People are chasing Achievements to unlock dies. However most of higher ranks do in fact stand back and let the lower level people have fun. I just did one where I was a L46 in Auridon. I Impulsed the Cultists, then stood back and let everyone else have the fight, spitting a few fireballs from my staff every once in a while if someone is getting ganged up on.

You might even send out Say or a Zone or even just whisper. Ask them to let you have most of the fight. All you need is one hit or heal during the fight to get credit for the Dolmen. No kills are needed. So, they more than likely would stand down other than a few spells so they get credit. I know I would if asked. I mean it's not that much fun to faceroll a Dolmen, but the Achievements are nice.

Or, you can wait about 15 minutes until the Dolmen comes up again...

That guy kinda sounds like an unusual lamo.

I have been trying to get those "Generals of Molag Bal" achievements, but I usually just heal. Sometimes I throw out a Blazing Spear to stun a Daedroth or take out the incoming orbs of a Harvester. But, yeah, some Vets can be jerks. If they are really ruining the dolmens for you, and you have asked nicely for them to take the dps down a notch and they ignore you, report them.

Natjur wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I have been trying to get those "Generals of Molag Bal" achievements,

A lot of players don't know the right zones that the generals spawn in (I have done the achievement on two of my V12's) and they are killing the same Dark Anchors again and again and wondering why they only ever get the same four generals. I was on an alt and trying to 'teach' the V12, but no one listened (some were even afk spamming)

I am sure you know the right zones, but there are so many that don't

One V12 can clear all three anchors in a zone. The more people at the anchor the more mobs that spawn, so a lot of V12's are TRYING to annoy other players so they don't come and try and therefore the clearing of the anchors is faster.

If they changed the veteran anchors so they also were zone set (1 in 4 change of the boss you want instead of 1 in 16) I am sure they would move to those ones instead.

Enlighten us.

When I was farming my Daedric Lord Slayer title I started by letting the lowbies catch up and hit the mobs, but some of them are just so rare that over time I blazed through the Dark Anchors as quickly as I could. I was happy when I completed one before anyone else got there. You can easily solo an anchor in a minute, but if two people show up, suddenly it takes like five minutes.

My time is not more valuable than yours, but yours is not more valuable than mine.

Hmmm and here I was thinking I was being helpful bringing along my VR3 Templar to heal you when 2 or 3 fools start engaging the mobs and getting killed. I'll just let you die then.

If you are doing anchors in vet area you get some loot but it's not worth it because repair's cost lot more money. That's why im doing it in low level areas. You know that when you did anchors once it is not enough for achievements.

People always go for the easiest path.

The problem is that the generals only spawn in a semi-predictable (4 per zone) manner in non-VR zones. In VR zones (and Cyrodil) the spawn rate is still bad, but you can get any general in any zone... so getting specific generals you missed while leveling up is super crazy hard.

If the devs changed the spawns in VR zones to match the low zones...., some people would kill stuff where they could get loot and grind skill XP... some people would still be jerks.... but right now ~10% change to get any of the 16.. its just too crazy for anyone to bother with.

Making the generals more common would not hurt either.

Vet players are spoiling the dolmens because the achievement is so grindy that it's ridiculous. I've heard people do over 350 dolmens to get it.

This has been happening since launch. There are many inconsiderate over-leveled players in the lower level zones farming anchor achievements or simply showing off.

OP, I know this is not ideal, but just wait for the dolmen to respawn or move to a different dolmen. There are three dolmens per zone, so if you encounter over-leveled players at one, try another. It takes approximately ten minutes to respawn after one has been destroyed, so chances are high that the over-leveled players will be gone by the time you've completed another dolmen.

Good luck!

Not sure you can get any general in any vet dolmen.

I was stuck at the last general, Ogrim brothers, I think, I went over dolmens after dolmens in normal and vet 1 - 6 zones, and it finally spawned in v10 zone in the last "new dolem" I did.

I think the mechanism is more complex, and you have to do all the dolmens at least once.

Slurg wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Usually i just heal when the low lvl player are fighting , my heals pretty much make them immortal and i always get credit :P.

That's a really good idea. I don't currently use resto staff but was wanting to go get some levels on that. I missed a bunch of bosses the first time through the dolmens so I want to go back. This is probably the best way to do it without pissing people off.

Indeed. I will get a few light hits in for credit then either heal or tank and let the on-level players kill everything.

If the make Generals drop at every Dolmen in any Zone all the time, which makes the Dolmen more fun anyway, this would not be a problem.
Perhaps even drop two to make it a challenge.

