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Bolt Escape still too cheap?
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Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.
I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Actually no, I will not try. Not that you could mount in combat or would have reasonable chance to catch up/find him after 30 seconds of him fleeing. No. The point is, that even if you in fact did catch up or find him, he would just press bolt again.MADshadowman wrote: »And don't try to justify this with "we couldn't mount our horses cause we were in combat" Stop attacking and it will take a maximum of 30 seconds for you to leave combat and mount your horse0 -
Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »To make a valid comparison you have to keep all factors equal except the ability in question.
A NB wearing skirt, spec'd for cost reduction, spamming cloak, invisible for 30 seconds
A DK wearing skirt, spec'd for cost reduction, holding block and spamming Dragon Blood when low on health.
A Sorc wearing skirt, spec'd for cost reduction, bolt escaping away.
A Templar wearing skirt, spec'd for cost reduction, holding block and spamming honor the dead when low on health.
All of these scenarios make these players seem unkillable.
Can they do this indefinitely? NO
Are they doing damage? NO
Are they surviving? YES
But wait a sorc bolting does do damage...Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Actually no, I will not try. Not that you could mount in combat or would have reasonable chance to catch up/find him after 30 seconds of him fleeing. No. The point is, that even if you in fact did catch up or find him, he would just press bolt again.MADshadowman wrote: »And don't try to justify this with "we couldn't mount our horses cause we were in combat" Stop attacking and it will take a maximum of 30 seconds for you to leave combat and mount your horse
Well Sir (or Lady?), as i already mentioned: i did catch sorcs that way and killed them and i also did it in a lot of other ways including chain pulling, streaking, crystal fragment(-ing), spear throwing or just shield assaulting. you just gotta use what you got.0 -
Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »MADshadowman wrote: »Honestly, you people are like the people that sue mcdonalds because they burned themselves on the coffee just because they're too stupid to know that freshly brewed coffee is hot.
http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-about-the-lady-that-spilled-coffee-on-herself-at-mcdonalds-then-sued-for-millions
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
Might want to read up on what actually happened there. The woman had to have medical treatment for two years afterwards, including numerous skin grafts. Also, the amount of "Seriously Dude" lines on this thread are getting downright farcical.
So you're saying that when you get a cup of coffee from Mcdonald you expect it to be lukewarm or cold. Gtfo I don't care how much surgery you caused yourself to have coffee is gonna be hot. Don't put it on your dashboard then floor it out of the McDonald's drive thru.
did you even read the links? Have you ever spilled coffee on yourself? I have, and it didn't require two years of treatment. I didn't get third degree burns. She didn't sue them just because it was hot, the temperature was extreme.
Once again you being careless and spilling coffee on yourself is not their fault. I might repeat that however you might not understand still so. That would be like if you stood on top of your car in their parking lot and slipped off and broke your neck then claimed it was their fault.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Sheaden✭✭✭Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.
I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.
Thanks for explaining how that level of Bolt Escape mastery can be achieved Fuzzy!
@MADshadowman - Here is a VR12 Sorc describing how it's possible to cast it so many times.
So it's Bolt Escape - Dark Exchange - Harness Magicka with increased caps for max health/magicka and regen caps. Not to mention if the player was using consumables. When you add it all together ... it IS possible to cast this FAR more than the 5-6 times most sorcs have cried about in this thread.
All of the sorcs saying that you can't cast it more than 5-6 times, you need to take lessons from @Luvsfuzzybunnies. He obviously knows how it's done.Edited by Sheaden on August 16, 2014 5:25PM1 -
Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭@Sheaden Please stop doing insane math and applying it to every sorcerer who's using this skill, i'm a highelf with poor magickaregen and no costreduction through set-pieces at all which means i only have my 7/7 light-armorpieces so i only have half of your theoretical OP-ness.
I use this ability offensively in pvp and pve and have done so since almost launch even before people were crying about it.
When i'm outnumbered i try my best to escape but i do the same when i play on my v2 Nightblade (and no, Cloak is not comlpetely broken as long as you don't apply dots to anyone).
People who aren't intrested in fair fights and gang up on one player shouldn't be complaining about balance when they're outsmarted or the other player gets lucky.
