OK, give this one 15 minutes to upload. Here I am doing my best to get killed, with sword and shield, on-level mobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DleC9LS6cHo&feature=youtu.be

3 mobs in 24 seconds is slow? In this game it is, especially compared with impulse spam sorcerer types. I'm not convinced the Templar is a true DPS class, i'm more of a tank/healer. In Lord of the Rings Online i'd be the squishiest of glass cannons by comparison. My tank took 1 minute and 40 seconds to kill a group of mobs (though she can take on 8 at once without trying), my bezerker style dps-er could do 3/4 in 40 seconds but finish with 1 hit point to spare.

Mind you , in other games, fast kill rate usually = high risk, in this, fast kill rate is also usually the safest way of doing things, so know what you mean about efficiency.

Changing my build?

The only non-negotiables i'd say are Rune Focus and Puncturing Strikes, I feel that my playstyle gets repetitive at times but that's what happens when one skill far outshines the others.

The most replaceable is probably Repentance, it's very good in group dungeons but solo, by the time you've taken down the first mob of the three you don't need it's small heal any more.

You could perhaps make a case for throwing out Honour The Dead too. Good versus bosses, against packs of normals, you are either facing too few opponents to need it, or so many that the Puncturing strikes AoE returns more health.

Question is, what would you put in place? I'm not the best one to ask, before VR2 I hadn't even opened either of the Templar DPS skill lines.

From what I've seen, Spear Shards (AOE knockdown) could be an interesting choice. Would greatly reduce the amount of damage you take if your opponents are all lying on the floor.

Eliisra -- Thanks so much for your input! How do you allocate your M/H/S attributes to pull this off? I've heard some people say go all Magicka and some say go all HP and gear for MP.

Jester-- In retrospect, 24s for a group of mobs is not "slow" compared to a number of MMOs. However, if you re-watch the video I linked, you'll see that person take down a group of about 6 mobs in 8s from the first mob pulled. Through my experience (admittedly somewhat limited) with ESO, I've realized that 10-15s seems to be average for a group of 3-5 mobs. So while I agree that 24s is not 'slow' by any means, it has a slow feel to it. For me, feeling slow = feeling boring. Again, no offense...playstyle is purely a preference.

sword and shield + 7/7 heavy armor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxFqCidqxw&list=UUPG7lzVgmcQ18AknTXYdk-A

Roewan wrote: »

Eliisra -- Thanks so much for your input! How do you allocate your M/H/S attributes to pull this off? I've heard some people say go all Magicka and some say go all HP and gear for MP.

I allocate most my points into magicka. But there aren't any set rules. You have to consider racial bonuses and overcharged stats when you allocate points. Some races get more magicka, some get more stamina and so on. Also whether you're going to build around food buffs and what quality glyphs you can afford. Attribute points are more like putting a puzzle together.

Make sure you reach soft cap on magicka, than some. Use food, spare attribute points, jewellery and glyphs to get a decent mix between stamina and health. Or that's what I do. Even if you aren't a stamina build (what ever that really means) you need stamina. Being able to consistently block and dodge does more for survivability than a few extra points in health.

But this is from a solo- or PvP perspective, I should add. If playing dps, heal or tank in trials you have to consider stats and build differently. You cant run with a strong and "balanced" solo monster.

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

I have solo'd just about everything on my temp. This was even before the buff.

7 piece light armor with a heavy emphasis on magicka regen (5 piece warlock and seducer work amazingly well together,) weapon doesn't really matter.

Loadout:

Puncturing Strikes
Reflective Light
Luminous Shards
Breath of Life
Channeled Focus

Use Reflective Light to pull as much as possible. Drop Channeled Focus. Spam Puncturing strikes over and over as it kills them and heals the crap out of you. Cast Breath of Life when you are at 33% health or lower.

You should not have issues with anything. You can honestly even do without Channeled Focus and Reflective Light to level up other skills if you want.

I've solo'd Veteran Dark Anchors like this (although it was a pain in the butt.)

There's been two world bosses I had issues with that I couldn't solo using this method.

Buy some magicka pots if you need to, but for the most part, this hasn't failed me. So many other templars ask me how I maintain near infinite Puncturing Strikes spam, and I tell them that it's simply by stacking magicka and the awesomeness that is the 5 piece warlock set bonus.

Unfortunately, however, that's about it for Templar viability aside from healing:

Tanking isn't really needed in ESO and due to the fact that you can't really stack divines and use the Thief Mundus (you need magicka and Magicka recovery, both of which favor infused) there's no way to really break that 700 sustained DPS threshold single target on a Temp.

Agreed until u put its about it for Templar viability. That's when I realized u have no clue. I soloed v5 doleman's with 100% different load out so don't ignorantly knock other builds because the one u are using is working for you. Especially where someone is asking advice for the class.

