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Emperor Issue on Blackwater Blade NA

Rylana
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Good afternoon, Mr. Wheeler. I am the reigning emperor of Blackwater Blade NA and an issue has come up that may not have been forseen when designing the non veteran campaigns.

Currently at veteran rank 1, a player is kicked out of the campaign, which is what should happen, but if that player is the sitting emperor, the faction that worked to obtain emperor loses their emperor.

Additionally, in order for them to regain emperor, they literally have to surrender to the other two factions until such time as they take back all six interior keeps so the strong faction can again recrown.

I am currently level 44, and if I level out this is the scenario that will develop. When I hit VR1 tomorrow or the next day or whenever, and EP still controls the entire map, my faction will control the entire map without an emperor sitting and also without the ability to gain a new emperor without basically stopping playing and giving up our score advantage to yellow/blue. My faction will also lose their health bonus through no fault of their own.

Essentially my faction has to surrender the map due to the fact I will be kicked out of the campaign. This also discourages others from seeking emperor, since no matter how high they get on the leaderboard, they cannot obtain it until keeps flip.

Are there any plans to address this issue in the future, such as the ability to shut off XP gain in Cyrodiil, an alternative way to pick a successor, or a way to reset the map when the campaigns reset every five days?

Id like to point out that NO OTHER CAMPAIGN suffers this same dilemma. Its the levelout problem, we need to have a way to shut off XP gain. Xandora on Bow of Shadows is in the same situation as I am in, EP Emperor of a totally red campaign, with very little chance of ever being deposed, but the difference is they will keep it no matter if they play or not, whereas I will lose it to the detriment of my faction if I continue playing.

Please let us know.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Names in Thread Titles]
Edited by ZOS_SilviaS on August 15, 2014 5:45AM
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  • Rudyard
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    While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

    How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

    Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.
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  • Rylana
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    I would tend to concur with the sentiment surrounding just completely resetting the campaign. I understand there are safeguards in place now to prevent Emperor farming via abdication that was done in the past, but these same safeguards are also the reason I cant even abdicate to help out the issue.

    Not that Id really want to, mind, but either way via level or via self abdication we are going to be stuck in the same scenario. No emp on a red controlled map with very little chance of it ever flipping back. (barring AD/DC getting some serious population growth or good coordination going). With the map red, it is discouraging the other two factions from even trying. Its sort of a double edged sword. We either give up all we have earned, or the map stays red and dead without an emp for however long.

    The only way I can actually help the campaign is if I simply do not play my character. That way you still have emp as you deserve, but thats a stopgap and totally unfair to me.
    Edited by Rylana on August 14, 2014 10:38PM
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  • driosketch
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    FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

    Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."
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  • ldwulfub17_ESO
    Yeah, I'm in DC in that campaign and we're pretty much permanently screwed. I'll abandon PVP if this is how it will stay. I expected the campaign reset to give us a shot at competing.
  • Rylana
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    driosketch wrote: »
    FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

    Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

    I am pretty sure they plugged that hole a while back. There was a whole thread complaining about it and ZOS said it would be fixed because a certain group was using it to emperor farm. O_o
    Edited by Rylana on August 14, 2014 11:15PM
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  • KBKB
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    Rudyard wrote: »
    While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

    How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

    Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

    This dear god this, also V5 mobs. Zenimax needs some people who specialise in logic because they are missing a *** load of it left, right and centre.
  • driosketch
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    Rylana wrote: »
    driosketch wrote: »
    FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

    Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

    I am pretty sure they plugged that hole a while back. There was a whole thread complaining about it and ZOS said it would be fixed because a certain group was using it to emperor farm. O_o
    Huh, I was not aware. You wouldn't have a link to the thread by chance? Sounds like a fun read.
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  • Rylana
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    driosketch wrote: »
    Rylana wrote: »
    driosketch wrote: »
    FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

    Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

    I am pretty sure they plugged that hole a while back. There was a whole thread complaining about it and ZOS said it would be fixed because a certain group was using it to emperor farm. O_o
    Huh, I was not aware. You wouldn't have a link to the thread by chance? Sounds like a fun read.