If I go invisible and get rooted theyou can see me in cloak because the root graphics. Which means I still don't get away. If you get rooted and bolt.they sure see you still but 15m away instantly after their cast. Which means no root again for you but if I dodge roll out I can be rooted again cause I'm still in their range. Which brings us again to magelight. This skill needs to only see crouch stealth and not detect invisibility. Two skills/mechanics to counter the nb from escaping. Your skill still has none. Weird how that works.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.
I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.
Thanks for explaining how that level of Bolt Escape mastery can be achieved Fuzzy!
@MADshadowman - Here is a VR12 Sorc describing how it's possible to cast it so many times.
So it's Bolt Escape - Dark Exchange - Harness Magicka with increased caps for max health/magicka and regen caps. Not to mention if the player was using consumables. When you add it all together ... it IS possible to cast this FAR more than the 5-6 times most sorcs have cried about in this thread.
All of the sorcs saying that you can't cast it more than 5-6 times, you need to take lessons from @Luvsfuzzybunnies. He obviously knows how it's done.
No, i didn't say it's not possible, i said most of the sorcs have a build that only allows them to do it 5-6 times in a row. And i don't need explaination how it's done, cause i can do it myself. I think you're getting a little off track here, buddy. you're so desperate to prove a point that you cling to every piece of information that not completey denies what you're saying.
I know you just want to be loved, but it wont happen in this thread, sorry.0 -
Sheaden✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.
I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.
Thanks for explaining how that level of Bolt Escape mastery can be achieved Fuzzy!
@MADshadowman - Here is a VR12 Sorc describing how it's possible to cast it so many times.
So it's Bolt Escape - Dark Exchange - Harness Magicka with increased caps for max health/magicka and regen caps. Not to mention if the player was using consumables. When you add it all together ... it IS possible to cast this FAR more than the 5-6 times most sorcs have cried about in this thread.
All of the sorcs saying that you can't cast it more than 5-6 times, you need to take lessons from @Luvsfuzzybunnies. He obviously knows how it's done.
No, i didn't say it's not possible, i said most of the sorcs have a build that only allows them to do it 5-6 times in a row. And i don't need explaination how it's done, cause i can do it myself. I think you're getting a little off track here, buddy. you're so desperate to prove a point that you cling to every piece of information that not completey denies what you're saying.
I know you just want to be loved, but it wont happen in this thread, sorry.
I'm not desperate at all. My initial post was ... Is Bolt Escape still too cheap? They nerfed the skill because of how it was being used. It can still be used that way... though it is somewhat more difficult. It shouldn't be allowed to be exploited this way, period.
You're obviously feeling threatened that this thread even exists or you wouldn't be so defensive and ending every post with juvenile smack-talk. More than likely you're trying to start a flame war so they close the topic... guess what.. I really don't care.0 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭Well, first of all: It's not an exploit. It costs what it costs and if you have a certain amount of magicka, then you can use it a certain number of times. You can do that with every skill.
Second: Let me be so kind and answer your initial question: No.
Several people have explained how this works and what it's like to use it. On my sorc i have roughly 2k magicka and all spell cost reductions from the skill lines and also a 54 spell cost reduction through jewelry and i can only bolt 6 times in a row with that. do you think this is too cheap? 6 times for 2k magicka? This is a normal sorc build that has all stat points in health for some survivability.
If you get a set like warlock, if you use potions, if you have food effects active, if you put all stat points into magicka, then yes, you will be able to cast it a couple of times more but these are all IFs. this is not the common sorc, cause focussing on magicka comes with big disadvantages such as missing survivability. when i started my sorc i was putting everything into magicka with the result of being a one-shotable target to everyone. so this is not the way to become a successful sorc.
You're focussed way to much on this one guy. he is not your problem, he just tried to get away from you. your problem are the sorcs that streak through you and stun and kill you.
Next time you see him, you know better and just let him bolt away. And if he comes back then you better be ready and smack him in the face. As i posted above, there are plenty of ways to stop him from bolting.
Listen to your old man, my son. i just want the best for you.0 -
Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Well, first of all: It's not an exploit. It costs what it costs and if you have a certain amount of magicka, then you can use it a certain number of times. You can do that with every skill.
Second: Let me be so kind and answer your initial question: No.
Several people have explained how this works and what it's like to use it. On my sorc i have roughly 2k magicka and all spell cost reductions from the skill lines and also a 54 spell cost reduction through jewelry and i can only bolt 6 times in a row with that. do you think this is too cheap? 6 times for 2k magicka? This is a normal sorc build that has all stat points in health for some survivability.
