Guild Heraldry for small guilds.

Canstaht · August 2014

milthalas wrote: »

I haven't read all of the comments so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.

The issue with giving perks to guilds of less than 10 members seems to be tied to the guild bank that becomes available at that point. 500 storage spaces is a lot.

What if the membership requirements for guild banks and tabard were decreased to say 5, and that guild didn't start off with the full 500 slots? Maybe something like this:
5 members -> 50 bank slots
6 members -> 100 bank slots
7 members -> 150 bank slots
8 members -> 200 bank slots
9 members -> 250 bank slots
10 members -> 500 bank slots and then cap it at that point

One issue that would arise of course would be if a guild with, for example, 8 members had 200 items in the guild bank, and someone leaves the guild. They'd be 50 items over the limit. I guess at that point the game could "sell" the 50 cheapest items and deposit any gold generated by the sale into the guild bank. This would seriously complicate this approach.

There are other issues with this suggestion, certainly, as to whether this needlessly complicates the matter and of course Zeni's willingness to try something else.

Personally I'm satisfied with the current setup. I'm in a guild of 20 or so members that has it's own tabard. It cost 5k gold to design the tabard and then it can be purchased for 2k.

Does anyone know if the tabard costs are a sliding scale? If not, then another suggestion could be to extend the tabard option to smaller guilds but at an increased cost, perhaps, while at the same time decreasing the cost for larger guilds. A simple piecewise linear function could be encoded to the time of the creation of the tabard depending on the number of members at which point the cost of the tabard for members is locked in as well. I call it piecewise because at some point there will have to be a hard minimum cost in that scenario.

Just some things to consider.

Thanks for posting, I think something along those lines has been mentioned and suggested for guild bank space. Don't think it's the best solution, as with your example if someone leaves the guild certain parts of it are locked/restricted. Seems a better idea to me, to just provide zero free bank space to a guild sub 10 members, and have it cost a fee, to unlock incremental guild bank slots.

Though this topic is focused solely on the tabard itself, which is purely cosmetic. And I don't want to get derailed with the bank debate since it's a whole other issue altogether.

I don't believe the tabard has a sliding scale in price, don't think it should cost any more or less depending on members - either. It should cost the same for everyone in my opinion.

I'm glad the current system is working for you however, and that you're satisfied with it. Just hoping to promote some changes with all this.

Canstaht · August 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

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If you want to amek a 1 man guild and pay for it, More power to you.
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It's why again. NO OTHER MMO DOES THIS.

That's a good point actually. In every other MMO that I know of, you have to pay to create a guild. You can do so for free in ESO, meaning the restrictions have to be implemented elsewhere (eg by number of members).

And it's only 10 people!

The OP and others want the recognition of contributing to the in game community, while refusing to be part of that community. The more I think of it, the more galling it is really. Why should their 'guild' be recognised or respected, when they refuse to recognise or respect the community they play among.

Respect, and Recognition should be given because of your deeds, Not because you can recruit every noob that joins the game by spamming invites.

I recruit in Vet zones, I'll have you know :snootyface:, but at least I give people a chance, unlike sub-10 guilds who refuse to be part of the player community.

A community is made up of all manner of cliques, groups, and associations. I don't recall suggesting or stating that I didn't want to be a part of the community. Being in a larger guild is not a requirement for participating in the community. Nor does having a small guild express a refusal to join and take part either.

Giving people a chance is fine, but when I do group with others it's generally briefly, for a quest/dungeon and that's it. I'm happy to help others and I welcome assistance likewise when I need it. By your logic, everyone should all be in the same guild or they aren't giving others a chance or being a part of the community.

The opinion expressed by me here, on the tabard and my hope to influence some change in the current guild system does not mean that I won't play with others. It's not about elitism or refusal to participate. Shutting people out or any of that.

The dye suggestion was not altogether bad, dying similarly is one way to achieve uniformity. But it would be far better to have similar dye style and tabards to boot. It also dismisses the topic to an extent. I don't mind that you think it's silly for me to push for this. I just wish you could disagree without being so abrasive about it.

As an aside you haven't given me, or others in favor of my suggestion a chance and heard us out calmly or evenly. Out with the browbeating straight away. We all play, we come from different points in life and different aims in game. There is no reason that there can't be additions and improvements to an existing system.

ZOS made ESO for a reason, to suggest they don't want to improve this game and continue to make it better is silly. No matter what issues or faults I have with the game, I wouldn't be bothering if I didn't appreciate it and think they were taking strides to improve upon the game, and the genre itself.

KitLightning · August 2014

ZoS no luv for small guilds? What if those are personal frands and really don't want others in that guild?

Canstaht · August 2014

KitLightning wrote: »

ZoS no luv for small guilds? What if those are personal frands and really don't want others in that guild?

Didn't express an unwillingness to have others in the guild, just an unwillingness to recruit people for the sake of it. I've said before the guild is open to growing some and that it might do so, over time. I think the majority of people are set on the guild front and not looking to join a small guild though. It's not about excluding others. But if anything, small guilds are being excluded from simple basic features.

