technohic wrote: »

^What will Tanks do in PVE.....

1. Stop blocking for just a second to cast, then block again?
2. Maybe have a use for heavy armor by fixing that and also making it to where armor matters beyond any shield that is up when a shield is used.
3. Make it to where the tank actually has the ability to taunt. Seriously. Not sure on group PvE here, but how the hell is a tank going to use DPS spells to pull threat and still actually be "the tank." Whats the DPS then if the tank is doing better?

Bad/bugged design should not be left bad/bugged as a form of balance. Balance should be deliberate in all aspects of the game.

Balance should not be in the game at all. There should be no 1vs1 balance. Blizzard designed a game like that, and has a new expansion coming out. Maybe you should try that.

Dovel wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

^What will Tanks do in PVE.....

1. Stop blocking for just a second to cast, then block again?
2. Maybe have a use for heavy armor by fixing that and also making it to where armor matters beyond any shield that is up when a shield is used.
3. Make it to where the tank actually has the ability to taunt. Seriously. Not sure on group PvE here, but how the hell is a tank going to use DPS spells to pull threat and still actually be "the tank." Whats the DPS then if the tank is doing better?

Bad/bugged design should not be left bad/bugged as a form of balance. Balance should be deliberate in all aspects of the game.

Balance should not be in the game at all. There should be no 1vs1 balance. Blizzard designed a game like that, and has a new expansion coming out. Maybe you should try that.

Listen to what you just said...you want NO balance. LOL! Ok dude... and btw, releasing your Right Mouse Button to unblock for 1 half second while you taunt a boss isn't much...you can go back to your precious blocking right after that as if nothing happened.

fyi, this game is better than anything Blizzard puts out

EvilEmpire wrote: »

You CAN'T block and cast at the same time. If you're casting, you are no longer blocking. Yes, it goes back into the block stance if you're still holding block, but any time you are casting, you are just as vulnerable if you were standing there doing nothing.
No damage is being blocked and you aren't immune to cc while you are casting, whether or not you're holding block.

If someone is just standing there blocking, then keep bashing them because successfully blocking takes quite a bit of stamina and they'll soon be out.

This is only true for channeled or cast time abilities, Instant attacks do not remove defensive bonuses while boxing.

EvilEmpire wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

This is only true for channeled or cast time abilities, Instant attacks do not remove defensive bonuses while boxing.

I don't believe your statement to be true, at all. A while back during testing, any skill used, instant or not, showed zero damage blocked or mitigated in CLS. By all means, prove me wrong, but I have never seen or experienced that to be the case. Like anything, it's all about timing.


edit - and before someone says I'm just one of those guys that only blocks, my pvp build is 2h and bow, but my char is built for s+b, destro, resto, 2h, and bow. Sometimes I even have to play the healer depending on the situation.

I'm not sure I trust your testing tho, in PvP right no no matter what, people are blocking the entire time and casting abilities such as Strife, Blazing Shield, etc. and they can't be CC'd or hardly damaged due to their permanent blocking. Of course you can run down their stamina bar but that can take a while depending on how much stamina they have. I just think it needs to be fixed so you can't block and cast spells at the same time cause in pvp right now it's out of control.

Yea but any good templar will pair immovable with blazing shield, not block.

EvilEmpire wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

I've personally spammed class skills like lava whip and green dragons blood while blocking (and have yet to encounter a DK skill I couldn't cast while blocking), and have even spammed weapon skills such as Whirling Blade and Bombard through a held block. It has successfully mitigated damage and any interruption/CC in every instance provided my stamina wasn't drained. I've deliberately walked into a Volcanic Rune holding block and casting at my targets, ignoring the CC and mitigating the damage.

I'm not buying it. My testing was a few patches back, but at that time, there was zero damage blocked, as shown by CLS, when casting any skill, whether it be class or wep line.

Yes, you can hold block and cast a skill, but as I stated, never in my testing did CLS show that I blocked any damage during the casting of any skill. So you are not blocking at the same time as casting. It's one or the other, you are not blocking and attacking at the same time.

If you can video it and show me, and prove me wrong, then I'll concede that I'm wrong, but I am confident you will find that you do not block any damage at all when you cast any class skill or wep skill.

Just go and test it yourself... Use FTC or any other add on with combat text. Find a simple NPC and check your mitigation. With my dk I can cast while blocking with every skill i've ever tried. I actually started making a list even so that ZOS could see how pathetic this mechanic is.

CLS is wonky anyways. Don't take everything it displays as truth.

