It is a bit weird that after 4 months of constantly being told that enchanting is way too hard that they have done nothing. Obviously I feel for those that did invest masses of time and money into the soul-destroying grind to level enchanting but it is just way too hard compared to the other professions.

I am not a fan of massive changes that take the devs weeks to plan so how about a 1 minute of effort change? I like your idea. Just go to the line of code that defines the reward for deconstructing glyphs and add a 1.5 multiplier. Enchanting will still be stupidly slow...but better.

I am Rank 50. It was harder than the other professions, yes, but it wasn't that hard. Just find an enchanting buddy and trade glyphs. I stopped trading around Rank 45 and then just deconstructed looted glyphs after that.
Patience is a lost virtue in todays society.

bearclawmcbainb16_ESO wrote: »

Patience is a lost virtue in todays society.

you always presume this much? Maybe i have a bundle of alternate crafters, and a highest toon at lvl18 despite playing since pre-launch. Maybe i am older than you, so today's or yesterday's societies and them young people falls a touch off. Maybe.

Or maybe illogical is just illogical. Occasionally.

I did enchanting the hard and expensive way but I'd be totally fine if they re-did enchanting to make it on line with the other crafts. Then I could easily get all my other toons to rank 32 and give them all 3/3 hirelings. Win win.

Wouldn't take more than green glyphs dropping in landscape PvE or from deconstructing armour/weapons to bring Enchanting in line with the other crafts. The only reason it levels so slow is that without a crafting buddy you can only deconstruct white ones. Blacksmithing and clothing would take just as long if you had to do it this way.

And no, having a crafting buddy should not be mandatory, it's about the dumbest gameplay mechanic I've seen regarding crafting.

"Glyph trading" seems kind of lame. Feels like exploiting. Might as well up the XP to the same amount you'd get by trading.

KariTR wrote: »

You know those of us with rank 50 in other professions are still researching right? That is, our crafts are not finished and complete either.

While true, my woodworkers been finished for a while

Sure enough, woodworking has the fewest researching to be done, but I am sure that isn't your only trade.

I am currently researching the last traits on shield, resto and lightning staff, but still have two traits to learn on frost. As I can only do one of those at a time, it will be end of September/early October before I am done.

ETA: So that's a trade with 6 items to research, imagine how long it is taking us to research crafts with 14 items. Enchanters have it no worse, comparatively.

There is nothing wrong with Enchanting leveling up besides avaibility of looted glyphs.

Enchanting leveling up with the same speed as BS,Wood or Clothier.

Enchanting is just one of the most expensive skill to level up, but not hardest.
I would even say that if you have gold Enchanting is the easiest and fastest skill to level up actualy. Just buy potency and aspect runes and make green\blue glyphs for decon. Making green\blue gear and decon gear crafted by other player wont give as much result with other crafting skills.

While enchanting probably most important and profitable crafting skill there is nothing wrong with it beeing more expensive to level.

It needs to be balanced to be in line with the other crafting professions.

Provisioning needs to be slowed down (you can level it all the way to 50 making level 2 or 3 cooking recipes).

Enchanting needs to be sped up a bit to make it less tedious.

As it stands, Enchanting is the only profession that is not enjoyable to do. I dread when I have to level up my enchanting because I know it's going to be another slow and tedious grind to attempt to get another level out of it. Sometimes I wonder why I bother doing it at all.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I'd be satisfied with the "find a buddy" mechanic, if there wasn't such a disparity between essence, potency, and aspect runes. At any given time, I have stacks and stacks of essence runes, a mediocre amount of potency runes (but a really crummy supply of the proper tier), and rarely ever enough aspect runes, to spend any decent amount of time swapping glyphs with a buddy.

The buddy system OR the rune disparity would each be fine with me. But both together is just unneeded frustration.

Yes. They make you spend skill points to up your "aspect rune finding ratio". I don't really agree with that. The fact that you need three components instead of one just to do one enchanment in my mind is unfair enough, then they have to go and make one of those components difficult to find.

And here come the usual posts like "it shouldn't be easy," "just trade with others," and "I leveled it up, why don't you spend agonizing hours doing it too?"

Nobody said it should be "easy." We just want it to be reasonable.

I once spent three hours straight in The Rift trying to find somebody to trade with me and had no luck.

Not all of us are masochists.

A profession shouldn't require hours upon hours of additional work just to keep it concurrent with your character level. Sure, it should require attention and effort, but I shouldn't have to spend an entire day just catching it up because my character level skyrockets while my enchanting crawls.

