nerf blocking

Maulkin · August 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to block if you have a bow or staff equipped.

Point 1:
In that case you shouldn't be able to block with anything other than shield. not sure why the stick makes a worse blocking device than daggers for example? I'm all for this but it would have to lead huge changes in the design of the game as the damage dealt out of block is huge and the time-to-kill would collapse.

u can parry attacks with daggers and small swords, completely block attacks with 2h swords and axes/maces, but blocking a wrecking blow with your bowstring or treebranch is a bit ridiculous

I'm not expert on medieval fighting but I'd guess it depends what kind of attack you're trying to parry. I don't think you'd put daggers in the way of a war axe's chop, or a war-hammer for that matter. Logic tell me you'd either shield block them or dodge.

Logic also dictates that someone with daggers would really struggle to get past a moving knight's armor.

This is a fantasy game, not based on reality. If certain players could not mitigate dmg at all through blocking then PvE would have to be reworked to compensate for the sudden increase in difficulty.

Maulkin · August 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Point 1:
why does the stick make a worse blocking device than daggers for example?

Because a stick will break?

While the daggers would block fireballs just fine eh?

RensDG · August 2014

If you "nerf" blocking. Nerf spamming too. As soon as you use a skill for more then 5 times in a row an automatic lockdown comes for that skill, disabling the use of the skill for the next 10 minutes. That wil learn all the spammers. Now i have to block less when i pop my head over a cyrodiil keep wall

zScars · August 2014

RensDG wrote: »

If you "nerf" blocking. Nerf spamming too. As soon as you use a skill for more then 5 times in a row an automatic lockdown comes for that skill, disabling the use of the skill for the next 10 minutes. That wil learn all the spammers. Now i have to block less when i pop my head over a cyrodiil keep wall

how will that work for other skills, such as healing springs

Atreyu · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Now with that settled, Less discuss this whole bs about Stamina Builds not being competitive against Magicka Builds, That only applies to Trials in this game, Stamina Builds are perfectly fine in PvP, and I absolutely wreck Magicka based Caster builds all day long without breaking a sweat. What your suggestion would do is absolutely gut what little use Stamina Builds would have in this game, as everything would be moving over to a More Range oriented based system because you'd die the second you charged into any fight as a melee character.

Also nothing is wrong with 2 hander and Dual Wield in PvP, neither of those sets are lagging behind 1 handed/shield in any regard.

Lol what?!

Yes u can do fine with a stamina build, but you are no way as competitive as a magicka or light armor DK.

Those kind of DK go around stomping 1vX players.

What can u do as a stamina DK? Win that 1v1? 1v2? Awesome! It shows in your videos also.

The cookie cutter DK magicka builds are running around stomping on group of players by themselves.

Xsorus · August 2014

Atreyu wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Now with that settled, Less discuss this whole bs about Stamina Builds not being competitive against Magicka Builds, That only applies to Trials in this game, Stamina Builds are perfectly fine in PvP, and I absolutely wreck Magicka based Caster builds all day long without breaking a sweat. What your suggestion would do is absolutely gut what little use Stamina Builds would have in this game, as everything would be moving over to a More Range oriented based system because you'd die the second you charged into any fight as a melee character.

Also nothing is wrong with 2 hander and Dual Wield in PvP, neither of those sets are lagging behind 1 handed/shield in any regard.

Lol what?!

Yes u can do fine with a stamina build, but you are no way as competitive as a magicka or light armor DK.

Those kind of DK go around stomping 1vX players.

What can u do as a stamina DK? Win that 1v1? 1v2? Awesome! It shows in your videos also.

The cookie cutter DK magicka builds are running around stomping on group of players by themselves.

And yet, I kill Magicka/light armor DK's all the time

Atreyu · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

And yet, I kill Magicka/light armor DK's all the time

I don't doubt that a stamina build can 1v1 them.

Heck, even a dual wielding build is actually pretty amazing for duelling.
Dual wield / resto staff DK I think it's damn good for 1v1s. If I were to duel myself with this build against my normal magicka build, I think my magicka setup would lose.