To all: This becomes an issue as a result of about three things:

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[*] The achievements - People of all levels want to earn these, and not just for the dyes.
[*] Becoming overleveled - if you do all the quests, you will end up being overleveled, well before Vet. It's been requested to be able to tone down XP gain (as an option) to make fewer greyed out quests.
[*] Lack of scaling - If fights scaled with the number of people and the levels of people, everyone could benefit. VR mobs could spawn to attack the VR types. Level appropriate mobs could spawn for the level appropriate types. Right now, this is difficult to implement because damage is damage and affects all. (It would almost have to be a sort of reverse-battle-leveling.)
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Another alternate scaling method would be to beef up the mobs that drop when a VR is present, but to also beef up the abilities of the allies nearby. Something to the affect of a Rally / Powerful Presence passive...

Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »

I have asked them and they just ignore me or say things like "I'm here to do this efficiently not let you people mess around, my time is valuable." As far as waiting...tried it, they just show up again and the cycle repeats.

@Jennifur_Vultee‌, unfortunately, you're going to run into your share of ***hats that way. There are more of us out there that try to be considerate as we were lower level once too.

Same with dungeon runs. I'll let a group know I'm overleveled, and will heal and give them the choice whether or not that want me to help DPS, even in a tight circumstance.

Most of the people want to earn it. We try to respect that.

Sounds like you're going about it right. If you get a response like that, Screenshot it and let CS know. (Ahead of time, to my fellow overleveled's, if you're not being callous, you have nothing to worry or complain about.) Any higher level can let you get enough hits in for kill credit before dealing the final blow.

This used to be a big issue with Bosses, too. Another alternative is to Group with the VR. You'll get credit automatically as a group member.

They do have a right to their achievement, so long as it's not blocking yours.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Usually i just heal when the low lvl player are fighting , my heals pretty much make them immortal and i always get credit :P.

@Nox_Aeterna‌ Agreed. This is by far the simplest way. Throw a HoT spell and let them have at it. I usually won't jump in unless someone's absoultely getting whooped.

Maverick827 wrote: »

When I was farming my Daedric Lord Slayer title I started by letting the lowbies catch up and hit the mobs, but some of them are just so rare that over time I blazed through the Dark Anchors as quickly as I could. I was happy when I completed one before anyone else got there. You can easily solo an anchor in a minute, but if two people show up, suddenly it takes like five minutes.

My time is not more valuable than yours, but yours is not more valuable than mine.

Again, scaling would remedy much of this.

phatbandit wrote: »

vets coming back to farm dolmens shows a definite lack of planning, when i got this achievement back in may, i got every general in a zone before moving on to the next, that way i still needed help to complete - didn't take anything away from anybody. my problem was no-one wanted to help - it was like pulling teeth!

@phatbandit‌, everyone's not going to proceed in the same order. Spawn times make it less likely to have all achievements, so I don't think it's an issue of planning. It's not like you have to try to end up being overleveled.

Most aren't going to cease progress in the game in order to have planned achievements out of the way first.

TheAmu wrote: »

As a Vet character I would like to apologize ahead of time for any inconvenience caused by my presence at a vastly lower level dolmen. But I'll try not to be a jerk if and when I choose to go after these achievements.

@TheAmu‌, don't apologize. Just be reasonable when you go about it.

Slurg wrote: »

That's a really good idea. I don't currently use resto staff but was wanting to go get some levels on that. I missed a bunch of bosses the first time through the dolmens so I want to go back. This is probably the best way to do it without pissing people off.

@Slurg, you don't have to. Drop Blood Altar (Undaunted), a shield, a buff of any kind (FG has several) and it will go this direction. You can also break out a Level 1 weapon to degrade your own DPS and even it out. (Just don't forget to swap back!)

BrassRazoo wrote: »

If the make Generals drop at every Dolmen in any Zone all the time, which makes the Dolmen more fun anyway, this would not be a problem.
Perhaps even drop two to make it a challenge.

@BrassRazoo, Drop two, sure.

Drop one every time? Nah. It's supposed to be an event.

Definitely should scale though - should be enough of a swarm to match (or perhaps even outmatch) the number of players present.

That would also make it more epic and would bring more people to the Dolmens.

(Personally, I think it should be a race against time, too. Don't drop the anchor pins in a certain timeframe, they reset or defend via spells, etc.)

Good luck, all.

Unfortunately, the achievement "General Executioner" (that gives not only a colour but also a title) can be obtained much more easily in the non veteran zones, not because the monsters are easier - I'm pretty sure most VR players would prefer doing anchors of their own level where they can get skill exp and drops! - but because in non veteran zones you will get a random rare boss out of 4. In veteran zones you will get a random one out of 16.

I did dark anchors in the VR 10 zone for this achievement until I realized the chances to get the bosses I need are so much better in the low level zones so the game's design pretty much forced me to go there to get this achievement. I never stood back and waited for 2 reasons: 1: The anchors take longer the more players are fighting there and if you need to do hundreds of anchors we're looking at a lot of time that can be lost here. 2: Players that are there at the end get the full exp reward no matter what (when leveling alts I never had the problem of not getting the reward for clearing a dark anchor if I was there during the fight).

If anyone's to blame here, it's not the VR players trying to get this achievement, it's the game designers that made low level dolmens the only reasonable way to get it.