Stat and Skill Respec Prices

Xadienx · August 2014

This Revert to the pricing of Stat and Skill respec's is Punishing to Newer Players and Low to Mid levels. The Costs of Gold to do both Once Turns many away from Changing up Spec's and Hopping into a dungeon and healer/tanking/dps " The way they want to play ".

This is the only problem i have with this game And i am sure other's can agree with me somewhat. 1200G X2 is a bit of gold for a lvl 15-35.

dharbert · August 2014

Xadienx wrote: »

This Revert to the pricing of Stat and Skill respec's is Punishing to Newer Players and Low to Mid levels. The Costs of Gold to do both Once Turns many away from Changing up Spec's and Hopping into a dungeon and healer/tanking/dps " The way they want to play ".

This is the only problem i have with this game And i am sure other's can agree with me somewhat. 1200G X2 is a bit of gold for a lvl 15-35.

Respecs have always cost 100 gold per point. You should have taken advantage of the low cost while it was available.

At lower levels you don't have enough skills points to justify doing a respec anyway. That is why you have multiple character slots, to try different things out and different combat styles without having to keep respec'ing the same toon over and over.

And 1,200 gold for a respec? Lol, wait until your respec costs 20,000......

GnatB · August 2014

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

dharbert · August 2014

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

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dharbert · August 2014

They should only let those who have at least passed fifth grade English post in this forum.

I've never understood those who capitalize every other word, or random words in a sentence.

It seems they should be working on other things besides worrying about a video game.

And before you jump in and defend them saying "maybe English isn't their primary language". Well, guess what? Too bad. This is the English forum.

We have kids these days that can 360 no-scope you while jumping off a building in COD, but they can't even point out their own state on a map.

LordEcks · August 2014

As someone who lives in a foreign country your tolerance for less than perfect English is kind of saddening.

If they get their meaning across its not that big of a deal is it?

As for the people who do random caps on purpose..well..that's a different story, but either way not really something worth griping about.

dharbert · August 2014

LordEcks wrote: »

As someone who lives in a foreign country your tolerance for less than perfect English is kind of saddening.

If they get their meaning across its not that big of a deal is it?

As for the people who do random caps on purpose..well..that's a different story, but either way not really something worth griping about.

There are some who do not speak or write English very well, but try to get their point across, and that's fine. I'll give you that one.

On the other hand, there are regular posters on here who, just by attempting to read their inane gibberish, cause you to lose 20 I.Q. points.

GnatB · August 2014

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

I mean before you buy the base skill, not before you morph it. As you say, there is currently no in-game way to tell what the morphs do until you have the skill ready to be morphed, which is too late. You should know that information before you spend the first skill point to buy that skill. You shouldn't have to go through every skill yourself (or, of course, go to a website) to see what your actual options are for what skills you can have.

vyal · August 2014

Until all the bugs are fixed with all skills (so, forever) we should be able to undo morphs and redo them without respec'ing the entire character.

I'm fine with paying 100g (yes, I know it's less now) to undo a Morph of a bugged skill.

I'm not fine with paying 20k to undo a Morph of a bugged skill.

OrangeTheCat · August 2014

Hah! My repair bill is often 1000g+.

I paid 20k gold for a respec long before the el-cheapo respec we just recently had. Had I only known I could have saved myself a ton of gold.

catpower · August 2014

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

It is simple to mouse over and see the differences. What isn't necessarily simple for someone new to the game or a class or skill line is choosing the skill or morph that works best for them.

You often find out which way to go after using the skill a while, hence the awesomeness of cheap respec.

I don't see the problem with cheap respecs. What's the big deal?

bosmern_ESO · August 2014

Xadienx wrote: »

This Revert to the pricing of Stat and Skill respec's is Punishing to Newer Players and Low to Mid levels. The Costs of Gold to do both Once Turns many away from Changing up Spec's and Hopping into a dungeon and healer/tanking/dps " The way they want to play ".

This is the only problem i have with this game And i am sure other's can agree with me somewhat. 1200G X2 is a bit of gold for a lvl 15-35.

I was able to buy the horse that costs 17.200G when I was level 15. Don't go on about that "punishes new players". I could easily say that the cost of respec "punishes end game players" because it "costs to much".

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

Hehe, for me atm, and sure its the same for other Vet 12`s, its 400 gold or so, dirt cheap compared to what it used to be like, but having said that, for low level players, its a bit of a git paying that much.

It cost me loads more in the few times I have respecced, enjoy it while it lasts:P

coryevans_3b14_ESO · August 2014

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

This.

The fact that people whine about respec prices, ESPECIALLY what they are now, really bothers me.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR CHARACTER!!!

Not just respec every 10 minutes.

dharbert · August 2014

Cheaper respecs is one thing. I don't have a problem with that. I'd rather not pay 20k for my next respec either.

However, FREE respecs should never be implemented. If respecs were completely free, you might as well do away with skill points entirely, as everyone could instantly become any class or skill line they want at any time with no cost or investment in skill points.

You want to know what a particular skill does? Purchase it and learn like everyone else. Have I made mistakes along the way in choosing some of my skills? Yes I have, as well as most everyone else. But that's the only way you learn.

That's why you have multiple character slots with which to experiment using different races, classes and abilities.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · August 2014

catpower wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

It is simple to mouse over and see the differences. What isn't necessarily simple for someone new to the game or a class or skill line is choosing the skill or morph that works best for them.