If you get a set like warlock, if you use potions, if you have food effects active, if you put all stat points into magicka, then yes, you will be able to cast it a couple of times more but these are all IFs. this is not the common sorc, cause focussing on magicka comes with big disadvantages such as missing survivability. when i started my sorc i was putting everything into magicka with the result of being a one-shotable target to everyone. so this is not the way to become a successful sorc.
You're focussed way to much on this one guy. he is not your problem, he just tried to get away from you. your problem are the sorcs that streak through you and stun and kill you.
Next time you see him, you know better and just let him bolt away. And if he comes back then you better be ready and smack him in the face. As i posted above, there are plenty of ways to stop him from bolting.
Listen to your old man, my son. i just want the best for you.
Your condescending tone and insults don't take away from the fact that the skill is close to the dame level as it was before nerf again. We want what's best for the game not to serve ourselves. I like I said have a sorc who is m Regen capped and maxed on magicka with the popular sets for magicka flood and reduced spell cost. I have almost no fear of dieing on my sorc whatsoever. The only time I die is if I do something horribly stupid and jump into an impulse spamming vampire group. Plain and simple I play the class and think it is more powerful than it should be. Now I don't think it needs a huge nerf but maybe a slight magicka cost increase on the base cost. I don't know I would like to see the power level toned down slightly though as I feel like a god when I play my sorc then I switch to my nb to remind myself I'm still mortal.
Edit: I said I feel like a god on my sorc I can only imagine playing a DK feels like the titans broke out of the prison Zeus put them in and spanked the gods for putting them there to begin with.Edited by Luvsfuzzybunnies on August 16, 2014 9:38PMJukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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✭Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »Are you seriously complaining that the ability Bolt ESCAPE needs to be nerfed because people who use it sometimes ESCAPE?
gap closers need to be nerfed because that guy charged/teleported to me.
blocking needs to be nerfed because that guy blocked my damage.
This has got to be my favorite defense that Sorcs use to keep defend BE. It's called Bolt ESCAPE, the user should escape...
Shall we use that logic on some other abilities. How about Death Stroke from NB. It's called DEATH Stroke, so if you get hit by it you should die right? Maybe from a Stroke since it has the word Stroke in it too... So when you get hit by this NB ability, by your own logic, Your character should die from a stroke...
Moreso that the skill's purpose is for escape. This is the design purpose of the ability and the developer's intent. If a player decides that sacrificing all potential damage by completely draining his/her magicka bar to escape, due to the extremely high magicka cost post nerf, then so be it. Same goes for a NB who spams Cloak for escape.
It's not the same. First I'm not saying BE needs to cost more. My beef with it is the stun and no need for CC break by Sorc using it, but that's a different matter. I really don't care that they can escape with it under most circumstances because that's what it's intended to do.
It's not the same as SC. BE spammed moves one hellacross the map and NOTHING Interferes with it, talons, caltrops, elemental AOE, etc. SC is supposed to last 2.5 seconds but rarely does because virtually everything in game breaks it, plus magelight (which shouldn't reveal SC IMO) If your taking damage it won't activate, and with right morph is supposed to deactivate dots and negative effects but does 1 at best and doesn't alway work. If NB healed others or has dot on enemy it tends not to work properly so again has to be spammed about every .5 seconds AND some while not being able to see the NB can STILL attack them while SC is activated. I've seen NB shield and spear charged while in cloak.
I really don't care much if BE is changed much. It should be spammable IMO, just not with endless stuns. BE is not a get out of jail free card. I see bolting sorcs get brought down often enough. Let's not compare it to NB SC though. Not even close to the same thing and efficacy of BE is head and shoulders over NB SC atm.0 -
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✭SO what your saying then is
-stamina builds should have to pay more for bolt escape because mana builds can cast it too much (which makes NO SENSE)
-sorcs shouldn't be able to use stamina and/or stamina builds don't use bolt escape (which is FALSE)
-bolt escape always removes you from a hostile target (which is also FALSE)
Have you actually tried a sorc or???Lol light armour and an arbitrary high end set lol so what about non-magika sorcs? You know the ones who don't get the benefit of those things? I guess fighting close range we shouldn't be able to have enough mana to use bolt escape and cast anything else. I guess I can just run away from a gank mobs 38 yard-range-or-more-for-snipe-or-range-stack
I certainly hope that sorc wasn't a stamina build... or we're all in trouble. LOL It should be pretty obvious why a stamina build isn't going to be able to exploit bolt escape which is a magicka based ability. If you need a more thorough explanation as to why, I'd encourage you toI fail to see how the other classes would be unable to remove themselves from harm.