But I do know for sure that with those setup u can't do much more than that tho. Cyrodill is about zergs, even when roaming. I solo roam, I build my DK to be able to fend off multiple enemies at once cos that's what's gonna happen in cyrodill most of the time, you get attacked by 2-3/4+ players at once.

And every melee setup but Shield is lagging way behind in that.

edited last part not to derail too much from the thread.

Xsorus · August 2014

Atreyu wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

And yet, I kill Magicka/light armor DK's all the time

I don't doubt that a stamina build can 1v1 them.

I do know for sure that you can't do much more than that with those kind of stamina build.

edited not to derail from thread.

The only time you're killing multiple people in a video (aka groups) is when you fight a bunch of bads who don't heal and who wear no crit resist gear.

Its rare that you run into people that moronic out in PvP.

Atreyu · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

The only time you're killing multiple people in a video (aka groups) is when you fight a bunch of bads who don't heal and who wear no crit resist gear.

Its rare that you run into people that moronic out in PvP.

Not rare at all.
It is indeed most of the time not exactly the elitè of pvpers that get caught in these situations.
But at the same time it's too easy to blame the opponents, and it's actually the opness and efficacy of such builds that play a bigger role in being able to win those fights.

And Crit resist or not, it doesn't really matter.
Such DKS are not geared towards crit chance at all.
As most pvpers that know what they are doing do not gear/spec towards crit chance since they know other good pvpers are using impenetrable.

Persephonius · August 2014

Harnesh wrote: »

I agree actually had a discussion on Reddit about this when the game first released. The act of blocking should cost stamina, not hold down the block button and it will cost stamina only if you get hit. It would become more reactionary. I see some people and the only time their not blocking is on horse back and in the interest of full I get pretty close to that myself. It really hurts someone trying to get a quick opener on you just hold the block button down never get surprised removes any skill or timing.

But you are ignoring the PvE facet of the game. Stamina management as a tank would become alot more complicated in veteran trials/dungeons if you loose stamina just by keeping your shield up as well.

Xsorus · August 2014

Atreyu wrote: »

Atreyu wrote: »

The only time you're killing multiple people in a video (aka groups) is when you fight a bunch of bads who don't heal and who wear no crit resist gear.

Its rare that you run into people that moronic out in PvP.

Not rare at all.
It is indeed most of the time not exactly the elitè of pvpers that get caught in these situations.
But at the same time it's too easy to blame the opponents, and it's actually the opness and efficacy of such builds that play a bigger role in being able to win those fights.

And Crit resist or not, it doesn't really matter.
Such DKS are not geared towards crit chance at all.
As most pvpers that know what they are doing do not gear/spec towards crit chance since they know other good pvpers are using impenetrable.

Its very easy to blame opponents, I've played as a Caster DK before, I know exactly what type of player dies to a Caster DK. Esp groups of them. You also don't have to be even geared for Crit all that much. If you're running no Impenetrable you die incredibly quick in this game.

Don't believe? Go find a video right now of a DK killing a large group of people, Hell any class killing a large group of people, and I bet you will find one thing in common with them. The people in that video are getting crit.

Hell, go to 4:30 in my latest video, Watch how fast I kill those 3 people after that 1 nightblade dies. Those aren't even sub 50 players like you see in most videos, Those are Vr level players...and realize something more silly, I was using a Two hander while doing that.

Persephonius · August 2014

RensDG wrote: »

If you "nerf" blocking. Nerf spamming too. As soon as you use a skill for more then 5 times in a row an automatic lockdown comes for that skill, disabling the use of the skill for the next 10 minutes. That wil learn all the spammers. Now i have to block less when i pop my head over a cyrodiil keep wall

Erm, the spamming effect becomes kind of unavoidable when everyone can only place 5 abilities on there bar to use. Generally the abilities won't all be 5 different damaging abilities, you would have defensive and cc orientated abilities as well. This leaves virtually no choice but to spam the one, two or three different attacks that you can fit on your bar.

Coming from other MMO's with a comparitively inflated number of abilities, having to keybind in excess of over 40 skills/abilities sometimes, I once thought that the 5 bar limit was a turn off (this was before actually playing the game). But now I quite like it. However the ability spam is an inherent aspect of this system.