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NB dps Trials - the shame of using a staff
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First few runs in Trials for me.
After a few runs and after reading many NB guides - I had to drop bow / dw and go for pure spell / resto staff output, just to get that high dps.
Sad really.
After a few runs and after reading many NB guides - I had to drop bow / dw and go for pure spell / resto staff output, just to get that high dps.
Sad really.
At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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hammer_fella✭✭✭I refuse.Aldmeri Dominion (NA)
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ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭It is sad. Trials were poorly designed with no thought for diversity.
Likewise, though, I refuse. I just won't ever participate in Trials until they get someone with a clue to (re)design the dungeon mechanics.8 -
Auralia✭✭✭I wont use a staff or more than 2 pieces of light armour as a NB. If it means I can't do trials, so be it. Iam a night blade not a mage.11
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HaelmSoul ShrivenSame here, what's the point of play any role you want, if everyone ends up using a staff
I'll use a bow and enjoy myself, even if its at a disadvantage, well at least til I get sick of it and give up the game 
Come on ZoS, clearly there are some balance issues that need to be addressed before you lose more players?6 -
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✭Nb are meant to be rubbish and we will never be fixed, didnt you hear that already?..8 -
Rodario✭✭✭✭✭hammer_fella wrote: »I refuse.
...to be something that I'm not
@hammer_fella I hope I'm interpreting your name correctly.
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Cute. Especially since NightBlades have been mages since TES Arena.I wont use a staff or more than 2 pieces of light armour as a NB. If it means I can't do trials, so be it. Iam a night blade not a mage.
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So your trying to tell him he can't play it as DW/Bow? Now that is cute!!
They have an awful long way to go, to get it to truly be play as you want, but that should be their highest priority.
Also there are some very broad arch types that fit each class, those should be fully possible. I don't even care if you agree with the arch types, they are what a lot of people expect from the classes.
Dragon knight, is expected to be a beast of a tank or melee Dps 2 handed (fighter) Heavy armour
Sorcerer, is expected to be a ranged magic damage dealer using a staff (Mage) Light armour
Nightblade is expected to be melee Dps, dual wield/bow (Thief) medium armour
Templar is expected to be heavy armour healer, with one hander and shield (Cleric) heavy armour
Yes they are very stereo typed classes, but that's what stereo types are. Currently the Mage is viable. The other 3 RPG staple archetypes, need a lot of work.
It does not matter if you think a class should be a different way, those are the archetypes a lot of old RPG fans expect to be able to play successfully, at all levels, not just while levelling.
Edited by Guppet on August 10, 2014 8:01AM14 -
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Yeah don't you see it is written there in invisible ink? "Do not use the shity cliche DW/BOW NB build which doesn't even fit the TES NB lore." /facepalm
So your trying to tell him he can't play it as DW/Bow? Now that is cute!!
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭Well be happy that you can join.
If i ask for trial groups and say im Templar DPS most group leader just ignore me or tell me sry Templars are *** DPS and they are looking for other classes. I am trying to get that Achievement for AA since a week and got in one group for AA although i seeked for several hours while trading in craglorn. Noone wants Templar DPS there -.- no matter if staff or notEdited by Springt-Über-Zwerge on August 10, 2014 8:09AMPC,EU, EP
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Yeah don't you see it is written there in invisible ink? "Do not use the shity cliche DW/BOW NB build which doesn't even fit the TES NB lore." /facepalm
So your trying to tell him he can't play it as DW/Bow? Now that is cute!!
What class would you say the Breton is in intro video? I'm guessing I could make a poll and 80% ( at least) would say NB.
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you're interpreting it correctly...to be something that I'm not
@hammer_fella I hope I'm interpreting your name correctly.
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shiva7663✭✭✭A nomenclature issue. In previous TES games, "Nightblade" had a very specific meaning. In ESO, it's a catch-all for all of the stealth-based classes that previous games gave their own class categories.0 -
Tigeracer✭✭✭✭I actually thought nightblades were supposed to be like the nightingales from Skyrim. To be fair, I haven't played the other ES games, so if a nightblade is actually supposed to be a mage then so be it my mistake.1 -
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People need to understand that ESO NBs are not NBs from previous games. If that were true other 3 classes would be direct counterparts to classes from previous ES games too. This is not the case however. There were no Templars and Dragon Knights in previous games and ESO Sorcerors arent Morrowind or Oblivion Sorcerers. The 4 classes in ESO are broader categories, each including a couple of archetypes. Depending on your build the NB class should provide a variety of playstyles with the common theme of darkness, stealth and mobility (...and if you go by NB class description in ESO, blades). A sorc should provide playstyles with the common theme of arcane knowledge. The ESO NB contains the archetypes of rogue, agent, assassin, nightblade, etc. from previous games. The Sorc contains the archetypes of mage, battlemage, spellsword, etc.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.3 -
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✭✭✭I am a VR12 sorceress at heart (in every MMO I tend to play sorc) but I sympathise with NBs.
