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Are you with the ability to change Megaservers?

Azraeel
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Will you use a feature/option/paid service that gives you the ability to change from one Megaserver to another? In example, from EU to US or from US to EU? This way if you have friends, or would like to play over on another Megaserver, you won't need to start all over again.
Edited by Azraeel on August 8, 2014 9:58AM

Are you with the ability to change Megaservers? 90 votes

Yes
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No
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  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    By change from one megaserver to another, I meant move a character.
  • zgrssd
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    No
    Since we have the megaservers instead of dozens of small ones, where your character is does not really mater.
    You just pick the one whose timezone/playerbase timezone closest fit's your own timezone.
    Also a decent chunk of stuff is account bound, like the accountbank. So transfering Characters is not that usefull/might causes issues with uniqueness.

    I can see use for a transfer between the two seperate Console Servers and the PC servers.
    If there is any real need to switch servers it will be along those lines, not NA/EU.
    Edited by zgrssd on August 8, 2014 10:20AM
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  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    zgrssd wrote: »
    Since we have the megaservers instead of dozens of small ones, where your character is does not really mater.
    You just pick the one whose timezone/playerbase timezone closest fit's your own timezone.
    Also a decent chunk of stuff is account bound, like the guildbank.

    I can see use for a transfer between the two seperate Console Servers and the PC servers.
    If there is any real need to switch servers it will be along those lines, not NA/EU.

    Many other games implemented this feature without an issue. There would be several rules of course, like you won't be able to transfer with your character any kind of banks (Guild/Server Bank). You would only transfer the character with the inventory and achievements. I think it is fair enough to anyone. Guilds are associated with your account, and not a character, so it shouldn't be an issue if you transferred one character, it works as if you deleted one character, you shouldn't lose your guilds.
  • Auralia
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    No
    No, have no reason to move to the other server.
  • Enodoc
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    Yes
    While I wouldn't use it, I can see why it would be wanted. I would even support two options, Character Transfer as suggested, where only your one character's stats and inventory are transferred, or Account-wide Transfer where everything is transferred, including Bank, but you'd lose your Guilds and you wouldn't be allowed to have any characters on the destination server beforehand, and/or if you did, they would be lost.
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  • Inversus
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    Yes
    I don't need it, but I can see how I might suddenly realise that a lot of friends play it, but then realise that they're all on the NA server - leaving me alone :(
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    Character transfer seems plausible and useful in some cases - but then again, I don't think it's overly important and currently development time would be better spent elsewhere in the game.
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  • Tandor
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    No
    In years to come this is undoubtedly something to be considered, but not at the present time, it would be an unnecessary opportunity for things to go wrong. If you picked the wrong server initially then it's easy enough to switch and re-roll.
  • AlexDougherty
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    Not going to vote, I won't be using such a service, but I can see why others would.

    As such I am firmly staying on the fence, ouch a splinter.
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  • UrQuan
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    No
    I've already got my max number of alts on both megaservers. Because of that, if there was an ability to transfer characters from one to the other, I wouldn't be able to use it.
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  • theyancey
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    Yes
    I've played lots of games where you could do this for a fee. That is real money, not game gold. I don't have a problem with it if it can be done easily.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Yes
    Sorry , i misread the thread , thought you meant support such thing.

    I personally would not use it , but i think there should be an option for those that would. This woudnt be a problem to anyone and would help some , so why not?

    Ofc , there are issues i learned the hard way with this kind of thing , for example once i had to tranfer a char in SWTOR and lost my chars name in the process since the server already had a char with it.
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  • UrQuan
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    No
    Sorry , i misread the thread , thought you meant support such thing.
    Hmm, I read it as "would you personally use such a feature if it existed" but now I'm not sure - you may be right. If that's the case, I'd change my vote. I wouldn't personally use a feature like this, but I'd support it being available for others.
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  • KariTR
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    No
    No.

