target health drain, a damage mitigation/escape, and an AOE ultimate. So you're not being hit with some jesusbeam that's a vampire only ability.

Green) I've said it before, I'll say it again, vampire never was and never will be the problem. It's only ever been the tool used by people with the problem. The problem being a horribly imbalanced build that allows for unnecessarily abundant ultimate gains and other such regens. If there was some other ability that did damage and had the ability to give health while using it and wasn't tied to a pool like magicka or stamina and linked to ultimate, those knucklehead would use that ability. And people would cry til they were blue in the face for it to be nerfed, never acknowledging or even knowing of the actual problem.

Because perception = reality.

Look deeper

Also if you're crashing every 40 minutes, you might want to update your hardware if you can afford it. That right there could be the WHOLE problem you have, you're not seeing or hearing the warning signs of attacks quick enough to properly react.

I'm on a laptop and the only time I ever crash is when the impulse blobs come rolling into a keep and force the PvP servers themselves to crash.

Columba · August 2014

Fighter's Guild skills wipe vamps. Spec some of those

Maulkin · August 2014

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

On a number of occasions in a 1v1 fight I got the enemy player down to 20% health or so, with my health at 40-70%, and then bam, Vamp cloud unleashed and I'm insta death with over 2-3k damage taken in a heartbeat.

Dude, I obviously won't sway your feelings about the game. They are your own and each person has likes, dislikes and the same game can appear different to other people. Now that said, I find using ridiculously exaggerated and dubious statistics undermines your point and opens you up for flaming and ridicule.

My Sorc is soft-capped on Magicka and Spell dmg and his Bat Swarm tick is 270dmg. That's an ability that last 6 secs, so even if you had 0 spell res and took the full dmg for the full duration that would be 6x270 = ~1600. The norm with spell res, is usually ~1.3k over 6 sec. That's too far off the "insta death, 2-3k in a heartbeat" claim of yours, for your post to be taken seriously.

Thechemicals · August 2014

67%...the man logs in his death count and researches well it seems...

Junipus · August 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

On a number of occasions in a 1v1 fight I got the enemy player down to 20% health or so, with my health at 40-70%, and then bam, Vamp cloud unleashed and I'm insta death with over 2-3k damage taken in a heartbeat.

Dude, I obviously won't sway your feelings about the game. They are your own and each person has likes, dislikes and the same game can appear different to other people. Now that said, I find using ridiculously exaggerated and dubious statistics undermines your point and opens you up for flaming and ridicule.

My Sorc is soft-capped on Magicka and Spell dmg and his Bat Swarm tick is 270dmg. That's an ability that last 6 secs, so even if you had 0 spell res and took the full dmg for the full duration that would be 6x270 = ~1600. The norm with spell res, is usually ~1.3k over 6 sec. That's too far off the "insta death, 2-3k in a heartbeat" claim of yours, for your post to be taken seriously.

You're obviously not familiar with certain elements of the game, or you're just generalising and proving yourself just as ridiculous and exaggerating as your quoted poster.

Bat swarm does tick, which adds extra damage per tick. High spell/weapon crit will increase the number of crit ticks per use. Additionally, there is an issue with one of the 2 handed weapon traits which results in it bypassing all spell resist. I won't say which one, but go look on the PTS forums if you're interested. This results in players easily able to take 1.6k+ in damage from batswarm. While I agree that the OP wouldn't take 2-3k damage, most bat swarmers are either DKs spamming impulse or NBs spamming sap essence. Between those two abilities alone you'd only be able to survive 1v1 with dodge rolling or templar healing.

xardason · August 2014

Thx for this explain. Now every wampire in game just use this exploit so nall of us hate them and just send on them ticets. But wampire are week like bots so can use only 1 ability. So now why they play? Ah just for beta testing the game and make some free AP but thay use no skill so can't share they play game on twich.

timidobserver · August 2014

I do not have an issue with bat swarm because I can handle it most of the the time.

That said, it is OP compared to other ults. With regard to self heals and aoe damage, it is pretty close to being as powerful as practiced incantation and nova combined at only a fraction of the ultimate cost.

Galrukh · August 2014

Its a well known fact that batswarm is out of control. It stacks with itself and can build enough ultimate while it lasts that you can spam it indefinately (because it hits many people and is dirt cheap).
Several things need to happen, it needs to stop stacking with itself, it needs to increase in cost and all ultimates need to change so you cant build ultimate points while you have an ultimate active.
Spamming ultimates is getting out of hand and many people now focus their entire character around ultimates (usually batswarm).
The damage from 1 batswarm is fine, no need to nerf that but many other things surrounding it (and ultimates in general) needs to change.

Morticielle · August 2014

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

I can forgive crashing every 40 minutes as has happened over the past few days and I can forgive the Keep doors not opening due to lag. I can even forgive weapon switching taking 10 seconds in battle and I'll also forgive skills not activating when clicked due to lag (I have a 150mb down cable connection btw), which happens almost constantly.

