I just wont do VR levels, doing them would be wasting stuff from my alts which i also want to make.

VR questing in other faction areas should be from your original factions point of wiev, doing your factions campaign in enemy territory agains enemy NPC's or even players.

Betraying your faction (Current VR questing) should be option too ofcoyrse.

Yeah I realize its getting reworked, like I said, I like the option to float through other factions areas....this is great...

but the fact its some low pop instance with other EP faction members kinda ruins it I guess...that's not a huge deal.

I also realize im several months late to this party....

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes you're absolutely right.

However, this subject has been:
a) covered in at least 100 other threads
b) acknowledged by ZOS who have announced plans to replace VR levels with Champion system.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure what your thread aims to achieve...

I don't know what you aim to achieve with that post...

Evandus wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes you're absolutely right.

However, this subject has been:
a) covered in at least 100 other threads
b) acknowledged by ZOS who have announced plans to replace VR levels with Champion system.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure what your thread aims to achieve...

Right off of the top of my head, the first thing that comes to mind is the requirements. One should have a viable alternative to being forced to do the other two factions. I am one of many players that has no interest in them aside from skyshards. Being forced to do the other two factions, or grind Craglorn bosses (a strategy ZOS is saying is unacceptable by consistent xp nerfs) does not work.

I guess im more interested in how this will be reworked. I don't see them removing the current system that sticks you in the starter quests for the other factions after saving the world so you can save the world again before sticking you in another faction starter zone to save the world again for the third time.

Seems they want to allow you access to the whole game...which is a fantasic idea...and it could work if you had separate storylines on your way to saving the world again...that way people could roll alts in other factions without being exposed to repeat starter content several times over per character.

That or just put you as a mercenary in the eyes of other faction members not your own, scale stuff for you but not other noobs, and really flesh out another endgame map.

I think in hindsight, they would have done better scrapping this whole race based faction thing, and changing the Cydrodiil wars to some form of Great House struggle. Like you can start anywhere you want, as any race, endure the storyline once per character...then have VR be more like choosing to represent House Redoran in their struggle to take Cyrodiil or something along that line. VR grinding could be crapping on the other houses via instances or whatever.

I think their idea of providing the whole of Tamriel to everyone in a game divided among pvp factions from the start leads to this current VR system.

You don't have to complete the other areas, I can understand why you wouldn't want to
They're buffing (or have already?) the exp gained in cyrodil so you'll be able to level there, or you can go to craglorn for VR levels - they're reworking VR levels at some point in the nearish future

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes you're absolutely right.

However, this subject has been:
a) covered in at least 100 other threads
b) acknowledged by ZOS who have announced plans to replace VR levels with Champion system.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure what your thread aims to achieve...

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I would remind you that ZOS is ADDING in the Champion System which will create additional perks via points you earn in it. VR is not being completely replaced, and ZOS has definitely no where said completing the other two faction areas would be deleted. Heh.

I have heard about champion levels replaicing Veteran levels but what exactly are champion levels?

Of this, i have not seen much info anywhere. in worst case it is just a name change with some minor cosmetic tweaks until something more is revealed.

Cyberdown wrote: »

Inversus wrote: »

You don't have to complete the other areas, I can understand why you wouldn't want to
They're buffing (or have already?) the exp gained in cyrodil so you'll be able to level there, or you can go to craglorn for VR levels - they're reworking VR levels at some point in the nearish future

I think I should have reworded it all to be honest. Its a bad idea in that you are just going to burn up what should be content for alts. I want to do all three factions stories, but not like this I guess...doesn't make sense to kill molag three times over ect.

anyway....I look forward to the VR overhaul. Just seems like the current idea was patched together last minuet...I honestly right now would have been fine with them plopping me in craiglorn after killing molag and having that as VR1-12 then just rolling alts and skysharding through the other faction zones.

You're a little confused. You don't do the main story quest more then once therefore you will not be killing (which btw you never did in the first place if you payed attention to what was happening) more then once.

Cyberdown wrote: »

Evandus wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes you're absolutely right.

However, this subject has been:
a) covered in at least 100 other threads
b) acknowledged by ZOS who have announced plans to replace VR levels with Champion system.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure what your thread aims to achieve...

Right off of the top of my head, the first thing that comes to mind is the requirements. One should have a viable alternative to being forced to do the other two factions. I am one of many players that has no interest in them aside from skyshards. Being forced to do the other two factions, or grind Craglorn bosses (a strategy ZOS is saying is unacceptable by consistent xp nerfs) does not work.

I guess im more interested in how this will be reworked. I don't see them removing the current system that sticks you in the starter quests for the other factions after saving the world so you can save the world again before sticking you in another faction starter zone to save the world again for the third time.

Seems they want to allow you access to the whole game...which is a fantasic idea...and it could work if you had separate storylines on your way to saving the world again...that way people could roll alts in other factions without being exposed to repeat starter content several times over per character.

That or just put you as a mercenary in the eyes of other faction members not your own, scale stuff for you but not other noobs, and really flesh out another endgame map.

I think in hindsight, they would have done better scrapping this whole race based faction thing, and changing the Cydrodiil wars to some form of Great House struggle. Like you can start anywhere you want, as any race, endure the storyline once per character...then have VR be more like choosing to represent House Redoran in their struggle to take Cyrodiil or something along that line. VR grinding could be crapping on the other houses via instances or whatever.

I think their idea of providing the whole of Tamriel to everyone in a game divided among pvp factions from the start leads to this current VR system.