This isn't about shutting others out and not wanting to be a part of the community.

KitLightning · August 2014

Canstaht wrote: »

KitLightning wrote: »

ZoS no luv for small guilds? What if those are personal frands and really don't want others in that guild?

Didn't express an unwillingness to have others in the guild, just an unwillingness to recruit people for the sake of it. I've said before the guild is open to growing some and that it might do so, over time. I think the majority of people are set on the guild front and not looking to join a small guild though. It's not about excluding others. But if anything, small guilds are being excluded from simple basic features.

This isn't about shutting others out and not wanting to be a part of the community.

Oh my comment wasn't directed at you at all. But directly at ZoS, that ZoS does not give the small guilds the same or at the least similar capabilities as larger guilds. A herald-banner (call it tabard) is something all should have available.

Alphashado · August 2014

If you would have titled this thread: Seeking a few like-minded friendly people to join my guild in order for us to create a beautiful tabard.

You would have a tabard by now, a lot less grief, and probably a few new friends.

Khami · August 2014

How is a 10 person guild large?

Canstaht · August 2014

Alphashado wrote: »

If you would have titled this thread: Seeking a few like-minded friendly people to join my guild in order for us to create a beautiful tabard.

You would have a tabard by now, a lot less grief, and probably a few new friends.

That's not a bad idea and I appreciate the sentiment. I may do just that at some point. It certainly would've been a lot less trouble of that I agree. But just because something is difficult, doesn't mean it shouldn't be pursued either. I've invested the effort thus far and I want to see it through in hopes of promoting some positive change in the game I play. I don't see that as such a terrible endeavor.

Thanks for your input and suggestion.

KD1345 · August 2014

So why is it that we can create the heraldry at 10 members, but can't buy one till we reach 50 members? What's the point in making 1 if we can wear it till 40 more members?

Alphashado · August 2014

KD1345 wrote: »

So why is it that we can create the heraldry at 10 members, but can't buy one till we reach 50 members? What's the point in making 1 if we can wear it till 40 more members?

You can buy one as soon as you create it. The guild store menu will open and the tabard will be available on the main page of the GS menue. You just can't buy and sell anything else on the guild store until you have 50.

KD1345 · August 2014

Alphashado wrote: »

KD1345 wrote: »

So why is it that we can create the heraldry at 10 members, but can't buy one till we reach 50 members? What's the point in making 1 if we can wear it till 40 more members?

You can buy one as soon as you create it. The guild store menu will open and the tabard will be available on the main page of the GS menue. You just can't buy and sell anything else on the guild store until you have 50.

Was being told by a guild member that they could not purchase it at all. I saw that it was possible just have yet to test it myself. I believe that it is just due to the fact that they do not have access to the guild store as the rank they are. But thank you for the answer.

Adamsy · July 2015

guild system shouldn't even be member based. It should be ranked based, where xx amount of exp gets you to the next rank. This way smaller guilds could still get the guild store etc if the work at the ranking up. No guild system should ever be memeber based what happens in the future when players leave the game your gonna be lucky to get right amount memebers to get the stuff you want. Stupid system imo.

TheShadowScout · July 2015

There is a very easy solution to all small guild woes - allow pre-membership-count-threshold unlock of those features through paying crowns.
Then it becomes a question of how much you really want those features for your tiny little family guild... I prolly would pay a reasonable cost (say, 100 crows for every member below the required number?)

bedlom · July 2015

I think a group of friends should be able to create there own little personal guild with all the perks available store etc.

Its only fair

MornaBaine · July 2015

I think ZoS should break down and let us have personal heraldry. It's another gold sink as it isn't free and, as has been pointed out, it harms no one.

Bleakraven · July 2015

I agree smaller guilds should be able to have guild heraldry. I'm fine with the bank requirements, but a guild is a guild and everyone should be able to fly their guild colors.

Murmeltier · July 2015

I like the Idea to have an Option to create my own Tabard, at the Moment the Guild is the only Way to do it. Maybe some other Options over Crown-Store comes in the Future. The Restrictions with a minimum of Players, to create a Tabard, isnt very fine.

I was headin forward to build my own Guild only for a Guild-Tabard, with Friends that support this Idea. But after i have read some Threads about this, i am very unsecure. For an Example, if i need 10 Players for a Guild Tabard, what happens if they leave?

1. Is the Tabard gone too, if the 10 Persons leave the "Guild"?
2. Can i change the Tabard after the 10 Persons leave my "Guild"?

Divinius · July 2015

Adamsy wrote: »

guild system shouldn't even be member based. It should be ranked based, where xx amount of exp gets you to the next rank. This way smaller guilds could still get the guild store etc if the work at the ranking up. No guild system should ever be memeber based what happens in the future when players leave the game your gonna be lucky to get right amount memebers to get the stuff you want. Stupid system imo.