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emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭It's something they don't recommend, but it isn't against the EULA, so you can do it.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —1 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As long as you're doing it yourself as a player it's fine. Set up a bot to do all the work for you, and you'll run the risk of getting splat by the banhammer. Farming is fine as long as it's you doing it, and you're not turning around selling your gains for real currency.
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »As long as you're doing it yourself as a player it's fine. Set up a bot to do all the work for you, and you'll run the risk of getting splat by the banhammer. Farming is fine as long as it's you doing it, and you're not turning around selling your gains for real currency.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the issue is not the farming but the logging in and logging out repeatedly in order to get rare drops.
If you are logging in and out every minute, or faster, then I could see them having an issue because this will hit their system harder and could potentially impact performance of the server as a whole.
There is already an army of hoarders logging in and out constantly as they switch between mule alts. Just logging in and out a few times per hour is not going to be noticed.
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭why did you title this gold farming? That is not gold farming? Was it titled like that to evoke stronger emotions in people?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.4 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
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Sure it is. If the goal is to loot items to be converted to gold instead of being used by the player, then it's gold farming.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »why did you title this gold farming? That is not gold farming? Was it titled like that to evoke stronger emotions in people?
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭DenverRalphy wrote: »
Sure it is. If the goal is to loot items to be converted to gold instead of being used by the player, then it's gold farming.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »why did you title this gold farming? That is not gold farming? Was it titled like that to evoke stronger emotions in people?
no it's not. Gold farming is a term used specifically for people farming gold to be sold by companies. It is a practice the wrecks game economies. You are using the term inappropriately, especially since the people involved aren't breaking any rules or being a detriment to the game.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
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No, you are incorrect. Gold farming is the act of obtaining gold through some manual, repetitive process; typically killing mobs over and over to loot the gold they drop. This is something players can do legitimately to increase their own wealth.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »
Sure it is. If the goal is to loot items to be converted to gold instead of being used by the player, then it's gold farming.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »why did you title this gold farming? That is not gold farming? Was it titled like that to evoke stronger emotions in people?
no it's not. Gold farming is a term used specifically for people farming gold to be sold by companies. It is a practice the wrecks game economies. You are using the term inappropriately, especially since the people involved aren't breaking any rules or being a detriment to the game.
The term pre-dates organized gold sellers (the actual term you're looking for) as we know them today.Edited by Maverick827 on August 14, 2014 1:52PM7 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
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You're glomming Gold Farming and Gold Selling into one entity. For as long as MMOs have been around Gold Farming has always referred to killing/looting for the purpose of earning gold, regardless whether you're a legit player or a gold seller.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »
Sure it is. If the goal is to loot items to be converted to gold instead of being used by the player, then it's gold farming.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »why did you title this gold farming? That is not gold farming? Was it titled like that to evoke stronger emotions in people?
no it's not. Gold farming is a term used specifically for people farming gold to be sold by companies. It is a practice the wrecks game economies. You are using the term inappropriately, especially since the people involved aren't breaking any rules or being a detriment to the game.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Ok then everyone in the game should be banned. They are all gold farming or ap farming. Half the game is doing things to get gold.
Running trials and selling drops .. gold farmer ban.
Farming mats and selling gear .. gold farmer ban.
Crafting gear and putting it on guild store .. gold farmer ban.
PvPing to accumulate AP .. ap farming ban.6 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 14, 2014 2:01PM6 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.
Because in ESO everything someone doesn't personally like is an exploit!
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.
Because in ESO everything someone doesn't personally like is an exploit!
You obviously don't understand what an exploit is. Items have timers. The developers made this decision. Any method of getting around these timers is an exploit. You are using a loophole to change what the developers wanted.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 14, 2014 2:08PM6 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.
Because in ESO everything someone doesn't personally like is an exploit!
You obviously don't understand what an exploit is. Items have timers. The developers made this decision. Any method of getting around these timers is an exploit. You are using a loophole to change what the developers wanted.
So the same devs that have stated animation canceling was not intended but isn't an exploit consider everything that isn't intended an exploit? Please link me a dev post stating it is an exploit.
The original intent does not equal how a game ends up. The devs start with an idea then they see how the game is played and they adjust based on that, just like animation canceling. If they didn't want it to happen they would simply make it so you can't do it. They may have not intended for people to log in and out but they are well aware that it happens and they don't consider it an exploit. They have never hinted in any way that they consider it an exploit. You are taking it upon yourself to speak for the devs intent and what is and is not an exploit, which seems extremely common in this game.6 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.
Because in ESO everything someone doesn't personally like is an exploit!
You obviously don't understand what an exploit is. Items have timers. The developers made this decision. Any method of getting around these timers is an exploit. You are using a loophole to change what the developers wanted.