What should require this kind of effort is some sort of end-game bonus to enchanting, but the way that crafting was designed in this game doesn't leave room for dedication leading to meaningful progression. You can either craft at your level or you can't. It's all or nothing. Once you're a high level, you have access to everything the skill can offer. Other games at least keep the crafting level matching your character's progression but keep certain advanced aspects and rewards (recipes, etc) exclusive to those who put in the extra effort.

Addendum: As somebody noted, BS / WW / CL all have research, which is a reward for long-term dedication, despite being able to keep the crafting concurrent with your level. These are designed in a way that is much better and actually makes sense.

jrgray93 wrote: »

And here come the usual posts like "it shouldn't be easy," "just trade with others," and "I leveled it up, why don't you spend agonizing hours doing it too?"

Nobody said it should be "easy." We just want it to be reasonable.

I once spent three hours straight in The Rift trying to find somebody to trade with me and had no luck.

Not all of us are masochists.

A profession shouldn't require hours upon hours of additional work just to keep it concurrent with your character level. Sure, it should require attention and effort, but I shouldn't have to spend an entire day just catching it up because my character level skyrockets while my enchanting crawls.

What should require this kind of effort is some sort of end-game bonus to enchanting, but the way that crafting was designed in this game doesn't leave room for dedication leading to meaningful progression. You can either craft at your level or you can't. Once you're a high level, you have access to everything the skill can offer. Other games at least keep the crafting level matching your character's progression but keep certain aspects (recipes, etc) exclusive to those who put in the extra effort.

You assume people who oppose making it easier don't already find it reasonable. Wanting a crafting system that requires effort also doesn't = masochism.

As it is, You can take the simpler crafts and create VR12 gear by the time the character is in their 40s just from casual deconstruction. Enchanting appears to be the only craft with an appropriate leveling scale that will last a player to VR12 with casual extraction(and VR12 glyphs are only level 40 enchanting IIRC).

Let me take this oppertunity to clarify something. Enchanting is not hard.
The definition of hard means something is a challenge. Enchanting is not a challenge, it's a grind. It takes ages to level up since the amount of XP received for constructing and deconstructing glyphs is low compared to the other professions. Taken into account that you need 3 items to create a single glyph instead of 2 with the other professions (material and style, apart from Provisioning) and the fact that the spawnrate of Enchanting-material nodes is low in comparison to the other professions, that all makes Enchanting a drag and a grind.

Does grinding make Enchanting hard? No.
Does Enchanting need a make-over or a boost (or both)? Most definately!

As I understand it, the developers wanted to have at least one Profession that was challenging. I think that's a good thing. It values the Profession better, makes the endproduct more valuable to sell and you get a sense of accomplishment once you've succeeded to max that Profession. All good things.

However, the implementation of the challenge is wrong IMHO. If you want to make a Profession challenging, you shouldn't make it a drag to gather the resources. You want to make it difficult to gather (some of) the resources.

I suggest the following:
- At every 10 or so levels, before you're able to level up, you will need to gather some specific resources to prove you're worthy of the next level of glyphs. (let's call these "steps" for the time being)
- Those resources are bound and thus can't be bought from guildies or a vendor.
- The resources are guarded by some evil Daedra, group of bandits or merry band of clowns. You'll think of something.
- Every new "step" will send you off to a new, actually challenging, enemy to gather the new resources from.
- These enemies can only be solo-ed since it's your own Profession you're working on. No grouping here, so you'd better get your A-game out. This is where the challenge lies. By creating a really tough (group of) enemy(s) with stuns, melee and ranged attacks, healing, etc. all combined.
- The resources you gather from these enemies can be used in some special amulet (hey, why not give us the option to craft our own ring/amulet here?) for some high and mighty King, Queen, Lord, or whatever. Look at that, a few more quests to complete!
- Completing these quests will award you the next "step" in your Enchanting, giving you the ability to create new, higher level glyphs.
- (Oh yeah, I shouldn't have to mention this, but I will anyway: adding this doesn't mean Enchanting doesn't need an XP boost. It desperately does to get rid of the grinding)

So that's my 2 cents. Bringing a challenge to a grinding experience. Hope you'll agree

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

guys, get a crafting partner and decon each other's glyphs. I stayed at level like this and am currently level 49 in enchanting.

This. Though it's also worth noting that my enchanter has been doing nothing but extracting dropped glyphs and creating white glyphs from materials and he's VR 3 with 33 enchanting. Still on par with leveling.