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How should Zenimax tweak the first 10 veteran ranks?

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Edited by nicholaspingasb16_ESO on August 11, 2014 6:01PM
Sanguine's Beta Tester

How should Zenimax tweak the first 10 veteran ranks? 78 votes

Zenimax should totally remove vr 1-10. (Craglorn becomes vr 1-2)
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Maximis_ESOAdvenchb14_ESOJandoFaulgorLord_HevFilth 6 votes
Zenimax should rework the content completely in VR 1-10 zones, Making the quests totally different from the ones in the non-vr versions of each zone.
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I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
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Zenimax should provide a viable alternative to reaching VR 10, such as grinding or leveling in PvP.
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Zenimax should add new zones for vr 1-10 (similar to craglorn) until the repeated faction zones are no longer there.
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Zenimax should allow people to skip VR 1-10, by offering them a free 10 veteran ranks so they can start Craglorn immediately.
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stefanosbekrwb17_ESO 1 vote
  • WebBull
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    Zenimax should add new zones for vr 1-10 (similar to craglorn) until the repeated faction zones are no longer there.


    Add a new zone to level and just convert V1-12 to level 50-62.

    VR points, VR levels, Champion points, Champion levels, it's all getting overly complicated for no reason.
  • Super_Sonico
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    I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
    What's everyone's problem with VR? I'm enjoying playing through the other alliances (VR7, am DC, have finished AD, and just finished Stonefalls in EP). Aside from ZOS continually changing things with it (lowering my stats is the problem I have most), once I adjust to whatever they changed, I can level just fine solo. I need help on the world bosses, dolmens, and public dungeons, but otherwise I can solo everything. I don't really find it harder than lvls 1-50 solo. So I don't see what the big fuss is and why it needs changing. I wish they would just leave it alone for a while.
  • nicholaspingasb16_ESO
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    Zenimax should rework the content completely in VR 1-10 zones, Making the quests totally different from the ones in the non-vr versions of each zone.
    What's everyone's problem with VR? I'm enjoying playing through the other alliances (VR7, am DC, have finished AD, and just finished Stonefalls in EP). Aside from ZOS continually changing things with it (lowering my stats is the problem I have most), once I adjust to whatever they changed, I can level just fine solo. I need help on the world bosses, dolmens, and public dungeons, but otherwise I can solo everything. I don't really find it harder than lvls 1-50 solo. So I don't see what the big fuss is and why it needs changing. I wish they would just leave it alone for a while.

    Because nobody wants to play through 2 other faction zones that they already played through on their alts.
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  • Melian
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    Zenimax should add new zones for vr 1-10 (similar to craglorn) until the repeated faction zones are no longer there.
    Actually, add new content as an alternative but keep the repeated faction zones too.
    Edited by Melian on August 11, 2014 7:18PM
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    Other. Remove VR levels altogether. Notice i said levels not content. It would still be there for achievements and fun if you were into that.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
    Zen already said they will remove the VR ranks and add the champ ranks. Everyone will be lvl 50.

    They should still leave those zone open for those that dont want to make alts but still want to experience those zones ofc.

    PS: it is actually quite funny that you bring up craglorn , im a solo player , craglorn is 100% useless to me , hell i have 0 skyshards/quests ... of that region.

    Had to go out of my way and get the 2 last VR ranks in cyro , so yeah , there are ways for everyone.
    Edited by Nox_Aeterna on August 11, 2014 7:27PM
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  • UPrime
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    I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
    They already have plans that they're implementing. Unless this changed, they're getting rid of Vet lvls, everybody is going to be lvl 50, with post 50 xp going to increase champion lvls. Those then are used to spend points on other stuff. Like Bliz did in Diablo 3.

