EP troll camps are getting out of hand.

decado0024_ESO · August 2014

Now I know that it isn't only the EP faction that is doing this. However, for the 5th time in one day EP has used troll camps to complete their objectives. On chillrend today EP and DC were attacking Alessia, EP places a camp an AD camp mind u on the far side of alessia, and surprise they had a huge oil trap set up on the bridge. About an hour later when AD was defending sej again an AD camp gets placed in the middle of the npc mobs halfway between BRK and sej. I saw 2 other out of the way camps placed at locations that were just far enough away to ruin a defence. since I wasn't actually at those defences I wont try and use them in this argument however they were placed. and I think the most offensive one of them all, had to be at around 1130 pm AD went up and took Farragut. EP got there in a swarm just in time for us to repair the front door and slam it in their faces. They tried to come in thru the front door and got rejected, they tried the western wall and again denied. the only way EP was able to gain entrance to the keep was by placing an AD camp at the very entrance to the gate of gartok. so not only were we on the opposite side of the keep from their entire siege line, but when we did respawn there to try and burn it we got agro from the guard on the gate. As im not trying to bash EP faction because it def isn't all of them there is obviously someone who has an alt and they are blatantly cheating. so when u combine the fact that 3/4ths of the EP faction is homed on Bow of shadows for the buffs yet they play on Chill and thorn. And yes AD does the same thing with haderus and its wrong that those ppl do it as well. But we have ended up with all the pvp campains being broken. I don't think that we need some child making it even worse. if u read this and ur the one doing it grow up and learn to play better if ur getting beat. To everyone else please comment maybe if enough ppl post suggestions to fix this the GMs might see it and implement a fix. TY

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Dleatherus · August 2014

'personalized' guild forward camps are in the works

yes it's annoying for now

D.

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Tintinabula · August 2014

make it so FCs have a timer like a regular siege weapon. no use in 45 secs?..gone.

ehh?..i had to rethink that..make it between 3-5 mins

Arkath · August 2014

Yeah, we encounter that problem on DC a few times each night - well, here lately, anyway. Happened only once or twice, that I noticed, prior to the recent population boom on Chillrend.

It's a shame, and hopefully ZOS will step it up and do something about it. In the meantime, many of us have resorted to bloodgating en masse to burn them up. Takes less than a minute of our time, if that, and wastes some jerk's AP.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · August 2014

i dont understand you, what are they doing?

Tintinabula · August 2014

Spies are logging in and on a spy toon buying FCs. Then..they take the FCs and plop them so theres no way you can place an FC where its actually needed.;)

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · August 2014

Oh yea that would be super d bag move. Thanks for that explanation bro.

Perphection · August 2014

It's just sad that players have to resort to these methods, they should spend more time focusing on their class and strategies rather than finding ways to exploit.

hamon · August 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

Spies are logging in and on a spy toon buying FCs. Then..they take the FCs and plop them so theres no way you can place an FC where its actually needed.;)

so how does one log in a spy? ive got 3 ep tunes and an AD and a dc toon. now when i try to pick a campaign that has a toon of opposing faction already set as home or guest it says i cant join that campaign as either home or guest.

so even if i wanted to use these guys as spies how is it even possible?

Head.hunter · August 2014

I remember when AD used to spam fc's on wabbajack. Once they started using this tactic it never stopped. It was getting ridiculous. I don't think anyone spamming fc's is cool though, as long as it doesn't go on and on.

zScars · August 2014

I think it's funny

Tintinabula · August 2014

hamon wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Spies are logging in and on a spy toon buying FCs. Then..they take the FCs and plop them so theres no way you can place an FC where its actually needed.;)

so how does one log in a spy? ive got 3 ep tunes and an AD and a dc toon. now when i try to pick a campaign that has a toon of opposing faction already set as home or guest it says i cant join that campaign as either home or guest.

so even if i wanted to use these guys as spies how is it even possible?