You often find out which way to go after using the skill a while, hence the awesomeness of cheap respec.

I don't see the problem with cheap respecs. What's the big deal?

Why not just give away free lvl 50s and v12s...what's the big deal?

Or make everything in the game free? What's the big deal?

Ojustaboo · August 2014

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

catpower wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

It is simple to mouse over and see the differences. What isn't necessarily simple for someone new to the game or a class or skill line is choosing the skill or morph that works best for them.

You often find out which way to go after using the skill a while, hence the awesomeness of cheap respec.

I don't see the problem with cheap respecs. What's the big deal?

Why not just give away free lvl 50s and v12s...what's the big deal?

Or make everything in the game free? What's the big deal?

or go on the PTS server, create v12 character and use the 5 million gold they give you to try out every skill to your hearts content.

catpower · August 2014

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

catpower wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

It is simple to mouse over and see the differences. What isn't necessarily simple for someone new to the game or a class or skill line is choosing the skill or morph that works best for them.

You often find out which way to go after using the skill a while, hence the awesomeness of cheap respec.

I don't see the problem with cheap respecs. What's the big deal?

Why not just give away free lvl 50s and v12s...what's the big deal?

Or make everything in the game free? What's the big deal?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Kego · August 2014

Xadienx wrote: »

This Revert to the pricing of Stat and Skill respec's is Punishing to Newer Players and Low to Mid levels. The Costs of Gold to do both Once Turns many away from Changing up Spec's and Hopping into a dungeon and healer/tanking/dps " The way they want to play ".

Huh?
I always had a DPS and Tank Specc besides two crafting professions and never had issues with Skill Points.

My DPS Specc during Leveling was Dual Wield / SnB until Level 40 and than Bow / SnB. My Tank Specc was SnB/SnB. Anyone in this game can create a DPS and Heal or Tank Specc if he likes to, as well as training 1-2 professions.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · August 2014

wel for some situations you may want the other morph (pve - pvp example) and respec'n all skillpoints is a. costly and b. time consuming (talking about end lvl with more than 200 skillpoints spend) just to change a morph
- so I think there should be an option to just remove 1 morph, I dont mind if its more expensive, say 1k or something

bwilson.homeb16_ESO · August 2014

Respec costs are clearly the result of someone early in development deciding the didn't want people switching skills much. It'll get watered down eventually, but until then it's one of the few gold sinks (along with repairing) so that oversight means respect costs will stay high indefinitely.

I've run out of skill points. I'm a completionist, so was stupidly trying to tidy up all skill lines before I realised my error. Now there are none left for me to explore the guild lines in more depth, bother getting vamp/werewolf, or bother embarking on a PvP career.

Well, not unless I wanna sink 12k every time I change my mind, make a mistake, or choose to go in a completely different direction.

BTW, as a heavy-wearing, greatsword-wielding, 'dps' Templar, suggesting I take my 'way I want to play' character and join some groups for dungeons or trials to raise the cash, isn't an option

khele23eb17_ESO · August 2014

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

This.

The fact that people whine about respec prices, ESPECIALLY what they are now, really bothers me.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR CHARACTER!!!

Not just respec every 10 minutes.

You can put thought into your character once you have some experience with the options you can choose from. Also, ZOS promised super cheap morph respecs already. I hope they deliver on that promise sooner rather than later.

GnatB · August 2014

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Until you can learn, in game, how both morph options will effect a skill before you purchase, respecs should be free.

You do know that when you have a skill that is ready to be morphed, all you have to do is simply mouse over the icon for each morph option and it tells you EXACTLY what it does and EXACTLY how it is different from the base skill.

It can't get much simpler than that.

This.

The fact that people whine about respec prices, ESPECIALLY what they are now, really bothers me.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR CHARACTER!!!

Not just respec every 10 minutes.

Precisely. How can you put some thought into your character when you don't know exactly what you're purchasing until AFTER you've put that first skill point into it? Forcing players to go to websites to find out what the possible morphs of a skill are so they know whether or not it's worth putting that very first skill point into a skill is bad design. Before you've ever put that first point in, it should show the base skill *as well* as the two morph options.

I'm not arguing for cheap respec. (though I *am* arguing for targeted respec, which I guess would make it cheaper) I'm arguing that they need to give players the proper information to make an informed decision.

GFBStarWars · August 2014

At low level having 5k or more for a respec is not that hard if you know the value of items and know how to sell stuff, at higher level you should be able to afford high respec cost, before was 100 for each skill point now i think its half of that?

Just learn that decision have consequences, this isn't COD where when the match is over you can change equipment and perk.

SirJesto · August 2014

Or you can use a character builder online that tells you what all skills and morphs do.....

crislevin · August 2014

It needs to tell you how increasing ranks gonna affect the spell.

The tool tip is not very informative.

bwilson.homeb16_ESO · August 2014

The simple fact is, if you are a cookie-cutter min/max build that's wanted for trials, you'll be dripping money and never need to spend on respecs.

If you want money to spend on respecs, the best way is to make your first respec into the current fashionable power build and then fill spots in trails. Course, then you'll never need to spend money on respecs either.

If you're in a decent guild with friends willing to carry you to a degree, you can vary from the optimal path.

If you aren't, well, get V12 and leave, like the rest of the small guild I started with (and quite a lot of the larger guild from past games which I only found out about after rolling all my alts in a different alliance so can't play with them)