    I have no idea where the thread is now, but if you ask people they will mention the 48 hour lockout timer. If an emp leaves the campaign no one on that faction can crown for 48 hours, so they say, which was done to stop the farming using the method you described. (unless another faction emps up, and then is deposed)

    Thats why a lot of the emp farming guilds are dual factioning nowadays.

    I am in a guild that crowned four emperors on dawnbreaker last cycle, and all of them had to do it the normal way, flipping one keep back and forth didnt work.
    Edited by Rylana on August 14, 2014 11:32PM
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  • Vez
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    Rudyard wrote: »
    While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

    How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

    Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

    I couldn't agree more. I was the first Emperor on this campaign (last week) and I was very disappointed to see that the only thing that was reset was the AP leaderboard and the Alliance score.

    The difficulty of taking a keep with the current V5 level of NPCs makes this campaign very slow. It's much too easy to defend a keep and much too difficult to take one. The archers can 1-shot any non-emperor. A lot of times it felt more like PvE than PvP. If anything, a 5 day campaign should move quicker, not slower due to the ease of entrenching because of V5 NPCs.

    Also, this campaign is the first time many players and characters will be PvPing. They are starting from scratch with no AP to purchase Forward Camps, siege equipment and repair equipment. So many times I have seen sieges and defenses lost because of the lack of forward camps, running out of siege equipment, and successfully captured and defended keeps not getting repaired - not necessarily because people were being stingy with their AP but simply because they didn't have enough AP to purchase more.

    My suggestions are:
    • Reset everything at the start of each new campaign: AP, leaderboard, Emperor, keeps, scrolls.
    • Set NPCs at VR1.
    • Make a modest cost reduction to forward camps, siege, and repair equipment.
  • Vez
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    One more thing, RE: the OP:

    Being able to turn off XP gain at will so that players can twink it out at level 49 rolling over first-timers indefinitely is not going to solve anything and will bring with it a bunch of new problems. I sincerely hope Zenimax won't seriously consider that suggestion.
  • Mitharus
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    Yeah, I'm in DC in that campaign and we're pretty much permanently screwed. I'll abandon PVP if this is how it will stay. I expected the campaign reset to give us a shot at competing.

    This... So much this. *sigh*

    I'm in EP on this campaign, and trying to bring this up to folks is like talking to a brick wall. It's mostly "Screw 'em. Just take everything."

    There's no reason for us to take and hold a factions inner triangle past the point of opening their gates for Scroll runs. We shouldn't even be repairing them, so that when the Scrolls have been grabbed, it's easy for the owning faction to retake. This may not fall into line of proper "we need to win!!11" game play, but screw that. I'd rather have a stalemate between all three factions, with no emp crowned, but lots of back and forth and actual, you know PvP battles, then yet another dead campaign.

    IIRC, they can't change the NPC to vr1, as that is part of the campaign that's shared between every one. I believe that's why they're messing with the buff you get in Cyro.

    @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌
    On this short campaign, a full campaign reset would be nice if possible. That gives each faction the same chance starting out at the beginning of the cycle. This one faction domination... kills it.

    Maybe, if possible, make it so a faction cannot repair any keeps that are "home keeps" of another faction (Emperor keeps excluded)? This would give a faction a, as much as I dislike this phrase, 'home field advantage' for certain keeps. For these home keeps I'd even like to see the guards "turn" when it gets 50% taken or so (1 flag captured). So not only would the other factions need to worry about the attackers, but guards once it gets closer to being back in the home factions control. Again, this wouldn't be for Emperor keeps, only the others that are considered home keeps.

    -M
  • Ifthir_ESO
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    Rylana wrote: »
    Good afternoon, Mr. Wheeler. I am the reigning emperor of Blackwater Blade NA

    Not that your post doesn't have value but I cannot stop laughing that you, someone who posts non-stop about PvP, made your 4th alt Emperor on the non-vet campaign.

  • driosketch
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    Vez wrote: »
    Rudyard wrote: »
    While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

    How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

    Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

    I couldn't agree more. I was the first Emperor on this campaign (last week) and I was very disappointed to see that the only thing that was reset was the AP leaderboard and the Alliance score.