They spend the money and start an alt account..this is why its allowed. Stopping this would take $ out of ZOS pocket.

serenenightmare · August 2014

DC has this problem too. Probably get at least 15-20 trolls camps a day. Obvious as hell. Some level 10 standing in the wilderness while we are attacking roe or ash and when we are about to take it or need reinforcements for defending, our camp goes down, and a new one magically appears in the middle of no where.

hamon · August 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Spies are logging in and on a spy toon buying FCs. Then..they take the FCs and plop them so theres no way you can place an FC where its actually needed.;)

so how does one log in a spy? ive got 3 ep tunes and an AD and a dc toon. now when i try to pick a campaign that has a toon of opposing faction already set as home or guest it says i cant join that campaign as either home or guest.

so even if i wanted to use these guys as spies how is it even possible?

They spend the money and start an alt account..this is why its allowed. Stopping this would take $ out of ZOS pocket.

god paying for a second account just to do this would be the height of assholeishness.
anyone sad enough to do that needs to really have a word with themselves.

Srugzal · August 2014

Perphection wrote: »

It's just sad that players have to resort to these methods, they should spend more time focusing on their class and strategies rather than finding ways to exploit.

This whole thread is hilarious.

It's not an exploit, since they're using standard game mechanics and not using any bugs. It's a strategy, and by all accounts, a winning one. What you need to do is come up with a counter. Do that, and they'll move on to something else.

They're outsmarting you, I know. Outsmart them back.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

It's just sad that players have to resort to these methods, they should spend more time focusing on their class and strategies rather than finding ways to exploit.

This whole thread is hilarious.

It's not an exploit, since they're using standard game mechanics and not using any bugs. It's a strategy, and by all accounts, a winning one. What you need to do is come up with a counter. Do that, and they'll move on to something else.

They're outsmarting you, I know. Outsmart them back.

nah - it's an exploit

you use the exact same lame excuse that exploiters in the game have done so far - 'oh - it's in game so they must have intended it'

some prime examples:

chain pulling enemies up onto walls - intended - chain pulling dozens of enemies up onto wall to let them take the keep - unintended - result - nerfed

siege weapon limit of 20 - intended - using it to sabotage legit defence of keep - unintended - result - siege weapon decay hugely accelerated

emperor farming - changing of emperor - intended - organized flipping of the title between two factions every hour - unintended - result - new abdication timer in place and potential changes to former emperor buffs coming down the road

dragonleap to enemey player/npc - intended - dragon leap to get past closed enemy scroll temple gates - unintended - result - nerf coming

so .... back to the forward camps - it is NOT intended to place forward camps in such a manner as to sabotage an attacking/ defending force - result - Brian Wheeler has already said they are aware of the broken and unintended use of the mechanic, and as a result guild forward camps are in the works

so as you can see - your feeble and failed excuse doesn't stand up when it's looked at properly

D.

Tintinabula · August 2014

Just make it so..If an FC is not used for say 5 mins , it starts a 1 minute timer til its destroyed. One spawn would refresh the timer 2minutes..basically adding 2 minutes until the FC is destroyed..another spawn would add another 2 mins and so forth until the usage was filled.

Srugzal · August 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

Srugzal wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

It's just sad that players have to resort to these methods, they should spend more time focusing on their class and strategies rather than finding ways to exploit.

This whole thread is hilarious.

It's not an exploit, since they're using standard game mechanics and not using any bugs. It's a strategy, and by all accounts, a winning one. What you need to do is come up with a counter. Do that, and they'll move on to something else.

They're outsmarting you, I know. Outsmart them back.

nah - it's an exploit

you use the exact same lame excuse that exploiters in the game have done so far - 'oh - it's in game so they must have intended it'

some prime examples:

chain pulling enemies up onto walls - intended - chain pulling dozens of enemies up onto wall to let them take the keep - unintended - result - nerfed

siege weapon limit of 20 - intended - using it to sabotage legit defence of keep - unintended - result - siege weapon decay hugely accelerated

emperor farming - changing of emperor - intended - organized flipping of the title between two factions every hour - unintended - result - new abdication timer in place and potential changes to former emperor buffs coming down the road

dragonleap to enemey player/npc - intended - dragon leap to get past closed enemy scroll temple gates - unintended - result - nerf coming

so .... back to the forward camps - it is NOT intended to place forward camps in such a manner as to sabotage an attacking/ defending force - result - Brian Wheeler has already said they are aware of the broken and unintended use of the mechanic, and as a result guild forward camps are in the works

so as you can see - your feeble and failed excuse doesn't stand up when it's looked at properly

D.