Because the only other class besides sorc that has a mobility skill that moves them without taking them to a new hostile target is Nightblade. Nightblade does have refreshing path I guess but I don't know of many that actually use this ability. I've not used it myself but I've heard it's pretty underwhelming.
Templar - Toppling charge to an enemy
Nightblade - refreshing path run faster in a straight line.
Dragonknight - Take Flight - fly through the air to an enemy.
Sorc - Bolt Escape - lol lol lol look at me I can go where I please *teleport/stun* can't catch me can't catch me *teleport/stun* haha I'm immune to your CC ... can't catch me *teleport/stun* You mad bro? *teleport/stun* huehuehue
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Sheaden✭✭✭SO what your saying then is
-stamina builds should have to pay more for bolt escape because mana builds can cast it too much (which makes NO SENSE)
-sorcs shouldn't be able to use stamina and/or stamina builds don't use bolt escape (which is FALSE)
-bolt escape always removes you from a hostile target (which is also FALSE)
Have you actually tried a sorc or???Lol light armour and an arbitrary high end set lol so what about non-magika sorcs? You know the ones who don't get the benefit of those things? I guess fighting close range we shouldn't be able to have enough mana to use bolt escape and cast anything else. I guess I can just run away from a gank mobs 38 yard-range-or-more-for-snipe-or-range-stack
I certainly hope that sorc wasn't a stamina build... or we're all in trouble. LOL It should be pretty obvious why a stamina build isn't going to be able to exploit bolt escape which is a magicka based ability. If you need a more thorough explanation as to why, I'd encourage you toI fail to see how the other classes would be unable to remove themselves from harm.
Because the only other class besides sorc that has a mobility skill that moves them without taking them to a new hostile target is Nightblade. Nightblade does have refreshing path I guess but I don't know of many that actually use this ability. I've not used it myself but I've heard it's pretty underwhelming.
Templar - Toppling charge to an enemy
Nightblade - refreshing path run faster in a straight line.
Dragonknight - Take Flight - fly through the air to an enemy.
Sorc - Bolt Escape - lol lol lol look at me I can go where I please *teleport/stun* can't catch me can't catch me *teleport/stun* haha I'm immune to your CC ... can't catch me *teleport/stun* You mad bro? *teleport/stun* huehuehue
Umm yeah since it's a magicka driven spell. Why should a full-on stamina based build be able to cast it as many times as a pure magicka driven build? LOL that's just delusional.
Yes it should cost more for stamina builds than for magicka builds. It's a magicka ability. Just like a DK who is largely stamina based can't cast green dragon blood nearly as many times as a magicka based DK, or a Stamina based Nightblade using shadow cloak, or a stamina based Templar using blazing shield. The way the game is currently, any stamina based build is going to suffer at the expense of their own class abilities.0 -
Alright, this discussion is going nowhere. So let's evolve the "original question" based upon the discussions so far.
Original question: Is Bolt Escape still too cheap?
What if we asked: How can we tweak Bolt Escape to prevent builds that exploit/abuse streaking and still preserve its intended functionality to non-exploitative players?
Let's hear some suggestions. I'll start.
Streak. I myself use it as a gap closer or situational ranged interrupt. I don't think it should be able to be spammed. What if we gave it a cooldown without giving it a cooldown? What would that look like? Suggestion:
Streak
Revert to original non increasing magicka cost.
Retain the AoE Stun from point of cast that the unmorphed version causes.
If cast within 3 seconds, halve the distance traveled for each consecutive cast, down to a minimum of 5 meters. This debuff would be called "Overcharged". Streaking through already disoriented player now causes "Reverberation", which induces disorientation upon the caster for 2 seconds.
Ball Lightning. This was fine as an escape tool and out of combat movement ability and was inadvertently nerfed because of streak abuse. Suggestion:
Ball Lightning
Revert to original non increasing magicka cost.
I would still use the Streak morph on my sorc as a gap closer and ranged interrupt. It was always a tossup because I loved that initial aoe stun of the unmorphed version. This version has the best of both and prevents exploitation.
Buffs for those who don't abuse it!