It would have been much better indeed to create an alternative storyline. A lot of folks expressed support for storylines that involved sabotaging other factions for example. At least it would have been interesting.

I suppose my beef with this whole thing is way back, when the game was being advertised - we were encouraged to pick a faction and support it. I was a player who chose a faction, supported it, and then thrown into omgwtfbbq(!) after defeating Molag Bal.

I not at all a fan of being forced to help the other factions. Grinding in Craglorn is being treated like mechanics exploits (minimal risk of disciplinary action but xp nerfed every week). I really liked the idea of being able to visit the other factions for achievements/skyshards/items/whatever. But tying that to the leveling process to the point of making it required really pisses me off. It's a grind and a half that's completely unnecessary. I thought it should be bonus, not gated content required to level.

I have 2 VR2's and one alt about to hit VR1. I've not advanced these characters due to getting annoyed and just logging into my crafter, or just playing another game. It's a dealbreaker for me.

Tapio75 wrote: »

I have heard about champion levels replaicing Veteran levels but what exactly are champion levels?

Of this, i have not seen much info anywhere. in worst case it is just a name change with some minor cosmetic tweaks until something more is revealed.

Ahh right forgot about that, it was suppose to be a celestial tree like in skyrim I think.

Anastasia wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes you're absolutely right.

However, this subject has been:
a) covered in at least 100 other threads
b) acknowledged by ZOS who have announced plans to replace VR levels with Champion system.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure what your thread aims to achieve...

---

I would remind you that ZOS is ADDING in the Champion System which will create additional perks via points you earn in it. VR is not being completely replaced, and ZOS has definitely no where said completing the other two faction areas would be deleted. Heh.

At the moment we know very little, pretty much only that it's getting reworked. I never said that this means you won't visit other faction zones. It might mean that when you're there you feel like the Saviour of Nirn as opposed to feeling like a lvl 1 again, which is what the OP mentions. We just don't know much yet apart from the fact it's changing.

know what you mean, my lvl4 vet DC Breton templar. is doing the exact same quests as my lvl40 Altmer AD sourcer... Its ridiculous and BORING. So I built a new alt. A (now) lvl 22 EP Imperial dk only to find out that if I keep leveling the dk I will have 3 doing the same quests.... And if I cont. to level my sourcer, I will be put into the EP zone , which means I will be double questing there So Now my lvl4 vet is pvp , which by the way (since the changes) is AWESOME !!! But it would be nice if I could choose to put either the dk or the sourcer (whichever lvls 1st) into the DC area ... this is crazy

Cyberdown wrote: »

Yeah so im sure im late to the party having arrived with steam. For whatever reason it was never made clear that to get those VR levels I have to beat the game three times over, so I can go to craiglorn to get the remaining VR levels?

You do not have to "beat the game" 3 times over. The Main Story for whatever faction your character has to belong to must be completed before you get access to the other Factions zones, yes. But you do not have to do that same quest for each one.

Ok great idea, allow me to access the other areas of the game, the other factions, however...its a VR Pact instance....so its not crowded and alive like the actual areas...

Why not just allow me to be seen by others as "suspicious traveler" like what you do for following NPC's how others see them as generic mercs. Then allow those areas for achievement hunters, skyshard hunters, people who want the story again...

1. you wouldn't be able to do any of the quests in those zones. Since you would still be seen as a member of your primary faction.

2. You would not get XP for killing anything, since everything in the zone would be too far below your level.

3. You would not have access to ANY city, since everyone would be hostile to you since you are part of the enemy factions. No Bank, no Crafting, Nothing.

Ill be honest. Last night I downed molag... The result of the conclusion to what was a fantastic 1-50 trip, with a great story (imo) is that im now standing in daggerfall like my blacksmithing orc alt who im leveling up....

Not only that, but daggerfall is not packed and alive like the actual daggerfall zones are as seen on my alt whos now doing the same content as my VR1 main...

Same content, different level.

I dunno...I REALLY hope they work out the VR levels and fast. I want to do the daggerfall and elf/cat areas...but not on my Dunmer sorc....I don't want to beat the game three times over PER character...that will burn me out real fast..

As others have said, the VR/Champion system is getting an overhaul.

During Apha and Beta stages it was expressed to Zenimax that there was nothing do to after hitting Level 50 AND that some people felt that there were far too few quests, along with not having access to those dungeons, skyshards, lorebooks, etc.

In order to try to address the issues raised, Zenimax opened up cross faction zones for players to access.

This was done in the current implementation that exists. Once you complete the Main Story for your faction, you _can_ visit the other zones and do the quests as if you were a member of their faction.

Think of it as an Alternate Universe where instead of being saved by the Daggerall, you were instead saved by the Ebonheart Pact (or whatever vice versa combination).

You can now see and experience the same timeline from another factions perspective.

This opened up those other factions zones to people who have completed the Main Story, allows them to experience the TESO world from another perspective, and gives you access to all of their lands for the other stuff (lorebooks, skyshards, etc.).

In order to do that, you cannot be "you", for the reasons 3 I stated above.

If you have 1 character, the ability to see the other lands from the other perspective is really nice. It expands your view and understanding of the 3 different factions and the war they are raging against each other.

If you have characters in all 3 factions, then it become repetitious and to many, a grind.

Zenimax has accepted, and understands, these concerns from the players, and as they have stated, they are working to address the issues through an overhaul of the VR content that will be coming down the pipe in the future.