First of all, this post is PvP related and should be moved to the Alliance forum. Second, please do not duplicate posts: Change blocking mechanics.

Touchen wrote: »

Its not....Because Blocking it the only form of Mitigation in the game that actually works or is worth anything in PvP.

Meaning any person who charged into any fight would die within seconds from people popping them behind for insane amounts of damage.

Any 2v1 would be a complete loss as well since i'd just run behind ya and wreck your face while you stand there doing Less Damage because you can't weave light attacks.

In short it'd pretty much Break PvP because people don't really get that Blocking is the only thing in this game right now that keeps players from instantly dying.

This is why when you get stunned and knocked on the ground, You get absolutely wrecked in seconds. Your Armor and Resists don't get reduced while you're on the ground. So If you want an example of how fast you'd die to just 1 person, That's how fast it'd be.

Its funny you say you get "Wrecked" if you dont use Block, yet i can survive fine without blocking. There are so many things that keeps you alive, Armor (Bone shield), Heals, Spell resistance, CC break, health. if you relay everything on blocking then its OP. You gotta have abilities to make you survive in pvp. not just a full damage build. thats why you get Wrecked.

and it wouldnt make you die instantly. it would just make it so that you have to think of your position in pvp.

if you fight 2 players. you would then have to think of both of them. and Place yourself and survive against both. if you are able to survive 2 players with blocking without them bursting you because of blocking, it is still OP.

also if you block, you are immune to stun. so ye, good luck stunning a blocking player

This is an example of lack of understanding I was talking about in the Previous Post.

Armor - This only applies to Physical Abilities, Which currently is Limited in this game that actually viable, Even still..You get free Armor Penetration just by entering Cyrodiil...In fact you can see how useful armor actually is by simply looking at the sheer amount of people running around in Light armor.

Heals - You're thinking this will save you, but here is what is going to happen in PvP 9/10...You're going to get hit by Lethal Arrow...And if anyone is using Disease on their weapon, Esp a 2 handed user, You're boned..Because you will not be able to Heal for anything. Because healing debuffs in this game stack. That's completely ignoring the sheer amount of damage you'll just flat out take from behind by people.

Spell Resistance - This does nothing for you in PvP, Anyone with 7/7 Light armor ignores 42% of your spell Resist...It doesn't matter if you have 1800 or 2400..They ignore 42% of it flat out, If they equip a weapon with Spell Pen, and most will...they ignore all your Spell Resist...Meaning you have 0 Spell resist against them.

CC Break - Is not a form of Mitigation.

Health - I can damn near instantly kill most people from stealth if they're not blocking and I attack them from behind. That should tell you how much Health is going to save you.

As for your comment when fighting 2 players, You realize that i can just run through you right? there is nothing you can do that will stop me from hitting you from behind in a 2v1..Nothing...

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Any 2v1 would be a complete loss as well

2v1 is supposed to be a complete loss. It's 2 vs 1. What do you expect? You think one guy should be able to roll through multiple enemies by himself? Now that would be over powered.

OK, does it not count who the 2 are vs the 1? Also, you do not equate player skill. If the 1 has more skill than the 2 combined, and fights well and uses the environment better, why such a shock if the 1 wins? Not saying it should be the case, just food for thought.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Any 2v1 would be a complete loss as well

2v1 is supposed to be a complete loss. It's 2 vs 1. What do you expect? You think one guy should be able to roll through multiple enemies by himself? Now that would be over powered.

OK, does it not count who the 2 are vs the 1? Also, you do not equate player skill. If the 1 has more skill than the 2 combined, and fights well and uses the environment better, why such a shock if the 1 wins? Not saying it should be the case, just food for thought.

It is assumed that 1 + 1 = 2. I didn't say 1.7vs2.2, I said 2 vs 1. These number represent equally matched opponents.

No.....they don't...

David v Goliath

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Any 2v1 would be a complete loss as well

2v1 is supposed to be a complete loss. It's 2 vs 1. What do you expect? You think one guy should be able to roll through multiple enemies by himself? Now that would be over powered.

OK, does it not count who the 2 are vs the 1? Also, you do not equate player skill. If the 1 has more skill than the 2 combined, and fights well and uses the environment better, why such a shock if the 1 wins? Not saying it should be the case, just food for thought.

It is assumed that 1 + 1 = 2. I didn't say 1.7vs2.2, I said 2 vs 1. These number represent equally matched opponents.

No.....they don't...

Yes, they do. When you balance something, you always do it on an even playing field.