Nerfs for exploiters!Edited by Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO on August 17, 2014 9:20PM0 -
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✭Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.
I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.
Thanks for explaining how that level of Bolt Escape mastery can be achieved Fuzzy!
@MADshadowman - Here is a VR12 Sorc describing how it's possible to cast it so many times.
So it's Bolt Escape - Dark Exchange - Harness Magicka with increased caps for max health/magicka and regen caps. Not to mention if the player was using consumables. When you add it all together ... it IS possible to cast this FAR more than the 5-6 times most sorcs have cried about in this thread.
All of the sorcs saying that you can't cast it more than 5-6 times, you need to take lessons from @Luvsfuzzybunnies. He obviously knows how it's done.
Don`t let this fuzzybunny guy fool you, he was hating on sorcerer`s bolt escape for pages and pages since day one of the game (yeah, right, he is hating on that spell since 5 months). Just check his post history in case you don`t believe me. He`s just a hurt NB who can`t play his class properly who does now try to play part time what he considers op.
There is no "unstoppable menace" known as "Kitten Kisser" on Chillrend. And I know pretty much every single good sorc on EU Chill. So if he would be such an unstoppably good mage due to his bolt escaping fantasies, people wouldve recognized him. No good sorc would ever try to bolt escape more than 3 times in a row, ever. He talked about magicka regen when bolting 8 times, but magicka regen is off when chaining bolts, whats the point?
His claims are just an empty try to make a "legit" point. Any sorcerer who would do what he claims doing all the time, would leave the sorcerer with exactly zero magicka to fight, every single engagement.
I have 2440 Magicka and I can`t bolt 8 times, I can bolt seven times. I can do that when i have a full magicka bar means i havent participated in a fight, after those casts my mana will be empty. Why on earth would I bolt seven times in a row, when I haven`t even tried to fight? What sane person would stop his mana regen for the span of his entire magicka bar to bolt seven times in a row? And finally not being able to fight, despite dark exchange, because without stamina a single cc will kill you.
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✭MADshadowman wrote: »The answer is simple, my friend. One should not take out a sorc if he decides to escape from the battle. why would you want to kill one single person so bad, that you run after him for 15 minutes?
...er because that single Sorc left alone can place down a camp or ress others with stones and bring an entire raid back to you keep in moments rather minutes, which can matter.0 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »MADshadowman wrote: »The answer is simple, my friend. One should not take out a sorc if he decides to escape from the battle. why would you want to kill one single person so bad, that you run after him for 15 minutes?
...er because that single Sorc left alone can place down a camp or ress others with stones and bring an entire raid back to you keep in moments rather minutes, which can matter.
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✭✭✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »One should not take out a sorc if he decides to escape from the battle.
I think ZOS disagrees. With them nerfing bolt escape magicka costs on rapid reuse, and all that.
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✭This looks like a L2P issue for the op. I play a v12 NB, dk, and sorc, and never have I found it a issue with any of those classes.
If a sorc wants to blow all his resources/builds on an escape, that is his choice. And if you do not want to make an equal investment to catch him, that's your choice too.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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✭Also, a lot of guys making a big deal about the raised caps as a new problem that only affects BE in their eyes. Does the new caps allow for more gdb/scales spam? Do they allow for more heal spam? Do the allow for more cloak spam? Your arguments against sorcs are weak. I play 3 of the 4 classes at v12 and I find it about right.Edited by Vis on August 18, 2014 1:05PMv14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭Also, a lot of guys making a big deal about the raised caps as a new problem that only affects BE in their eyes. Does the new caps allow for more gdb/scales spam? Do they allow for more heal spam? Do the allow for more cloak spam? Your arguments against sorcs are weak. I play 3 of the 4 classes at v12 and I find it about right.
Same here. i'm running 3 veteran chars and i just can't see the problem. in another thread someone said dks couldn't spam reflective scales cause it costs too much, which is not true. i can spam it at least 9-10 times in a row, if i wait the 4 seconds til the effect ends, then i think it might be 15 times in a row and with a resto staff you can pretty much keep the scales up forever.
So it's just a question of how your build is set up. Bolt escape is not too cheap and you have to optimize your build to be able to use it that many times. if you have soft capped magicka, spell cost reduction, high magicka regen and maybe a magicka flood set, then you can use this skill a lot, but those things are essential for a good sorc build and even if he's not bolting, he can smack you with crystal fragments for 3 years straight.0 -
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✭MADshadowman wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »MADshadowman wrote: »The answer is simple, my friend. One should not take out a sorc if he decides to escape from the battle. why would you want to kill one single person so bad, that you run after him for 15 minutes?
