NookyZooky wrote: »

Soulharvester wrote: »

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Well, following lore is one thing, painting yourself into a virtual corner is another.

If I remember correctly, did 2 dragons survive? That we know of?

paarthonax is one.

Paarthurnax is up on the Throat of the World with the Greybeards (or should be); I think Ohdaviing is sleeping in a mound until Alduin wakes him up. Those are the only two friendly dragons as of Skyrim (4th era, far in the future). The rest of them think we're scum.

dimmanxak wrote: »

Flying mounts destroyed spirit of adventure in Wow. I say NO!

Oh, I don't think it did that. And they did include things you can only discover by flying, even in Pandaria. Ever see the frozen dwarven mountain-climbers stuck to the side of the peaks of Kun Lai? You can only find them while flying.

I don't mind having to wait to level cap - in fact, that's a good solution. Sure, I'll slog it on foot, and do all the content and fight all the mobs until level cap. Cataclysm was OK, and I found it hard because it was my first expansion change, and the gap in gear really showed even then (I was in, at best, heroic dungeon stuff - and they gutted retribution paladins. I started getting kicked from LFD like crazy and didn't understand why.) But apparently, the devs hated Cataclysm as much as the forum trolls did.
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But what really, really bugs me is to have this carrot yanked away even further, or taken away completely, with only the whip remaining. As a tabletop RPGer, I do not like random encounter tables, or fighting nonsense trash for no reason; it's just a waste of time. Oh, if someone from the group was missing for one session, sure - the GM would delay things by taking over/allowing someone else to take over the missing person's character (keeping it in the background, mostly) and just having the group fight some trash for three hours - which can be how long it can take to resolve a combat scene in tabletop. But WoW devs, they're computer people, who think combat is the whole point - and if we're not fighting irrelevant mobs every step of the way from point A to B, then we must be doing something wrong.

Yes, yes, Wrath baby, 3.2. Flying as a nice carrot to entice you to level, much more than sporty gear was (and I still don't even know the difference, and with transmog now, anyone can be buff in what appears to be low-level gear.)

Is it a matter of developer laziness? Normally, I'd pooh-pooh that, but in this case .. yeah, they just don't seem to want to be bothered with working with flying; they just want to make a simple shooting gallery game.

Funny thing is, people HAVE asked for flying PvP combat, and yeah, I think that would be fun. Imagine two hunters having a WWI style dogfight ....

Ok, to consolidate these rambling thoughts - Cataclysm could have been great, if they had integrated the you-can-fly-right-away feature better than they did. Instead, the devs just saw flying as a nuisance, and went back to the BC/Wrath model in Pandaria. Flying was a great carrot to reach certain levels/level cap, because then you could avoid all that trash you got sick of fighting on the way to level cap, and do some profession farming in relative peace .. and maybe take in some scenery in safety, with a panoramic view. Some of my best memories of WoW scenery are from the air, sometimes not that high up, either.

The stinkiest thing you can do to anyone, man, woman, child or animal - is to offer a reward and then arbitrarily move the bar for that reward, or take it away completely, leaving only the duty, just because you can't be bothered to make the reward work for both of you.

I'd rather be given no promises at all, than false promises.

Leave flying out of ESO, simply because of the ugly can of worms introducing it would open.