Mate, if every player in MMOs that support PvP was equally matched you would not have winners and losers. Too often it seems the difference is to do with gear, in a lot of MMOs which I feel is frankly the wrong way to go, but in good ones as this can be, with the right care it can hopefully be about which player or group of players has MORE SKILL. As an example, take a beat em up game like say, soul calibre, as example. Pit two players, who know each other well against one another, and on paper they are evenly matched however in practice, for every fight, one player WILL be slightly better than the other. No one is ever always evenly matched. Most often, its just being able to notch up the most wins. And that, is the essence of PvP.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This is an example of lack of understanding I was talking about in the Previous Post.

Armor - This only applies to Physical Abilities, Which currently is Limited in this game that actually viable, Even still..You get free Armor Penetration just by entering Cyrodiil...In fact you can see how useful armor actually is by simply looking at the sheer amount of people running around in Light armor.

Heals - You're thinking this will save you, but here is what is going to happen in PvP 9/10...You're going to get hit by Lethal Arrow...And if anyone is using Disease on their weapon, Esp a 2 handed user, You're boned..Because you will not be able to Heal for anything. Because healing debuffs in this game stack. That's completely ignoring the sheer amount of damage you'll just flat out take from behind by people.

Spell Resistance - This does nothing for you in PvP, Anyone with 7/7 Light armor ignores 42% of your spell Resist...It doesn't matter if you have 1800 or 2400..They ignore 42% of it flat out, If they equip a weapon with Spell Pen, and most will...they ignore all your Spell Resist...Meaning you have 0 Spell resist against them.

CC Break - Is not a form of Mitigation.

Health - I can damn near instantly kill most people from stealth if they're not blocking and I attack them from behind. That should tell you how much Health is going to save you.

As for your comment when fighting 2 players, You realize that i can just run through you right? there is nothing you can do that will stop me from hitting you from behind in a 2v1..Nothing...

Armor - try bone shield for once in pvp, you'll see what i mean.

Heals - i have been able to survive for a long time with just healing, i can even give you a link of every dragonknight on youtube that uses Green dragon blood as healing and survive great with it.

Spell resistance - sure, people build against it. but thats what the skill is freakin there for. if you wouldnt be able to build against a resistance then it wouldnt be fair, just like it is against blocking, you cannot counter it.

CC Break - mabye not, but it sure helps you to survive.

health - ok, let me build a full HP tank with just HP enchants + heal upon that with alot of armor. it will let me survive for a while and might give me the time to survive the opening burst.

alright, even if i can argue with you for a while now, we will never be able to understand each other from each point, but that doesnt mean we could see if there's a better way.
An example of a new idea- if a player uses stun against a blocking target infront of him, nothing will happen, but if the player use the stun from behind it will stun him, that way interrupt the blocking for a while but not kill you. <--- this is called brainstorming

Obscure wrote: »

Ummm movement strategies mean about jack *** when the enemy has a huge range charge that roots you on its activation, knocks you down if your not blocking, and can be followed up with a root, like Dark Talons. Then they can just walk behind you since you cannot face while rooted and do something like just Lava Whip you to death or Puncturing Strikes you to death or Mages Fury you to death, whatever. Oh you want to CC break then Dodge? You're using more stamina than it takes them to just Invasion you in the face again and spam more magicka skills. Oh you're blocking? You're still draining that stamina faster than they are. You want to debuff them with something like Heated Blades or Ember Explosion? They swap to restoration staff that ignores miss, and spam AoE's that ignore miss.

Good players don't give a *** about the fancy foot work you learned in Karate class... In ESO it's irrelevant.

psssst. you can roll dodge out of roots

I bet I can root you more times than you can dodge

you sure ? , i have medium armor with reduce cost of roll dodge xD that will be a never ending roll dodge/root competition xD + bow passive

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Oh, I see. Since players can CC, 360 degree blocking is necessary so you don't have to actually break the CC or do anything else other than hold one button down?

I understand.

thats pure skill right there x)

go0f1 wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks to these blocking monsters, that they don´t have stamina anymore?!

Some evidently don't like light attacks. I suppose that Bryan guy is one of them?

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

go0f1 wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks to these blocking monsters, that they don´t have stamina anymore?!

Some evidently don't like light attacks. I suppose that Bryan guy is one of them?

While you're wasting your time throwing light attacks, he's spamming his abilities while holding up a 360 shield. I understand. Obviously the strategy in this game is that everyone holds block all the time.

My point being pet is you are taking this far too seriously. Maybe take 5, have a drink?