I am all for no skills while blocking...except.... shield charge ? Absorb magic ?
These are specialist shield skills that would be nerfed.
So its not as easy or as straightforward as suggested and 'just blocking' leaves me vulnerable.

If you meant 100% immunity while blocking + disable skill bar.... then I would consider it.

chimneyswift_ESO wrote: »

Blocking in PvP is getting out of hand. Everywhere you go, people are just constantly holding block while still casting abilities. ZOS, a great way to balance this issue is to make it so you cannot cast any spells while blocking. Blocking is a very important skill to all Elder Scrolls games, and I am by no means saying nerf it or get rid of it. I just think it's time to make it so you can no longer cast or spam abilities while blocking and taking virtually no damage or while being immune to CC.

Rofl.... "Hey guys lets break the game because I can't figure out how to counter blocking"

Since we have a bunch of people that don't understand how blocking works in this game, I'll explain a few things and how you go about countering it.

First lets look at the numbers

213 - This is the amount of Stamina anyone you see in Light Armor (or Medium Armor) and a Staff (Or any weapon not a 1hd/shield) with no Blocking Glyphs is going to lose every time they block, This means any Multi hit ability is absolutely going to wreck anyone blocking while doing this. These people usually aren't built for stamina either, Things like Dodge Rolls and Break free is also going to wreck their stamina as well.

153 - This is the amount of Stamina anyone in Light/Medium Armor will use if they equip a 1hd/shield. Again remember these players are generally not build for Stamina usually, and if they're wearing things like light armor their Dodge Rolls and Break Free's cost a lot of Stamina. Same thing applies before. If someone is blocking like this just weaving light attacks in on any of your abilities or using Multi hit abilities absolutely wrecks people like this.

53 - This is how much Block cost if you equip 3 Legendary Block Cost Reduction Glyphs on your jewelry, Run Defensive Stance (Or its other morph), and equip 5 pieces of heavy armor. These guys are hard to bring down, But they're bloody suppose to be hard to bring down because they've built themselves that way.

Now with that said, Most of the time I see people complaining about Blocking, Its usually about the first 2 numbers above. Those are the people that are just really causing people so much trouble. Why? Because most people simply don't understand how to counter blocking.

In any Scenario involving a 1v1, If you see someone blocking and you're right next to them...don't Block...Start Beating the ever living crap out of them with Light attacks. Do this while circling the target as well. You will drain the stamina of the person you're blocking. Multi hit attacks also work as well. Even then that's not all you can do to fight Blocking, Any PBAE or AOE will damage the Blocker for 100% of the damage, This includes things like Impulse/Steel Tornado for example. Cone Effects will be blocked though so don't use them. Dual Wielders are esp powerful when dealing with Blockers in a 1v1 because they can do things like Heated Blade which basically means you can apply a 4 Second 100% miss debuff to a Dragon Knight for example that lets ya basically sit there and spam light attacks on the DK while he holds block. He will miss most of his abilities (Except for things like Fiery Breath or Talons). This is useful for draining the stamina of the light armored 1hd/shield dk's.

The absolute most powerful ANTI Block ability in the game comes in the form of the Nightblades Fear (Templars get an Anti Block ability as well, but i've not seen it used). This is a 4 second fear that goes through Block. Once you're hit with it you start running and you can be hit from behind while this is happening. You cannot Block while feared either. So you have 2 choices, You can either sit there and get hit for damage, or you can use Break Free, which is going to cost you a buttload of Stamina.

Now with that said, If you're coming across any player and you have multiple people with you, and they're holding Block...And they're anything but the last Number....You should have zero problem draining their stamina to nothing in a matter of seconds. People who are built for blocking will take a bit, But these are people who run things like 1hd/shield+3 block glyphs and usually Defensive Stance and/or Heavy Armor. They will always take a while but you have multiple ways to hurt them or stop them from Blocking.

In closing....This is a L2P Issue.

chimneyswift_ESO wrote: »

Blocking in PvP is getting out of hand. Everywhere you go, people are just constantly holding block while still casting abilities. ZOS, a great way to balance this issue is to make it so you cannot cast any spells while blocking. Blocking is a very important skill to all Elder Scrolls games, and I am by no means saying nerf it or get rid of it. I just think it's time to make it so you can no longer cast or spam abilities while blocking and taking virtually no damage or while being immune to CC.

Totally agree. Not a PvPer myself as I have not as yet been to cyrodil. However I do not feel you should be able to block and attack at the same time. [I do not count a stamina using shield bash in this]