    Well unless it is the good folk on NA who want to move in. Then it would be OK >:)
  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    Yeah, maybe I should have said "Would you like to have" instead of "will you use", but either way, I hope zenimax takes it into consideration.
  • Wolfshead
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    Or you can just buy game again and make new account on other server it will alot easy i think for i don't ZOS will make that service happen anytime soon the have more import thing to do.
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Yes
    Wolfshead wrote: »
    Or you can just buy game again and make new account on other server it will alot easy i think for i don't ZOS will make that service happen anytime soon the have more import thing to do.

    You dont need to buy the game again , all accounts can play on either server , you just need to select a different one.

    Ofc , all your chars ... is lost on the other server , which is why the OP is asking for this.
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  • KariTR
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    No
    Wolfshead wrote: »
    Or you can just buy game again and make new account on other server it will alot easy i think for i don't ZOS will make that service happen anytime soon the have more import thing to do.

    You don't have to buy the game again. One account gives you access to all three servers, if you have room to download them all.
  • UrQuan
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    No
    Wolfshead wrote: »
    Or you can just buy game again and make new account on other server it will alot easy i think for i don't ZOS will make that service happen anytime soon the have more import thing to do.
    You don't have to buy a new account to do that. One account with one subscription allows you to play up to 8 characters on each megaserver.
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  • ThisOnePosts
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    Yes
    I am for the option yes, HOWEVER there should be limits. Like 1x per year without proof that you moved to that area of the world.

    I mean Australia is on the NA server, and that's great because a few of my real friends are living there at the moment.

    You should be able to transfer your account, but with limits that are within reason. There's no reason anyone should need to transfer back and forth. Or if they transfer and are having severe lag problems, that be the only way they can switch back within some sort of allotted time frame.

    However firstly, we should be able to change our characters looks. I am happy with mine, but I don't see why that feature isn't in the game.. it is an MMO after all.

    Also, if someone is from for example Italy, but moves to the USA, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to change servers IF THEY WANT TO (but not making it mandatory).
  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    I am for the option yes, HOWEVER there should be limits. Like 1x per year without proof that you moved to that area of the world.

    I mean Australia is on the NA server, and that's great because a few of my real friends are living there at the moment.

    You should be able to transfer your account, but with limits that are within reason. There's no reason anyone should need to transfer back and forth. Or if they transfer and are having severe lag problems, that be the only way they can switch back within some sort of allotted time frame.

    However firstly, we should be able to change our characters looks. I am happy with mine, but I don't see why that feature isn't in the game.. it is an MMO after all.

    Also, if someone is from for example Italy, but moves to the USA, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to change servers IF THEY WANT TO (but not making it mandatory).

    One year is a huge limit, one month or few weeks should be enough. However, if it was a paid service, then I doubt anyone would abuse it in any way.
  • david271749
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    Yes
    I don't need it, but I can understand why someone would need this. $15.00 transfers would be a decent way to rake in some extra cash.
  • dimmanxak
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    Yes
    Just one question: why not?
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  • Merlin13KAGL
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    How about local character import/export/backup locked to the account?

    This would cure the 8 character limit (without the pains of chosing who must die), but would also prevent selling of leveled characters like in another game...

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  • Woolenthreads
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    No
    I used to and I can see where you might want to, if you want to simply swap servers. However, in their boots, I would then make the character limit actually 8 rather than the current 16 you have with both servers (sorry @Merlin13KAGL but if you install the other server you have 16 characters, they state this on their website, I currently have 11 "I am not an Altoholic").

    I could wish for communication between the servers, mind you, since it's a hassle having things on one server that I want for characters on the other (like a weapon trait).
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  • Flexar
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    I'd rather Zenimax focussed on more important matters, but I'm not against the idea. I wouldn't want to switch servers myself, though.
  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    I used to and I can see where you might want to, if you want to simply swap servers. However, in their boots, I would then make the character limit actually 8 rather than the current 16 you have with both servers (sorry @Merlin13KAGL but if you install the other server you have 16 characters, they state this on their website, I currently have 11 "I am not an Altoholic").

    I could wish for communication between the servers, mind you, since it's a hassle having things on one server that I want for characters on the other (like a weapon trait).