@Dylan -- I'd love to see what type of loadout you're speaking of. Can you link a build?

In my current solo build I utilize both bars actively, I do not spam same spell over and over again but have fun and no troubles for ages (finished Rift VR6 on pre-nerf time with this), no matter if it's boss or group of mobs. I have one weapon skill from each staff, and the one from destro is not the typical aoe but a single target spell. I feel if you're not using many weapon skills, then the weapons are more of a flavor/utility, and can easily be swapped around. I did play for a while with 1h and shield for the block cost reduction, but did not feel it contributed that much to my play style, since we have a stronger charge ability in class skills and since I have no use for a taunt. 1h&s does not offer offense, only defense and utility, resto staff offers both due to passive Cycle of life and the big magicka return allowing more use of spells, destro staff is obviously damage and utility.

My build does use many high level spells + passives and all templar trees, but some of the basic ideas within it might help already on low level. I'll suggest some low level substitutes too. Some of my morph choices are based on group support preference, as I play a healer too, but for that role I change my bars quite massively.

Principles for stats: Blue food is great for stat boosting, worth multiple gear pieces (magicka+health have been my favourite)! Make sure magicka and mag.reg. are on soft cap when food buffed, then dumb rest on health and/or lastly little on stamina. Light armor for spell cost reduction. Jewellery as spell power or magicka cost reduction.

Resto (Due to Cycle of life -passive this has main dps spells):
Solar Barrage (DawnsWrath -> extra ulti, buffs Reflective light and Emp.Sweep)
Reflective Light (DawnsWrath -> extra ulti, alternate HA and Solar to let dot run)
Rapid regen (cheap healing, could be something else too)
Blinding flashes (safety for solar barrage use)(substitute with Combat prayer)
Breath of light (big heal)
Empowering Sweep (cheap ulti to use often, dps and survivability)

Destro (I like both staffs as beam style so for me it's lightning one):
Explosive charge (gap closer for Solar and Sweep use, interrupt; open fights from range and charge to the archer/caster when melee catches you)
Crushing Shock (single target dps, ranged interrupt, synergy with altmer)
Channeled focus (protection and magicka return)(substitute with Restoring aura, fighter's guild stuff, immovable...)
Luminous shards (long cc or just (ranged) aoe dmg depending how you use it, good for group support; trade for Biding javelin when needed)
Scalding rune (opener, ranged damage, great dot and burning, buffs Reflective Light or Shards with Might of the guild)(substitute with wall of elements)
Solar Prison (big ulti to use if points happen to accumulate high)

If I'd use a stamina weapon a form of Restoring aura would be a natural staple choice for the skillbars. Sun shield will probably find its way to the bars once it soon gets rid of the magicka regen debuff. No Puncturing strikes, mainly because I dislike the spam, and also because it won't synergize with Solar barrage or Might of the guild; but it is a strong skill to use with other combinations. Also, no Impulse here, because Solar Barrage offers more interesting mechanics through templar passives, makes Reflective light stronger and allows me to not waste dot dmg as opposed to Elemental Ring. I also do have other sources of burning and snare, so the fire/ice versions have no great incentive for me.

Well, that's one way to set up a resto/destro templar, that is a bit different from what you see told as the "obvious" way. As I said, it's a fun and active play style, and a very capable setup on varying situations. I hope You too figure a way that best suits You!

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Agreed until u put its about it for Templar viability. That's when I realized u have no clue. I soloed v5 doleman's with 100% different load out so don't ignorantly knock other builds because the one u are using is working for you. Especially where someone is asking advice for the class.

I don't really understand what you are saying here.

Are you saying that Templar's are viable Trials DPS? Because they aren't. You don't really need a tank in this game, so aside from healing, there's only one viable role for Templars in end-game competitive trials.

He put his load out and said that's it for Templar viability. I disagreed. Perhaps reading the quote I was commenting on would have helped you have a clue about what was going on. This game is not all about trials. Its not the only endgame. PvP. Templars have boss set ups for pve different than he stated don't forget pve actually includes the three alliance zones and dungeons. Also templars have very competitive PvP builds. So I just disregard this garbage obsession with the highest DPs being the only thing that matters.

I understand your point. But that doesn't change the fact that all 4 classes should be viable for every aspect of the game.

Bows are good in PVP, too. But how many bow-based builds are topping trial timers?

If things like Trials are going to be end game and the game isn't designed around being conducive to having alts, then it's ridiculous that bathrobe/stick/sorc/DK/NB is all that's viable to have a shot at the top 1% of content when said content is an e-peen stick.

My perspective is that if that is going to continue being the case, then Templars should require at least 3 people to kill in all PVP.