    So I think the 1-10 zones will become one of the ways you could gain points. I think the goal would be, you can either do story quests, or group content, or pvp, or dungeons/trials depending on what you feel like.
  • luther_revan
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    Zenimax should rework the content completely in VR 1-10 zones, Making the quests totally different from the ones in the non-vr versions of each zone.
    VR are fine for me. The system itself isn't very different from a classic levelling and I appreciate the gradually increase of the difficulty. Maybe they should have give 100 levels so people wouldn't have noticed any differences and wouldn't have make all this noise about vr.
    The only problem I have with this Vr thing is the immersion/RP killing of working for other factions who are ignoring that the big bad guy has been defeated.
    There are a lot of ideas to change that, for exemple the devs could write 2 versions of each quest (dialogs at least and enemy names for exemple). One for veteran, one for non veteran.
    Another idea would be to distillate the main quest in all faction maps, basically multiply the duration per 3 and when the main quest is done give the player the choice to spawn or not in instances without anchor and all the stuff linked to the main quest (with a checkbox or something).
    In addition to that, they could give to the player the choice of a neutral way (the witcher style), like "I'll not help all those kings in their wars, I have to get my soul back" or after you choose who you want to help the other will not speak to you, so no more semi-main quests faction related for all 3 alliances. You could make some of their quest but at some point you will have to do some choice. Maybe after the 2 or 3 first maps of a faction. So you could do the beginning of each one as before with your vr etc and see who you prefer during the game instead of in the main menu and choose whenever you want. Rerolling to explore new quests/content would then have sense.
    As they have a working instancing system, that could work.
    Those are some thinkings and ideas to remove the artificial wall between vr and non vr from a "immersion" perspective.
    Edited by luther_revan on August 11, 2014 7:40PM
  • SkillzMFG
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    Zenimax should provide a viable alternative to reaching VR 10, such as grinding or leveling in PvP.
    I would love if I could actually level up a bit while I gather materials for crafting(runes,ores,wood etc should all give a little bit of exp when gathered) or while I'm in PVP battles. Right now I have the feeling of 'wasting time' in Cyrodil while doing PVP on my main char (vr 4) when I know that I will get next to nothing exp (maybe even absolute 0 I'm not entirely sure but it feels like the vet rank is moving slowly while PVPing, but not even closely enough to make any actual progress). I also think there should be even more ways to level just to improve game immersion and the feeling of freedom to build my char and play the game how I want, and not fall behind other players with the EXP...
  • Lord_Hev
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    Zenimax should totally remove vr 1-10. (Craglorn becomes vr 1-2)
    ZOS should erase VR ranks from existence. So not even VR 1 - 2 nonsense. Just no VR period.


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  • Jando
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    Zenimax should totally remove vr 1-10. (Craglorn becomes vr 1-2)
    Other. Remove VR levels altogether. Notice i said levels not content. It would still be there for achievements and fun if you were into that.

    I absolutely...totally......AGREE.

    I'm shocked that this is not the overwhelming consensus.
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  • nicholaspingasb16_ESO
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    Zenimax should rework the content completely in VR 1-10 zones, Making the quests totally different from the ones in the non-vr versions of each zone.
    UPrime wrote: »
    They already have plans that they're implementing. Unless this changed, they're getting rid of Vet lvls, everybody is going to be lvl 50, with post 50 xp going to increase champion lvls. Those then are used to spend points on other stuff. Like Bliz did in Diablo 3.

    So I think the 1-10 zones will become one of the ways you could gain points. I think the goal would be, you can either do story quests, or group content, or pvp, or dungeons/trials depending on what you feel like.

    Good. I want to save the other faction zones for my alts, not have to do them each on a single character.
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  • Rodario
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    Zenimax should rework the content completely in VR 1-10 zones, Making the quests totally different from the ones in the non-vr versions of each zone.
    I'm an advocate of the spy/insurgent in enemy territory option. Quests that have you fight your own faction are replaced by secret missions received at those camps.