    I don't understand what is moving a character from server to another has anything to do with the total limit. One of the prerequisites of moving is having at least one space open on the other server. It is just for those that want to switch servers but not start all over again.
  • TehMagnus
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    No
    One switch per account allowed, after that make people pay. It will avoid abuse.
  • Woolenthreads
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    No
    Azraeel wrote: »
    I used to and I can see where you might want to, if you want to simply swap servers. However, in their boots, I would then make the character limit actually 8 rather than the current 16 you have with both servers (sorry @Merlin13KAGL but if you install the other server you have 16 characters, they state this on their website, I currently have 11 "I am not an Altoholic").

    I could wish for communication between the servers, mind you, since it's a hassle having things on one server that I want for characters on the other (like a weapon trait).

    I don't understand what is moving a character from server to another has anything to do with the total limit. One of the prerequisites of moving is having at least one space open on the other server. It is just for those that want to switch servers but not start all over again.

    Currently, if you have characters on both servers then you have up to 16 characters (the post above mine claimed an limit of eight). There is currently no communication between the servers, by which I mean, there is no messaging or any other communications apparently possible and you cannot transfer anything between the servers, they are separate. I think that if they did that the Transfers Protocols would have to tie the currently separate banks, achievements etc together. I figured it would become far more complex and that the character limit for one server would have to be instituted across both to reduce communications.
    Edited by Woolenthreads on August 12, 2014 9:58AM
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  • Azraeel
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    Yes
    Azraeel wrote: »
    I used to and I can see where you might want to, if you want to simply swap servers. However, in their boots, I would then make the character limit actually 8 rather than the current 16 you have with both servers (sorry @Merlin13KAGL but if you install the other server you have 16 characters, they state this on their website, I currently have 11 "I am not an Altoholic").

    I could wish for communication between the servers, mind you, since it's a hassle having things on one server that I want for characters on the other (like a weapon trait).

    I don't understand what is moving a character from server to another has anything to do with the total limit. One of the prerequisites of moving is having at least one space open on the other server. It is just for those that want to switch servers but not start all over again.

    Currently, if you have characters on both servers then you have up to 16 characters (the post above mine claimed an limit of eight). There is currently no communication between the servers, by which I mean, there is no messaging or any other communications apparently possible and you cannot transfer anything between the servers, they are separate. I think that if they did that the Transfers Protocols would have to tie the currently separate banks, achievements etc together. I figured it would become far more complex and that the character limit for one server would have to be instituted across both to reduce communications.

    It isn't as complicated as you may think.

    The game client doesn't connect to both servers at the same time, and that is correct. However, these features are usually done from the website account management, and not from within the game. That website would retrieve all your account characters from both servers and display them, if you have one space at the destination, only then you are able to transfer one of the characters from the source server.

    You will NOT transfer the bank. You will NOT transfer any guild banks. You may only transfer the character with the corresponding inventory and achievements. The achievements are character based, not account wide as far as I saw. Which means every character has his/her own achievements. Once you order one character for transfer you will be asked NOT to play on that character for the next 48 hours, and you will be asked to place any item/gold you like to transfer inside your character's inventory. So you see, the set of rules makes this simple.

    Making it paid will prevent any kind of abuse, and to top that you may put a cooldown on each transferred character.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    However, in their boots, I would then make the character limit actually 8 rather than the current 16 you have with both servers (sorry @Merlin13KAGL but if you install the other server you have 16 characters, they state this on their website, I currently have 11 "I am not an Altoholic").

    @Woolenthreads‌, the 8 character limit I referred to is the one-server-at-a-time setup they have now. Should you wish to start a different character on the current server, you have to choose who to delete. I realize you can have 16 by using the alternate server. (Not to feed your affliction, but you could actually have 24 if you also install the PTS server...(Ahem...))
    magnusnet wrote: »
    One switch per account allowed, after that make people pay. It will avoid abuse.

    @magnusnet, I would see restrictions set in place, yes. This is ultimately built in via the limits on Delete's allowed. Additional cooldown restrictions would not be a bad idea, but I'm not sure paid would be necessary unless it was a very modest amount. Once a month would be sufficient - it's supposed to be a big decision and a single timestamp encoded into the character file would accommodate this.

