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Motifs drop rate stealth nerfed again ?
killedbyping
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Can any1 confirm that he looted any rare Motifs after 1.3.3 patch ?
It seems to me that Motifs drop rate were stealth nerfed quite abit.
I found several VR5 Purple drink and Food recipes and 0 Motifs since patch.
Edited by killedbyping on August 13, 2014 11:59AM It seems to me that Motifs drop rate were stealth nerfed quite abit.
I found several VR5 Purple drink and Food recipes and 0 Motifs since patch.
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.----
Murray?7 -
Swampster✭✭✭Yeah I'd say so.. in fact it appears to me that many more cupboards etc appear already open and empty than they have done for a good while...Swampriel - Nightblade (Archer Build) - Ebonheart Pact - Veteran
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
And this is why i am asking if any1 can confirm that he looted any rare motifs since patch...
Its been over a week since patch and i farmed them really ALOT. Even more then i did it before. 0 loot. This aint normal and this IS a drop rate nerf.Edited by killedbyping on August 13, 2014 12:40PM2 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
And this is why i am asking if any1 can confirm that he looted any rare motifs since patch...
Its been over a week since patch and i farmed them really ALOT. Even more then i did it before. 0 loot. This aint normal and this IS a drop rate nerf.
Or you could be unlucky.
I've had people insist that rare material drops from refinement were nerfed, despite me getting at least 1 dreugh wax per day from my clothing refinements.
A few people not getting a specific drop for a few days does not constitute a system-wide issue. There may have been a change to the drop rate, but you don't have enough data to say anything remotely conclusive.----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
Actually it is data. Two accounts of a situation are data. While it might not be enough data to come to a conclusion they are two points of data.9 -
kimboh✭✭✭✭Yes, I got a Barbaric motif yesterday. Wasn't farming, just found it.Status: offline<l Cygnus X|VR14|Sorc l><| Romulus Prime|VR12|Temp |><| Qwoptus |lvl30|DK|><| DC|EU |>4 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
Actually it is data. Two accounts of a situation are data. While it might not be enough data to come to a conclusion they are two points of data.
I hope you don't work in any field that requires math.
Data points are, "I opened X containers prior to patch 1.3 and found Y motifs. Post-patch, I have opened X containers and found Y motifs."
Stories are, "It feels like I'm getting fewer motifs from containers." Notice the lack of any objective informational points. You can't make a graph of, "some" vs. "not as many," because there's no measurement to be taken. It's a subjective anecdote, not a data point.----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
Actually it is data. Two accounts of a situation are data. While it might not be enough data to come to a conclusion they are two points of data.
I hope you don't work in any field that requires math.
Data points are, "I opened X containers prior to patch 1.3 and found Y motifs. Post-patch, I have opened X containers and found Y motifs."
Stories are, "It feels like I'm getting fewer motifs from containers." Notice the lack of any objective informational points. You can't make a graph of, "some" vs. "not as many," because there's no measurement to be taken. It's a subjective anecdote, not a data point.
So two accounts of people opening X containers after the patch with 0 motifs don't count as data points because it helps your argument? Like I said it isn't enough data to come to a conclusion but it is data. 0 motifs since patch is not "some" or "not as many" it is 0 as in a number which is a data point. The only unknown to us is the number of attempts. I clearly stated this is not enough data to come up with a conclusion that the rate has changed but you have a special knack for getting whatever fits your argument out of what is written.12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
Actually it is data. Two accounts of a situation are data. While it might not be enough data to come to a conclusion they are two points of data.
I hope you don't work in any field that requires math.
Data points are, "I opened X containers prior to patch 1.3 and found Y motifs. Post-patch, I have opened X containers and found Y motifs."
Stories are, "It feels like I'm getting fewer motifs from containers." Notice the lack of any objective informational points. You can't make a graph of, "some" vs. "not as many," because there's no measurement to be taken. It's a subjective anecdote, not a data point.
So two accounts of people opening X containers after the patch with 0 motifs don't count as data points because it helps your argument? Like I said it isn't enough data to come to a conclusion but it is data. 0 motifs since patch is not "some" or "not as many" it is 0 as in a number which is a data point. The only unknown to us is the number of attempts. I clearly stated this is not enough data to come up with a conclusion that the rate has changed but you have a special knack for getting whatever fits your argument out of what is written.
How many containers is X? Is it the same for both people? Over how many days? How does it compare to the drop rate before the patch? I'm not even talking about enough data to draw a conclusion. There's not enough information to even put a point on the hypothetical graph of glyph drops. All we have right now are two vague anecdotes of bad luck. It doesn't mean that there wasn't a change, but it certainly doesn't constitute a pattern.
I know I've had weeks between rare drops, and then I've had 5 in an hour, all during the same patch cycle. Random is random.----
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sure. If you think that the plural of "anecdote" is data.
Two of you not receiving as many motif drops since the patch is not confirmation that they aren't dropping at the same rate. It's reasonable to assume that if a container has a chance to drop an epic item that an increased recipe drop rate may decrease the epic motif drop rate at the same time. However, we have no confirmation that this is what's happened.
Actually it is data. Two accounts of a situation are data. While it might not be enough data to come to a conclusion they are two points of data.
I hope you don't work in any field that requires math.
Data points are, "I opened X containers prior to patch 1.3 and found Y motifs. Post-patch, I have opened X containers and found Y motifs."
Stories are, "It feels like I'm getting fewer motifs from containers." Notice the lack of any objective informational points. You can't make a graph of, "some" vs. "not as many," because there's no measurement to be taken. It's a subjective anecdote, not a data point.
