While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

driosketch wrote: »

FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

I am pretty sure they plugged that hole a while back. There was a whole thread complaining about it and ZOS said it would be fixed because a certain group was using it to emperor farm. O_o

Rylana wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

FYI, you don't need to surrender all six keeps. Just one and retake it, assuming someone has the AP earned to claim it after the leaderboard reset.

Also, very little sympathy for the bonuses of the alliance that steamrolls any map. I'm going to call this a "first faction ESO problem."

I am pretty sure they plugged that hole a while back. There was a whole thread complaining about it and ZOS said it would be fixed because a certain group was using it to emperor farm. O_o

Huh, I was not aware. You wouldn't have a link to the thread by chance? Sounds like a fun read.

Rudyard wrote: »

While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

I couldn't agree more. I was the first Emperor on this campaign (last week) and I was very disappointed to see that the only thing that was reset was the AP leaderboard and the Alliance score.

The difficulty of taking a keep with the current V5 level of NPCs makes this campaign very slow. It's much too easy to defend a keep and much too difficult to take one. The archers can 1-shot any non-emperor. A lot of times it felt more like PvE than PvP. If anything, a 5 day campaign should move quicker, not slower due to the ease of entrenching because of V5 NPCs.

Also, this campaign is the first time many players and characters will be PvPing. They are starting from scratch with no AP to purchase Forward Camps, siege equipment and repair equipment. So many times I have seen sieges and defenses lost because of the lack of forward camps, running out of siege equipment, and successfully captured and defended keeps not getting repaired - not necessarily because people were being stingy with their AP but simply because they didn't have enough AP to purchase more.

My suggestions are:

• Reset everything at the start of each new campaign: AP, leaderboard, Emperor, keeps, scrolls.
  
• Set NPCs at VR1.
  
• Make a modest cost reduction to forward camps, siege, and repair equipment.

ldwulfub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I'm in DC in that campaign and we're pretty much permanently screwed. I'll abandon PVP if this is how it will stay. I expected the campaign reset to give us a shot at competing.

This... So much this. *sigh*

I'm in EP on this campaign, and trying to bring this up to folks is like talking to a brick wall. It's mostly "Screw 'em. Just take everything."

There's no reason for us to take and hold a factions inner triangle past the point of opening their gates for Scroll runs. We shouldn't even be repairing them, so that when the Scrolls have been grabbed, it's easy for the owning faction to retake. This may not fall into line of proper "we need to win!!11" game play, but screw that. I'd rather have a stalemate between all three factions, with no emp crowned, but lots of back and forth and actual, you know PvP battles, then yet another dead campaign.

IIRC, they can't change the NPC to vr1, as that is part of the campaign that's shared between every one. I believe that's why they're messing with the buff you get in Cyro.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌
On this short campaign, a full campaign reset would be nice if possible. That gives each faction the same chance starting out at the beginning of the cycle. This one faction domination... kills it.

Maybe, if possible, make it so a faction cannot repair any keeps that are "home keeps" of another faction (Emperor keeps excluded)? This would give a faction a, as much as I dislike this phrase, 'home field advantage' for certain keeps. For these home keeps I'd even like to see the guards "turn" when it gets 50% taken or so (1 flag captured). So not only would the other factions need to worry about the attackers, but guards once it gets closer to being back in the home factions control. Again, this wouldn't be for Emperor keeps, only the others that are considered home keeps.

-M

Vez wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

While this is a valid issue, I think a much larger issue for the ongoing health of the campaign is that keep ownership did not reset when the campaign restarted. Right now EP owns most of the keeps on the map, and almost all the enemy keeps and all the enemy scrolls in EP's possession were acquired in the last campaign that ended yesterday.

How discouraging must it be for AD and DC players logging into the non-veteran campaign right now? As a matter of fairness, shouldn't the whole map reset when the campaign starts over?

Sure, as an EP player, we are starting off way ahead. But a campaign is only fun if you have someone to fight.

I couldn't agree more. I was the first Emperor on this campaign (last week) and I was very disappointed to see that the only thing that was reset was the AP leaderboard and the Alliance score.

The difficulty of taking a keep with the current V5 level of NPCs makes this campaign very slow. It's much too easy to defend a keep and much too difficult to take one. The archers can 1-shot any non-emperor. A lot of times it felt more like PvE than PvP. If anything, a 5 day campaign should move quicker, not slower due to the ease of entrenching because of V5 NPCs.

Also, this campaign is the first time many players and characters will be PvPing. They are starting from scratch with no AP to purchase Forward Camps, siege equipment and repair equipment. So many times I have seen sieges and defenses lost because of the lack of forward camps, running out of siege equipment, and successfully captured and defended keeps not getting repaired - not necessarily because people were being stingy with their AP but simply because they didn't have enough AP to purchase more.

My suggestions are:

• Reset everything at the start of each new campaign: AP, leaderboard, Emperor, keeps, scrolls.
  
• Set NPCs at VR1.
  
• Make a modest cost reduction to forward camps, siege, and repair equipment.

This is pretty true regarding the cost of the campaign. I don't know what it it is, but it's almost impossible to make headway on AP gain. I started last campaign with 30000ap and several siege borrowed off my main. It took me three nights to earn enough points just to make tier 1 and be eligible to get a reward. I pretty much spent and used up all of that, and the reward was a mere 187g. We have people show up to sieges with nothing, and I don't blame them.

Resetting sounds good on paper. I just fear it's going to lead to a lot of factions giving up as soon the map gets covered in an opposing color, and just wait for the reset.

Cyrodiil offers incentives to push forward and be aggressive in taking objectives, but that has an end point where it's pretty easy to lock up a map. I find a map completely own by one faction is no fun to play on no matter what side you're on. I think ZOS knows so too, and that's why there are two gates and the transit paths to enemy gate keeps are locked off. To prevent an alliance from being pinned back to their spawn point. It still happens though. So I considered some ways to make holding enemy keeps more difficult without having to resort to a reset.

-No NPC guards spawn when you capture one of your enemy's gate keeps. You could even extend this to the choke point and outskirt keep as well.

-Allow transit shrine points elsewhere in you're home area, like for instance to a FC without needing to die. At the same time, make FC in enemy home territory only work for those who die in its circle of influence.

This would allow an alliance to push to take a scroll while not leaving a dead campaign behind in their wake. A little volatility should keep things interesting for all sides. You max out bonuses after 9 keeps owned I think, so even those that want their bonus campaigns wouldn't end up killing the action like the 7 day one is now. I know ZOS has some ideas to help underdog factions. But what they are and how they work if they are even implemented I haven't a clue.

Well so far tonight AD seems to have gotten their numbers back. They have a zergball of about 40 or so, DC has a raid out there. Been a frustrating night to be fair. Only lost Alessia on the ring so far, but yellow is playing for keeps tonight, no pun intended.

I need 100k XP to reach level 50. Will you dethrone me before I am kicked out the campaign?

Stay tuned and find out. >_>

Either way tonight is my final night on Blackwater Blade. Whether I am deposed or I level out of the campaign, this has been a real blast and it was my honor to be emp.

Zenimax, I guess we are about to have the first leveled out Emperor in ESO ever. What is going to happen? Are we going to basically have a forced abdication? I still think you need to revisit this. If an emp levels out the crown should pass on somehow. It isnt fair to my EP teammates that they are about to lose their buffs just because I am going to be forced out of the campaign.

is the emperor farming still going on?

D.