Woah, calm down dude, just playing devil's advocate here.

I was suggesting that you [plural] counter that tactic with a better one, and you [singular] change the subject in reply.

And of course they're going to change the game to accommodate your [plural] complaints, I've explained this in another thread. It's part of the business model. It's natural that you would think that BW agrees with you. Whether he does or not isn't actually relevant.

Having said that, I'm not advocating outright cheating, as you seem to want to suggest--forgive me if I misunderstood. I'm actually just dishing a little of the old "l2p" medicine. ;-)

Dleatherus · August 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Srugzal wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

It's just sad that players have to resort to these methods, they should spend more time focusing on their class and strategies rather than finding ways to exploit.

This whole thread is hilarious.

It's not an exploit, since they're using standard game mechanics and not using any bugs. It's a strategy, and by all accounts, a winning one. What you need to do is come up with a counter. Do that, and they'll move on to something else.

They're outsmarting you, I know. Outsmart them back.

nah - it's an exploit

you use the exact same lame excuse that exploiters in the game have done so far - 'oh - it's in game so they must have intended it'

some prime examples:

chain pulling enemies up onto walls - intended - chain pulling dozens of enemies up onto wall to let them take the keep - unintended - result - nerfed

siege weapon limit of 20 - intended - using it to sabotage legit defence of keep - unintended - result - siege weapon decay hugely accelerated

emperor farming - changing of emperor - intended - organized flipping of the title between two factions every hour - unintended - result - new abdication timer in place and potential changes to former emperor buffs coming down the road

dragonleap to enemey player/npc - intended - dragon leap to get past closed enemy scroll temple gates - unintended - result - nerf coming

so .... back to the forward camps - it is NOT intended to place forward camps in such a manner as to sabotage an attacking/ defending force - result - Brian Wheeler has already said they are aware of the broken and unintended use of the mechanic, and as a result guild forward camps are in the works

so as you can see - your feeble and failed excuse doesn't stand up when it's looked at properly

D.

Woah, calm down dude, just playing devil's advocate here.

I was suggesting that you [plural] counter that tactic with a better one, and you [singular] change the subject in reply.

And of course they're going to change the game to accommodate your [plural] complaints, I've explained this in another thread. It's part of the business model. It's natural that you would think that BW agrees with you. Whether he does or not isn't actually relevant.

Having said that, I'm not advocating outright cheating, as you seem to want to suggest--forgive me if I misunderstood. I'm actually just dishing a little of the old "l2p" medicine. ;-)

i'd rather people stopped dishing out l2p advice when it involves countering exploits - why not dish out some good old fashioned 'learn to play without resorting to cheating' medicine?

also no where did i state that BW agrees with me - i'd not be that presumptuous

D.

Srugzal · August 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

i'd rather people stopped dishing out l2p advice when it involves countering exploits - why not dish out some good old fashioned 'learn to play without resorting to cheating' medicine?
D.

You see, there's your problem. People just aren't going to do what you want them to, and they're not going to agree with you. Frustrating, I know. You just can't seem to accept that not everyone will agree with your use of the term "exploit" here. Nothing can be done about that, I guess.

And be careful with that word "cheating." Placing a forward camp in an inconvenient location for the enemy isn't cheating, just clever, not to mention ingenious.

But don't worry, you'll get what you want in the long run. That won't make you right, though. It will simply mean that ZOS will calculate that changing it will retain subscriptions.

It's a game, dude. There's no "right" or "wrong." But there is "profit" and "loss."

Srugzal · August 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Spies are logging in and on a spy toon buying FCs. Then..they take the FCs and plop them so theres no way you can place an FC where its actually needed.;)

so how does one log in a spy? ive got 3 ep tunes and an AD and a dc toon. now when i try to pick a campaign that has a toon of opposing faction already set as home or guest it says i cant join that campaign as either home or guest.

so even if i wanted to use these guys as spies how is it even possible?