Tell me in which other MMO you'd EVER see this staff "parade":
Having this bias towards one weapon is uncalled for and greatly ruins immersion and also deprives my class of its "signature weapon flavour".
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GnatB✭✭✭✭I wont use a staff or more than 2 pieces of light armour as a NB. If it means I can't do trials, so be it. Iam a night blade not a mage.
Who says a night blade isn't a mage? Don't get trapped into thinking ESO classes are actual classes. One of my "Nightblades" happens to be a Dark Priest. One of my sorcs, on the other hand, is a bow wielding Ranger.
That said, yeah. Only my Summoner is going to ever be touching a destro staff. Because Warriors, Paladins, Rangers, Rogues, and Dark Priests don't cast fireballs out of sticks.Achievements Suck6 -
Armann✭✭✭Class is just the starting point, not the end destination, this is what they promised and delivered. Future content is going to drive that point home even more.EU megaserver | XboxNord Nightblade | Ebonheart PactImperial Dragonknight | Ebonheart PactDunmer Sorcerer | Ebonheart PactDunmer Warden | Ebonheart PactOrc Necromancer | Daggerfall CovenantAltmer Templar | Aldmeri Dominion2 -
MongooseOne✭✭✭Whether a NB is a mage or not is really irrelevant. The point is if ANY class doesn't run trials as a staff user then their dps will be poor enough to actually be a hindrance.
That tells me not only do other weapon sets need work but in my opinion how Trials work do also as well.
Game is still young though and I am still enjoying myself and I have faith it will be worked out eventually.4 -
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✭Class is just the starting point, not the end destination, this is what they promised and delivered. Future content is going to drive that point home even more.
But they did not deliver it. If they, did you would see lots of weapon verity in trials.
That's kind of the whole point of the thread.
People want them to deliver on their promise.
The pic above, of a queue of staff users is the reality in this game right now.
The devs know it and it must annoy them just how skewed the plsyerbase is towards staffs and light armour. I know I would be mighty annoyed if people only use one of the options I had spent ages designing.
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Selodaoc✭✭✭Bad boss mechanics are also an issue. Most of them are quite melee unfriendly, so its muc heasier to play staff in most situations.
You have more uptime = more dps.
Its one of the downsides with action combat mmos, where you need to dodge and avoid stuff alot. Its easier to avoid it at range.
How many melee NBs havent instadied against storm atronachs, only to avoid it easily from range?0 -
Armann✭✭✭Class is just the starting point, not the end destination, this is what they promised and delivered. Future content is going to drive that point home even more.
But they did not deliver it. If they, did you would see lots of weapon verity in trials.
That's kind of the whole point of the thread.
People want them to deliver on their promise.
The pic above, of a queue of staff users is the reality in this game right now.
The devs know it and it must annoy them just how skewed the plsyerbase is towards staffs and light armour. I know I would be mighty annoyed if people only use one of the options I had spent ages designing.
I suspect they are as frustrated as we are.
They delivered in that you can make a warrior, thief or mage out of any class. They didn't promise this and that armor or weapon would be the best. I think the current situation is bad too don't get me wrong.EU megaserver | XboxNord Nightblade | Ebonheart PactImperial Dragonknight | Ebonheart PactDunmer Sorcerer | Ebonheart PactDunmer Warden | Ebonheart PactOrc Necromancer | Daggerfall CovenantAltmer Templar | Aldmeri Dominion3 -
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✭Sad that you gave up trying to use the weapon you like and caved into using what works the best? That was your choice. If you're that sad about it, don't do it. You choose your difficulty level, and if you rather the game be easy, it was your choice.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 10, 2014 11:57AM1 -
Armann✭✭✭Sad that you gave up trying to use the weapon you like and caved into using what works the best? That was your choice. If you're that sad about it, don't do it. You choose your difficulty level, and if you rather the game be easy, it was your choice.
He is just being a responsible person by bringing his best game and making sure he is an asset to the team. Playing with a small group of friends? Sure, anything goes as far as I'm concerned.EU megaserver | XboxNord Nightblade | Ebonheart PactImperial Dragonknight | Ebonheart PactDunmer Sorcerer | Ebonheart PactDunmer Warden | Ebonheart PactOrc Necromancer | Daggerfall CovenantAltmer Templar | Aldmeri Dominion3 -
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✭Sad that you gave up trying to use the weapon you like and caved into using what works the best? That was your choice. If you're that sad about it, don't do it. You choose your difficulty level, and if you rather the game be easy, it was your choice.
He is just being a responsible person by bringing his best game and making sure he is an asset to the team. Playing with a small group of friends? Sure, anything goes as far as I'm concerned.
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✭✭✭✭✭Out of all the classes, the Nightblade is actually the best in terms of DPS on Stamina in Trials, and they're also the best DPS caster as well if they choose to bring it.
Either way, Whining about how your nightblade can't be this awesome stealther in trials is silly, Cause no one can currently, It is not a nightblade thing. That is simply a Stamina issue right now.
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