So the same devs that have stated animation canceling was not intended but isn't an exploit consider everything that isn't intended an exploit? Please link me a dev post stating it is an exploit.
The original intent does not equal how a game ends up. The devs start with an idea then they see how the game is played and they adjust based on that, just like animation canceling. If they didn't want it to happen they would simply make it so you can't do it. They may have not intended for people to log in and out but they are well aware that it happens and they don't consider it an exploit. They have never hinted in any way that they consider it an exploit. You are taking it upon yourself to speak for the devs intent and what is and is not an exploit, which seems extremely common in this game.
You're speaking nonsense in an attempt to prove against the obvious. Their intent is very clear. Items have timers. Any method to get around this is an obvious exploit.5 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭While farming for items is part of the game, logging out to reset container timers seems like an exploit. I highly doubt the developers were like 'Let's give these items a timer before they spawn again, but if the player logs out and comes back, it will reset'. That little detail was discovered later as a way to go around the developers intent, and is an exploit.
Because in ESO everything someone doesn't personally like is an exploit!
You obviously don't understand what an exploit is. Items have timers. The developers made this decision. Any method of getting around these timers is an exploit. You are using a loophole to change what the developers wanted.
So the same devs that have stated animation canceling was not intended but isn't an exploit consider everything that isn't intended an exploit? Please link me a dev post stating it is an exploit.
The original intent does not equal how a game ends up. The devs start with an idea then they see how the game is played and they adjust based on that, just like animation canceling. If they didn't want it to happen they would simply make it so you can't do it. They may have not intended for people to log in and out but they are well aware that it happens and they don't consider it an exploit. They have never hinted in any way that they consider it an exploit. You are taking it upon yourself to speak for the devs intent and what is and is not an exploit, which seems extremely common in this game.
You're speaking nonsense in an attempt to prove against the obvious. Their intent is very clear. Items have timers. Any method to get around this is an obvious exploit.
Timers can persist through logout why don't they? You are the one trying to quote your personal opinion as developer intent. Can you provide some documentation that what you are saying is what the devs intended or are you just assuming it is their intention?3 -
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✭not an exploit, feature that is not being use as intended, but not an exploit. Exploits get you banned, this doesn't. ZOS can't guess every use of a given feature, so some will be used in an unexpected way, but that doesn't mean they will ban you for it or that you are in the wrong.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 14, 2014 2:41PM4 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
You are the one making claims that something that is well known and done by thousands of people a day is an exploit and are making claims about the developers intent and timers .. I'm pretty sure the burden of proof lies with you in this one.3 -
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✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
Here ya go.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.5 -
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✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
You are the one making claims that something that is well known and done by thousands of people a day is an exploit and are making claims about the developers intent and timers .. I'm pretty sure the burden of proof lies with you in this one.
The timers exist. That's clear proof of their intent.DenverRalphy wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
Here ya go.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
You should post a link to the thread.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 14, 2014 2:52PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
Here ya go.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
You should post a link to the thread.
Click the little arrow to the right of the person in the quote.
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
You are the one making claims that something that is well known and done by thousands of people a day is an exploit and are making claims about the developers intent and timers .. I'm pretty sure the burden of proof lies with you in this one.
The timers exist. That's clear proof of their intent.DenverRalphy wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
Here ya go.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
You should post a link to the thread.
The timers reset on logout, that is clear proof they intend them to be reset on logout.2 -
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Proof?
BTW, not all exploits are bannable. That's really a developer decision.
Here ya go.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »This is not something we consider an exploit or bannable offense. Though it's working as designed, we do intend to make some improvements to the current design.
You should post a link to the thread.
Click the little arrow to the right of the person in the quote.
/threadDear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Not to be difficult here...but can someone explain the grand purpose behind having absurd amounts of gold past a certain point, unless it's to benefit their guild or offset the war?
Seems to me it's as much work to do this, to get the gold, to buy other stuff, to not have to do the work to find the other stuff??
Aside from the two possibilities above or the bragging rights of being an ESO bazillionaire, what does a cool million get you that 100k doesn't?
(Having enough) Gold is not an issue for me. I fail to see what having 10 times that amount does for anyone.
And for those arguing the finer points of exploit/non-exploit, it may not be bannable, but pretty sure this was not the dev's intent. Doesn't need to be carved in stone to figure that one out, or the argument wouldn't even be taking place.
Saying that because the system currently allows you to do it makes it 'ok' is uses the same logic as 'It's not wrong unless you get caught.' C'mon.
It's why the ToS tell you to report anything you 'think' might be one.
Kudos to the characters with character.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Saying that because the system currently allows you to do it makes it 'ok' is uses the same logic as 'It's not wrong unless you get caught.' C'mon.
Did you miss the part where they stated that it's working as designed, and is not considered an exploit?
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