They spend the money and start an alt account..this is why its allowed. Stopping this would take $ out of ZOS pocket.

That's the same argument that was used to explain the persistence of bots, but that proved to be invalid. ZOS is pretty venal, for sure, but not that venal.

I suppose it would be much simpler with confederates. If you can organize Emperor swaps, surely FC trolling would be pretty easy. Short campaigns would make this more workable, I'd imagine. Perhaps sums of gold changing hands behind the scenes... who knows? "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than your philosophy." Don't get me wrong: I'm not advocating using exploits. It's just that real cheating isn't very difficult. Every MMO has these weaknesses.

I'm sure that ZOS is finding this one very entertaining. "Look how they're gaming the system now! What will they think of next? Chain Pulls and Vampires and Oil Pots and what all, now Forward Camps. What clever little mortals!"

Khan · August 2014

Just have the name of the person who deployed the FC shown on mouseover when using the zone map.

Nothing like letting the player base vent their anger at this type of griefing. Players will be able to report the incident(s) with matching screenies.

Hopefully ZOS will take care of the rest.

Maulkin · August 2014

Did they fix the issue where you could travel to player and enter any campaign that's neither your home nor your guest?

Cause that's what they were doing a few weeks back and they didn't even need 2nd accounts.

Rylana · August 2014

Srugzal wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

i'd rather people stopped dishing out l2p advice when it involves countering exploits - why not dish out some good old fashioned 'learn to play without resorting to cheating' medicine?
D.

Placing a forward camp in an inconvenient location for the enemy isn't cheating, just clever, not to mention ingenious.

It might have been clever/ingenious the FIRST time someone did it.

Now, its just run of the mill, old hat, seen it, will see it again tomorrow.

Dont prop people (or even yourself?) using things that have become so widespread and well known about that they might as well be considered FOTM "tactics" at this point.

Next youll tell me that light armor/staff or oil parties are still clever. Necrotic Orb/Barrier spam is the true ingenuity of this game... oh wait.

Rylana · August 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Did they fix the issue where you could travel to player and enter any campaign that's neither your home nor your guest?

Cause that's what they were doing a few weeks back and they didn't even need 2nd accounts.

Nope, not fixed. And it is sad really. There are a whole multitude of issues related to "travel to player" as it relates to PvP right now, and this is numero uno.

There are... certain people... that farm their alts or friends alts doing this at resources for defense ticks. >_>

Tannakaobi · August 2014

Why are FC limited to one?

The simple solution would seem to be to allow more than one. Maybe I'm missing another exploit, but I don't see any real benefits of having more than one other than to stop this.

Neyephe · August 2014

Can you not buy a camp, throw it in your bank and pick it up on another character? I havent tried, but that would be a get around of and alt in the same campaign or separate account.

Srugzal · August 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Srugzal wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

i'd rather people stopped dishing out l2p advice when it involves countering exploits - why not dish out some good old fashioned 'learn to play without resorting to cheating' medicine?
D.

Placing a forward camp in an inconvenient location for the enemy isn't cheating, just clever, not to mention ingenious.

It might have been clever/ingenious the FIRST time someone did it.

Now, its just run of the mill, old hat, seen it, will see it again tomorrow.

Dont prop people (or even yourself?) using things that have become so widespread and well known about that they might as well be considered FOTM "tactics" at this point.

Next youll tell me that light armor/staff or oil parties are still clever. Necrotic Orb/Barrier spam is the true ingenuity of this game... oh wait.

I think you're trying to be clever, but I'm not sure, since you're not entirely coherent. And no, I'm not "proping" anyone, why should I? I couldn't care less about PvP. But these arguments are pretty amusing, don't you agree?

Galrukh · August 2014

Don't feed the troll people.
Yes this is getting stupidly annoying and happens to all 3 factions and yes it should be stopped immediatly (well FCs in general could use a big going over, teleporting across the map to launch stealth raids this way is silly).