Nooky, me and Majestic aren't usually in Kage's groups. But we are in the guild and we were there. They had a full raid of people and we had a full raid of people. We can't control all of the pugs, but there was definitely not 2 full raids of pugs there to make it 3 to 1.

Edit: By setting something up, we mean 5v5 or so without guards or keeps, a.k.a. fair/even.

Well why cant there be at least 30 blue and/or at least 30 yellow? where does the problem really lay? EP having people on it, or AD and DC not having people on it?

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

I dc'd before I could ninja oil enough people. Much sad.

However, there was definitely AT LEAST 30 red in that keep. And I do mean, just inside the keep, idk about anyone on the walls /etc.
I don't think our raid was even full.

You guys did a nice job of *** up our camps, so props on that. Otherwise, that would have lasted a hell of a lot longer.

That being said though, if you want activity on the map, you might want to consider not zerging down everything that moves, js.
Enjoy your PVE and buffs I guess.

P.S. your emp is not very good, might wanna respec some stuff.

Who do you think our emp is out of curiosity?

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Well why cant there be at least 30 blue and/or at least 30 yellow? where does the problem really lay? EP having people on it, or AD and DC not having people on it?

because any time ad/dc come over and try to do anything, EP zergballs the *** out of them and drives them off the map.

We don't zerg ball( as in mass amounts of people stacking together to abuse the AoE cap spamming impulse, immovable, healing springs etc.. because thats what zerg balling is) we bring one raid to defend and some random pugs show up. We had about a group of 24 and a few pugs so it might of been just a little less then 30 that were there. Really not a lot and if you go onto a single faction controlled server you should expect to be out numbered at least a little. Also were not just going to give away keeps. This is PvP you need to fight for it. You know we use to go onto bloodthorn and take keeps even though it was DC dominated and we never use to cry on the forums that there was so many DC on it zerging us with twice our numbers. No, it was a DC dominated server so of course that would happen. We would take a few keeps and get pushed out of their server. But you know what, it was a lot of fun and got some really good AP for it. BoS will stay EP dominated until AD and DC vets decide to get competitive rather then messing around on thornblade ganking low levels and impulse spamming them for AP farming.
I really hope a lot more DC and AD come onto the server and actually take keeps from us. Not by us letting them take keeps but actually PvPing and fighting us for them. I want to see BoS more around the two bar mark for each faction.

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Well why cant there be at least 30 blue and/or at least 30 yellow? where does the problem really lay? EP having people on it, or AD and DC not having people on it?

I will tell you exactly why there cant be.

1. Log in to game.
2. Lets check out Bow of Shadows
3. LOL WHOLE MAP IS RED
4. LOLNO
5. Go elsewhere


There is your reason. You guys seriously hamstringed the campaign when you painted it red within the first four hours. Hell the ONLY reason I am still even there is because thats where Aldmeri Vice chose as a guild to go. Chances are we are leaving at the end of this cycle. There is no PvP here, just killing a few baddies with oil and then getting wiped by 12-20 guys because the baddies cried. I am not taking your whole faction on with six people, sorry, not gonna happen.

its truly regrettable as I thought this campaign would be the new Dawnbreaker. Turns out I was wrong, because a few upstart red guilds decided they wanted a head start on everyone else.

Anomaly 2 wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

I dc'd before I could ninja oil enough people. Much sad.

However, there was definitely AT LEAST 30 red in that keep. And I do mean, just inside the keep, idk about anyone on the walls /etc.
I don't think our raid was even full.

You guys did a nice job of *** up our camps, so props on that. Otherwise, that would have lasted a hell of a lot longer.

That being said though, if you want activity on the map, you might want to consider not zerging down everything that moves, js.
Enjoy your PVE and buffs I guess.

P.S. your emp is not very good, might wanna respec some stuff.

Who do you think our emp is out of curiosity?

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Well why cant there be at least 30 blue and/or at least 30 yellow? where does the problem really lay? EP having people on it, or AD and DC not having people on it?

because any time ad/dc come over and try to do anything, EP zergballs the *** out of them and drives them off the map.

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Fine, I'll bite.

We managed to ninja alessia from under you with less than a full raid, some of whom aren't even our regulars.

You then showed up with a few to siege, we farmed them, they got mad, then got a LOT more people and swisscheesed the *** keep. Nice job.

Does that make me want to keep playing on this map? no. Maybe if you were actually trying to do something other than fuckfunnel your entire faction into one place where there is opposition, I might have.

As to who your emp is, I don't recall the name because they weren't impressive enough to remember (but it starts with X). It was a sorc not using streak and using devouring swarm, though so draw your own conclusions.

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Its not the end of the game on bos. The board is about to reset and there wont be any emperor or emp alliance bonus after that. You should use that to reinforce your own alliance instead of ducking out.