    The only abuse I can potentially see from this would be individuals trying to occupy server bandwidth be transferring because they are disgruntled with the game. (It's like a low level version of a DNS attack, I suppose.) They currently throttle downloads for 4 Gb patches, I'm certain they could do the same for infinitely smaller character records. Plus, the limits above would cause this to be brief. I don't anticipate a mass exodus to the other server, in either case.

    I'd also disallow transfers at least 24 hours prior to shutdowns to prevent mass migrations for purposes of continued play.

    Beyond that, you can only play one character at a time. I see nothing to be gained by playing on one server vs the other. To my knowledge, the content is the same, separated only by maintenance schedules and patch times.

    There are no US only items. There are no European exclusive rewards (vice being Eurpoean, to my friends across the pond, and the mild possibility that the Wolfhound gets converted to a French Bulldog?).

    Aside from latency differences and the ability to play with a different set of people, there is no distinct advantage from one server to the next?

    (I'd have active PvP campaign reset on transfer - the price you would have to pay for the privilege.)

    The way I'm referring to it, @Woolenthreads, when you transfer a character, you transfer a character. It ceases to be on one server and moves to another. I'm not talking about having mirrored versions of the same character existing in two places at once. Same for the export idea. Total character count (2x8) remains unchanged.
    Azraeel wrote: »
    I don't understand what is moving a character from server to another has anything to do with the total limit. One of the prerequisites of moving is having at least one space open on the other server. It is just for those that want to switch servers but not start all over again.

    Currently, if you have characters on both servers then you have up to 16 characters (the post above mine claimed an limit of eight). There is currently no communication between the servers, by which I mean, there is no messaging or any other communications apparently possible and you cannot transfer anything between the servers, they are separate. I think that if they did that the Transfers Protocols would have to tie the currently separate banks, achievements etc together. I figured it would become far more complex and that the character limit for one server would have to be instituted across both to reduce communications.

    @Woolenthreads, I clarified the 8 character limit above. No continuing communication would be required. In the most basic terms, it would be like downloading a file from work and moving it to your home office.
    Leave the US server, you leave the US bank behind. Consider it like a safety deposit box. You can have one in each place, but you will only be viewing the contents of the one where you are currently located.

    Achievements would be tied to the character file. Account wide achievements would reset (again, the price you pay).

    The only other possible 'exploit' I could see here is that you would technically have twice the bank space. Limit the transfers to once a month and that becomes a benefit with little return. (Again, your character only brings what he/she can carry, plus a certified copy of Awards earned from Rugby matches and prowess with the Lute.)
    Azraeel wrote: »
    I figured it would become far more complex and that the character limit for one server would have to be instituted across both to reduce communications.

    It isn't as complicated as you may think.

    The game client doesn't connect to both servers at the same time, and that is correct. However, these features are usually done from the website account management, and not from within the game. That website would retrieve all your account characters from both servers and display them, if you have one space at the destination, only then you are able to transfer one of the characters from the source server.

    You will NOT transfer the bank. You will NOT transfer any guild banks. You may only transfer the character with the corresponding inventory and achievements. The achievements are character based, not account wide as far as I saw. Which means every character has his/her own achievements. Once you order one character for transfer you will be asked NOT to play on that character for the next 48 hours, and you will be asked to place any item/gold you like to transfer inside your character's inventory. So you see, the set of rules makes this simple.

    Making it paid will prevent any kind of abuse, and to top that you may put a cooldown on each transferred character.

    Ultimately, it would be similar to the process that takes place now when a character rolls back. I would simply happen to another location.

    It's not a feature they need to move to the top of the list, but it would be a nice addition somewhere down the line.

    You could even put an account lifetime limit in place. I suspect most people will start with a server and stick with a server.

    (As an alternate scenario, suppose your job required you to transfer overseas? You would want to take the love, blood, sweat, and tears you poured into your characters with you, wouldn't you?)
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