...er because that single Sorc left alone can place down a camp or ress others with stones and bring an entire raid back to you keep in moments rather minutes, which can matter.
...er and you think all the stealthed people you didn't see and ran past can't put down a tent?
There's a reason PVP groups that know what they are doing spread out after they finishing wiping another group and use detection potions.0 -
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✭✭You people defending bolt escape are delusional. Instant get away with basically no effort.
I'm In the process of lvling a Sorc because it's op. add into it the permenant incapacitate *** and it's the most op skill in the game.
ZoS and you people are blind.
I agree wholeheartedly Ziz. I mean people defending it in this thread act like we've never even seen the skill tree or something.
Sorc in 7 Light Armor - 21% reduction in magicka cost due to LA passives.
Expert Mage passive = 10% reduction to storm calling spells i.e. Bolt Escape
Unholy Knowledge = 5% Magicka and Stamina reduction to everything.
Seducer 5 pc set = 8% reduction to all magicka abilities.
Breton Racial = 3% reduction to all magicka based abilities
So that's 47% reduction right there without considering other possible set combinations that also effectively reduce spell costs. Also doesn't take into consideration any cost reduction jewelry that may also be worn.
Let's ALSO give them 15% ultimate cost reduction as a PASSIVE lulz. (NOT OP)
A PASSIVE that heals them for 5% MAX health when using one of their most powerful offensive attacks i.e. crystals fragments which is dark magic. Synergizes pretty well with critical surge which heals for 50% of all crit damage. Must be nice at end game to have your 900+ crit damage insta-cast crystal fragment healing you for nearly 600 between the blood magic passive and critical surge. I can't see why this would be OP at all when I hear people in my trade guilds discussing their 75%+ crit percentage. (NOT OP)
Hey Ziz I think I just talked talked myself into rolling a sorc. Hey why don't we ALL play sorcs. It can just be Elder Sorcs Online and we don't need to change the whole ESO bit then.
It is a little sad when you look at how ridiculous these sorc passives/abilities are in comparison to most others and then you think about the guy wanting to play a warrior archetype and he gets absolutely no love whatsoever. You wield a 2h axe? lololololol #good1bro #usofunny #attacksometreesnoob
Just fyi, Sorc has a 15 cost reduction in ultimate, not 15%. ESOHead tooltips are wrong.
And why are you talking about crit surge? Just showing your ignorance there. Every player out there that you would actually need crit surge heals is wearing 60%+ impenetrable rating.
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You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points0 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭there's also a reason the other group stays stealthed and avoids the people that are roaming the area.0
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✭Stop crying and please try to play a Sorc in PvP. Bolt escape does not help you escape 90% of the time. NBs will teleport to you even if you bolt escape. So many players use bows nowadays, that they will snipe you down.3 -
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✭MADshadowman wrote: »there's also a reason the other group stays stealthed and avoids the people that are roaming the area.
... not sure if you're replying to me or not, are you kidding me? Detection potions have a huge amount of range when a group uses them properly, AND someone using Bolt Escape can use stealth as well, so your point is silly.0 -
Nihili✭✭✭Can we get a moderator in here? Sounds like a bunch of 14 y/o's who have discovered rhetorical questions and sarcasm for the first time with how heated this debate has gotten
Oh and don't mind me guys, just continue having a "constructive" conversation over here, I've made popcorn in the mean time.0 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭Can we get a moderator in here? Sounds like a bunch of 14 y/o's who have discovered rhetorical questions and sarcasm for the first time with how heated this debate has gotten
Oh and don't mind me guys, just continue having a "constructive" conversation over here, I've made popcorn in the mean time.
HEY! I have discovered rhetorical questions and sarcasm a long long time ago!0 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »MADshadowman wrote: »there's also a reason the other group stays stealthed and avoids the people that are roaming the area.
... not sure if you're replying to me or not, are you kidding me? Detection potions have a huge amount of range when a group uses them properly, AND someone using Bolt Escape can use stealth as well, so your point is silly.
i was replying to you. and no, i'm not kidding you. You know what has more range than potions? My eyes. I can see a group coming and stay out of their detection radius.0
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