    I know it's not going to happen, at least not till all my alts have cadwell's zones completed, it's just what I believe should have been done from the get go.
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  • Kego
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    I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
    I like how it is.
    I have no intention of playing another faction. There fore it is nice to play their Quests.
  • Kronosphere
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    make every zone from the other 2 open as soon as u finish main quest (no gold or silver cadwell) and if possible make the monsters in each area level to your character (might be complicated)
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  • TehMagnus
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    Zenimax should add new zones for vr 1-10 (similar to craglorn) until the repeated faction zones are no longer there.

    Option 1: LOL.
    Option 2: Yeah whole different history would be nice, like an actual continuation of the story after defeating Molag. Sadly I doubt this will ever happen because it requires a loooooot of work.
    Option 3: It's a choice;
    Option 4: There are allready alternatives to reaching VR10: Grinding and leveling in PVP :x.
    Option 5: (my choice) because more content = win. I'd like some of those areas to be open world PVP and why not with some portals to other faction's zones like in AIon (with the quests that go along).
    Option 6: In 4 years yeah, skip from 1 to 50.
  • Morvoldo
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    you forgot to add that We should be Allowed From Vet 1 to do dungeons, as it stands we cannot do any dungeons until at least Vet 5-6 (what i was told and below that get kicked for being to low level) Stupid. and offer more experience per dungeon also so if we want to farm we can.

    Main thing Give better quest rewards for vet areas ie NO GREEN ITEMS REWARDS blue and above, this will make the questing more manageable and meaningful.
    all they got to do is higher the item's level at vet 1 i Do NOT want a horrible green item as a reward after leveling 1-50 especially when we cannot do dungeons for better gear drops. (i know u can craft better but not everyone has that crafting).
    also please after defeating Molag Bol GIVE us a choice on which faction to level.
  • Enodoc
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    Zenimax should provide a viable alternative to reaching VR 10, such as grinding or leveling in PvP.
    make every zone from the other 2 open as soon as u finish main quest (no gold or silver cadwell) and if possible make the monsters in each area level to your character (might be complicated)
    You can keep Cadwell's Silver and Gold as a measure of progression, but still change the requirement for getting into the third alliance territory.
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  • Inversus
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    Zenimax should provide a viable alternative to reaching VR 10, such as grinding or leveling in PvP.
    Zenimax should provide a viable alternative to reaching VR 10, such as grinding and leveling in PvP.*
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  • Demira
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    I like vr 1-10 the way it is now.
    I sure as hell, don't want to level in PVP that is a stupid idea...sheesh. Don't FORCE players that don't like to playing PvP to this alternative. Where is the choice of play how you want, make your character the way you want. There would be no choices but do PvP grind...I hate to burst all the PvPer's bubbles, but there ARE community of NON-PvP players.
  • Anastasia
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    Zenimax should add new zones for vr 1-10 (similar to craglorn) until the repeated faction zones are no longer there.
    Demira wrote: »
    I sure as hell, don't want to level in PVP that is a stupid idea...sheesh. Don't FORCE players that don't like to playing PvP to this alternative. Where is the choice of play how you want, make your character the way you want. There would be no choices but do PvP grind...I hate to burst all the PvPer's bubbles, but there ARE community of NON-PvP players.


    Demira - fairly certain the suggestion was made meaning for those interested in PvP. Getting e x p in Cyr to try and progress to V12 is s l o w. That is why you see so many PvP players zooming up through the PvE ranks (*not all, but a good many simply utilize PvE content to level up/progress so they can be V12 and step into competitive play in Cyr.

    Players who are primarily interested in this MMO's PvP endgame need an effective way to get there. Recent changes aside as far as PvPing at lower levels, a lot of players want to go in at V12.

  • Lancillotto
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    what about: none of the above? I think veteran ranks should be removed in a sense that you should level up always at the same speed (just get more levels). Craglorn would be no exception to the rule.
    I like the idea of traveling to other factions territories with the same character, removing that would be a loss of freedom. Skipping to VR 10 is pointless, where is the fun in that? and leveling up only by grinding and doing PvP sounds pretty boring...
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