So two accounts of people opening X containers after the patch with 0 motifs don't count as data points because it helps your argument? Like I said it isn't enough data to come to a conclusion but it is data. 0 motifs since patch is not "some" or "not as many" it is 0 as in a number which is a data point. The only unknown to us is the number of attempts. I clearly stated this is not enough data to come up with a conclusion that the rate has changed but you have a special knack for getting whatever fits your argument out of what is written.
How many containers is X? Is it the same for both people? Over how many days? How does it compare to the drop rate before the patch? I'm not even talking about enough data to draw a conclusion. There's not enough information to even put a point on the hypothetical graph of glyph drops. All we have right now are two vague anecdotes of bad luck. It doesn't mean that there wasn't a change, but it certainly doesn't constitute a pattern.
I know I've had weeks between rare drops, and then I've had 5 in an hour, all during the same patch cycle. Random is random.
Random is Random and Data is Data. Unless you skip 90% of everything you quote I said multiple times it isn't enough data to draw a conclusion. But it is data no less. The definition of data isn't the exact amount of information required to draw a conclusion. Data is any information that combined with other data can be used to draw a conclusion.8 -
zhevon✭✭✭✭I noticed the same thing and was wondering if it was a current streak of luck; but my testing certainly wasn't a large sample set. Usually after a couple of days one normal motif would drop previously; it hasn't. Just a niggle but no proof.Edited by zhevon on August 13, 2014 2:09PM1
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Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Random or Fact is difficult to explain without actual official Numbers. Everyone here can only post their Experience they have had with the Motifs.
I have looted often before Patch 1.3.2 and i never found two Epic Motifs in a Row. Recipes and Motifs seems to have a Timer maybe but this is only my personal Sight.
After the Patch 1.3.2 i haven`t found any Motif and i search for Hours sometimes. Epic Recipes i found some but no Motifs anymore.
Before the Patch i found often in the same Time of searching one epic Motif. I mean they drop not so often yet.
We have no Facts, only the personal Experience and mine is the same as the OP one. Others have others, so it is.Edited by Murmeltier on August 13, 2014 1:18PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have not collected any data points or made any graphs or have done any statistical analysis. But, since the patch 1.2 I have not found any racial motifs. I have had to buy them from Guild Stores.
I play everyday, and look in every piece of furniture and backpack I see.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭I've found an orc one and I've only clicked on the few wardrobes etc inside Bruma1 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I looted an imperial motif the other day.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭I have not found any motifs in the last month
I haven't found any in months personally.
I've been chatting with a few individuals in my guild who actively farm motifs and whatnot and they are under the impression it has been reduced. Alternatively, purple recipes seem to be more common.. so there's that.
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I looted an imperial motif the other day.
Where exactly and when ? Was it AFTER patch 1.3.3 ?0 -
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✭✭I have accumulated 1000 lockpicks from opening boxes post 1.3 and I have looted 0 Motifs. I have looted 2 epic recipes though.
Hows that for some data. Must be a coincidence right?4 -
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✭✭I haven't found one single purple motif ever since the introduction of the RP gear in containers. Whatever patch it was. That was the nerf. Every RP item in a container is taking up a spot from the RNG that could otherwise be a motif.
I even started a thread about it shortly after that patch. I was counting containers. (No I don't mean crates and barrels) I stopped counting at 1,000.
That was weeks ago and I still haven't found one.
Pretty sad that the only solution to logout farmers is to nerf the drop rate to the point where you stand almost zero chance of finding one unless you spend the whole day logging in and out. Which I refuse to do.Edited by Alphashado on August 14, 2014 8:04AM1 -
Noctisse✭✭✭Haven't noticed any difference pre- or post-patch.
I've never found a rare motif, but the ''regular'' ones keep showing up regularly, even though I'm not actively farming for them.
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✭Contrary to what some people in this thread think, even a single person's experience over a longer period of time does constitute statistically sound evidence that something changed with random drops in the game.
It might be a bug that affects only some people, but I would definitely say that the drop rate changed dramatically for me.
I routinely open most containers I find during questing, I play an hour or two almost every day, and I have found only one single common motif since the patch that introduced stupid, useless white gear loot in containers. Before that, I would regularly find around one motif per day without even trying. I agree that it was way too easy to farm for them for a while, but now they are way too rare.
Perhaps the game is looking at what I have in the bank, sees a few unread common motifs waiting for my crafting character to level up, and decides "farmer scum, no motif for you"? That kind of snooping would make me feel a little bit uneasy with the game mechanics, I must say, and I hope that is not the case.
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✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »Contrary to what some people in this thread think, even a single person's experience over a longer period of time does constitute statistically sound evidence that something changed with random drops in the game.
It might be a bug that affects only some people, but I would definitely say that the drop rate changed dramatically for me.
I routinely open most containers I find during questing, I play an hour or two almost every day, and I have found only one single common motif since the patch that introduced stupid, useless white gear loot in containers. Before that, I would regularly find around one motif per day without even trying. I agree that it was way too easy to farm for them for a while, but now they are way too rare.
Perhaps the game is looking at what I have in the bank, sees a few unread common motifs waiting for my crafting character to level up, and decides "farmer scum, no motif for you"? That kind of snooping would make me feel a little bit uneasy with the game mechanics, I must say, and I hope that is not the case.
Na. I have checked thousands (yes plural) of containers in my v6+ zone since the white garbage gear patch w/o finding a single rare motif and I've never had more than a couple normal motifs in the bank.
It's bad luck to be sure. I still haven't found a purple recipe even though they obviously increased the drop rate on them since 1.3.
But now it's just getting ridiculous. I feel like I have a better chance of finding Bigfoot than a Daedric motif.
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rob_ber✭✭✭After the patch: 2 purple recipes and barbaric motif~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Been here for too longPC EU
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broer✭✭I have farmed V5+ area a lot and got 5 purple recipes but no motifs. It seems drop rate is low or broken....1