    The difficulty of taking a keep with the current V5 level of NPCs makes this campaign very slow. It's much too easy to defend a keep and much too difficult to take one. The archers can 1-shot any non-emperor. A lot of times it felt more like PvE than PvP. If anything, a 5 day campaign should move quicker, not slower due to the ease of entrenching because of V5 NPCs.

    Also, this campaign is the first time many players and characters will be PvPing. They are starting from scratch with no AP to purchase Forward Camps, siege equipment and repair equipment. So many times I have seen sieges and defenses lost because of the lack of forward camps, running out of siege equipment, and successfully captured and defended keeps not getting repaired - not necessarily because people were being stingy with their AP but simply because they didn't have enough AP to purchase more.

    My suggestions are:
    • Reset everything at the start of each new campaign: AP, leaderboard, Emperor, keeps, scrolls.
    • Set NPCs at VR1.
    • Make a modest cost reduction to forward camps, siege, and repair equipment.
    This is pretty true regarding the cost of the campaign. I don't know what it it is, but it's almost impossible to make headway on AP gain. I started last campaign with 30000ap and several siege borrowed off my main. It took me three nights to earn enough points just to make tier 1 and be eligible to get a reward. I pretty much spent and used up all of that, and the reward was a mere 187g. We have people show up to sieges with nothing, and I don't blame them.

    Resetting sounds good on paper. I just fear it's going to lead to a lot of factions giving up as soon the map gets covered in an opposing color, and just wait for the reset.

    Cyrodiil offers incentives to push forward and be aggressive in taking objectives, but that has an end point where it's pretty easy to lock up a map. I find a map completely own by one faction is no fun to play on no matter what side you're on. I think ZOS knows so too, and that's why there are two gates and the transit paths to enemy gate keeps are locked off. To prevent an alliance from being pinned back to their spawn point. It still happens though. So I considered some ways to make holding enemy keeps more difficult without having to resort to a reset.

    -No NPC guards spawn when you capture one of your enemy's gate keeps. You could even extend this to the choke point and outskirt keep as well.

    -Allow transit shrine points elsewhere in you're home area, like for instance to a FC without needing to die. At the same time, make FC in enemy home territory only work for those who die in its circle of influence.

    This would allow an alliance to push to take a scroll while not leaving a dead campaign behind in their wake. A little volatility should keep things interesting for all sides. You max out bonuses after 9 keeps owned I think, so even those that want their bonus campaigns wouldn't end up killing the action like the 7 day one is now. I know ZOS has some ideas to help underdog factions. But what they are and how they work if they are even implemented I haven't a clue.
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  • Rylana
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    Ifthir_ESO wrote: »
    Rylana wrote: »
    Good afternoon, Mr. Wheeler. I am the reigning emperor of Blackwater Blade NA

    Not that your post doesn't have value but I cannot stop laughing that you, someone who posts non-stop about PvP, made your 4th alt Emperor on the non-vet campaign.

    Its all about the dyes dude, all about the dyes.

    Not really.

    I saw an opportunity and I took it.
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  • Rylana
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    Well so far tonight AD seems to have gotten their numbers back. They have a zergball of about 40 or so, DC has a raid out there. Been a frustrating night to be fair. Only lost Alessia on the ring so far, but yellow is playing for keeps tonight, no pun intended.

    I need 100k XP to reach level 50. Will you dethrone me before I am kicked out the campaign?

    Stay tuned and find out. >_>

    Either way tonight is my final night on Blackwater Blade. Whether I am deposed or I level out of the campaign, this has been a real blast and it was my honor to be emp.

    Zenimax, I guess we are about to have the first leveled out Emperor in ESO ever. What is going to happen? Are we going to basically have a forced abdication? I still think you need to revisit this. If an emp levels out the crown should pass on somehow. It isnt fair to my EP teammates that they are about to lose their buffs just because I am going to be forced out of the campaign.
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  • HeroStomp13
    I think the problem is the player created cross faction guilds that are working together from both DC and AD players, I could be wrong however. But let me ask you this who is the Blackwater Dominion (player created guild on AD side) and why do they "own" an AD outpost.
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  • Dleatherus
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    is the emperor farming still going on?

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