You're one of many people who don't understand, that bandwidth has (under normal circumstances) NOTHING to do with lags! TESO uses around 2 kbit/s of the bandwidth, so that with even a low end DSL line with a bandwidth of 2 Mbit/s you would not have any problem caused by a lack of bandwidth. If you don't believe me, you can look for yourself: Windows resource monitor shows the usage of bandwidth by any program.

There are two kinds of lags: Serverlags and lags due to problems with the Iine between the server and your router. Serverlags are caused by either the hardware or the software running on it. Lags caused by the internet connection maybe due to routing problems, problems at the peering between different ISPs etc.

In the case of those ability lags it is clear that those are serverlags and not connection lags, because you can see other players move around, which shows that their actual location is transmitted from the server and passes the line to your computer in time, but the authorisation of your abilities by the server is delayed.

Update: I just checked how much traffic eso.exe makes during a massive keep siege with two large bomb squads at work and massive ability lags: The traffic goes up to 190 kB/s (= 1520 kbit/s) which is quite a lot for an MMOG, but is still not enough to cause lags with normal DSL lines or even broadband cable connections.

krim · August 2014

Galrukh wrote: »

Its a well known fact that batswarm is out of control. It stacks with itself and can build enough ultimate while it lasts that you can spam it indefinately (because it hits many people and is dirt cheap).
Several things need to happen, it needs to stop stacking with itself, it needs to increase in cost and all ultimates need to change so you cant build ultimate points while you have an ultimate active.
Spamming ultimates is getting out of hand and many people now focus their entire character around ultimates (usually batswarm).
The damage from 1 batswarm is fine, no need to nerf that but many other things surrounding it (and ultimates in general) needs to change.

lol stacking and building ulti... wow

Columba · August 2014

Must play a vamp.

NorthernFury · August 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

OP = crucified

A) Stop standing in stupid. (In other games there are red circles, in this game there are not = this game isn't easymode like the others)

2) Vampires don't have any other skills besides their single target once per target health drain, a damage mitigation/escape, and an AOE ultimate. So you're not being hit with some jesusbeam that's a vampire only ability.

Green) I've said it before, I'll say it again, vampire never was and never will be the problem. It's only ever been the tool used by people with the problem. The problem being a horribly imbalanced build that allows for unnecessarily abundant ultimate gains and other such regens. If there was some other ability that did damage and had the ability to give health while using it and wasn't tied to a pool like magicka or stamina and linked to ultimate, those knucklehead would use that ability. And people would cry til they were blue in the face for it to be nerfed, never acknowledging or even knowing of the actual problem.

Because perception = reality.

Look deeper

Also if you're crashing every 40 minutes, you might want to update your hardware if you can afford it. That right there could be the WHOLE problem you have, you're not seeing or hearing the warning signs of attacks quick enough to properly react.

I'm on a laptop and the only time I ever crash is when the impulse blobs come rolling into a keep and force the PvP servers themselves to crash.

lmao

I want 'jesusbeam' added to the resto staff line, pls =D

Obscure · August 2014

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

*snip*
...I cannot forgive is your total inabilty to balance your game when the inbalances are obvious to anyone who plays it, even me.

Please do not email me again inviting me back to your game until you have balanced PVP and fixed this total nonesense.

All that post with one underlying point. Yeah, ESO is an imbalanced mess. But you think it's bad now? Come back for the launch of Spell Crafting, or better yet within the first month after. You think it's bad right now? You ain't seen *** yet!

A studio can have mastery in anything, music, level design, whatever. ZOS's mastery is imbalance, and they're about to paint a ***ing masterpiece. It's like watching a train wreck. I can see it coming a mile away, but I just can't seem to look away.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

[snip]

All that post with one underlying point. Yeah, ESO is an imbalanced mess. But you think it's bad now? Come back for the launch of Spell Crafting, or better yet within the first month after. You think it's bad right now? You ain't seen *** yet!

[snip]

yup - flavor of the month is gonna go on crack and yer gonna have flavor of the week, then of the day, and then of the hour

zScars · August 2014

aliensproutb16_ESO wrote: »

maintained a log during this time and out of my 300+ deaths over the past 4 days 67% of those deaths have been due to Bat cloud, bat swarm

I remember the good ole' days when bats use to cost 7 ult. dem those were gud times

TheBull · August 2014

Honestly OP, Bats just became a bit over the top recently mainly with the last patch that raised caps. 2-3 weeks prior to that I look back on fondly as the Golden Days...

MurkMuffin · August 2014

I mean you could always do what the rest of us do when hit with bat swarm...Get out of it. The second I get hit with that ***, I'm already rolling out of it and figuring out a way to hit him back and not get swarmed. (Resto staff ftw!) lol. Seriously though, Pay more attention.