Mybe some of the map painters om hadreaus can guest over and help you with it too. We ep dont care, we want some pvp too.

Well... This is false. Going along with what they've been doing, The Emperor will stay the same, the map will remain the same, and the scrolls will remain in the same locations they are in when it ends. They would need to dethrone and take things back for it to change, or has this been changed since the resets in other campaigns?

Speaking as a former Bloodthorn resident and someone who is in the EP alliance --

Take your foot off their necks, guys. Let blue/yellow take their home keep triangle back and THEN defend the inner ring. People will log in and fight when they see a handful of keeps their color, they WON'T stay online when there's nothing but monotone on the map.

Trust me, I speak from experience here.

You have to, literally, abandon those keeps. You've got a big enough lead this cycle there's no chance of a come back, so why not let there be a chance of some good fights?

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Speaking as a former Bloodthorn resident and someone who is in the EP alliance --

Take your foot off their necks, guys. Let blue/yellow take their home keep triangle back and THEN defend the inner ring. People will log in and fight when they see a handful of keeps their color, they WON'T stay online when there's nothing but monotone on the map.

Trust me, I speak from experience here.

You have to, literally, abandon those keeps. You've got a big enough lead this cycle there's no chance of a come back, so why not let there be a chance of some good fights?

I'm trying to get AD to do this on Haderus (I literally threatened my guild to stop showing up there, so I think 3-4 keeps were taken at one point by either DC or EP, judging by my buffs) but the damn PVErs and zerglings keep repainting the map back to yellow by next evening.
I haven't set foot there in days...

It's almost like people want these maps to be empty for their buffs. The right way to fix it is to fix buffs to only match current campaign.

Luckily, @ZOS_BrianWheeler has already said they're going to make that change. You get the buffs of the Cyrodiil campaign you're in, and only those. It gives incentive to actually help your guest campaign out on the map instead of just farm.

On Bloodthorn we would get unpleasant /tells basically informing us that we weren't wanted, they didn't want us to push and fight, and that it was 'their' campaign even though we were homed there. They fought for every inch. We couldn't take Kingscrest or Farragut to close an empty gate without a fight. Arrius was always stacked with defenses.

Other blues were more reasonable, but never seemed to understand why no one would show up. 'This is our home, we stay, we just want good fights' -- and then I'd ask them why they were back capping our home keeps when we held no scrolls and they would just give us mealymouthed empty responses such as:

"For the points..." -- uh, sure. You're 300K ahead. You need 10 more? There's a reason it's bad sportsmanship to run up the score in a football game.

"For the fight!" -- No... the 20 online EP are turtled in Arrius to keep their gates closed to protect their dignity. You're backcapping Farragut because...?

"We're protecting our home!" -- Last I checked, you have your home keeps, emperor, and all 6 scrolls. Arrius/Farra/KC (and Fare/BB/BM) aren't your home, they're your conquered territory. Try again.

My favorite was one zergherder by the name of Imperator Clydus (pompous, much?) -- He would BEG us to dethrone Naw Sunrest, sending us /tells to go take inner ring keeps, while in the middle of sieging Farragut or KC when our scroll temples were empty. He hated Naw, apparently. I was just... floored... by the dumbness.

When we were finally put into our spawns and had 30+ blue (including Clydus) standing outside camping us, we'd be asked once more via /tell why we hadn't gone after Naw's crown.

Gee. Lemme think.

Anyways.

That's why I despise monotone campaigns. They speak poorly to the faction "ruling" them and usually involve poor play and bad sportsmanship. It's early still (and Bow's a short cycle), so it's time to step back, let the other factions reclaim their dignity and take the win for the cycle.

Phoenix88 wrote: »

Agrippa, the maps don't reset, only the score does. I think you misunderstood what they meant by points. I'm pretty sure they meant AP points and not Alliance Score points. By protecting their "home", they don't mean their home keeps. They mean their home server where they get all of their buffs. You honestly can't fault a faction for defending keeps that they own and not just handing them over to other factions. That goes against the entire purpose of the campaign. What you are asking for is glorified Emperor swapping where the only keeps touched are the inner ring keeps that control Emperor.

They need to change how the buffs work in order to get actual competition. On the same note, they need to remove zerg balling and aoe spam in the campaigns. When you instantly die if you're not in one yourself and never die/crash the server if both sides are. This makes Thornblade no fun at all to play in.

Once a campaign is dyed one color, you need a huge force to change anything. Most of the people that home to these servers don't actually play there. They will, however, show up to defend when they start losing their buffs. AP farming on Bloodthorn last campaign showed that taking a scroll from DC with six people instantly flooded the campaign with 150+ DC showing up to take it back.

No, It was specifically the campaign score that was quoted. Trust me, I know what they meant. Three months on Bloodthorn showed me what my opponents there were like, thank you.