I see them as a reward for hardwork and dedicated guildmasters or guild recruiters. Getting 10 players to join your guild is not that difficult really and its nice to have goals it adds challenge to a already to easy game!

Yes, it's ten members, SirenofEntropy. And whether getting ten members is easy or simple, or a goal to have for some. It is not something that should be a requirement. It has nothing to do with hard work, if a guild of five, eight, or however many people, under ten. Wants a guild, even if they are just a one man guild, why not ?

Why allow people to make guilds at all then ? if they don't have ten members they're basically discriminated against and not 'recognized' as a guild so it would appear. Small private bands or groups should be recognized, and allowed to have a way to distinguish themselves. I pay the monthly sub fee, to play the game. Why must small guilds be punished for not wanting to be a part of a large guild?

The problem is, there should not be an enforced requirement in a game that is supposed to allow freedom to play and enjoy it how you want. If a small guild wants to have a tabard, what does it hurt ? It harms no one, it doesn't change game play or award any advantage.

Basically by all responses so far, either join a large guild, recruit more people. Or too bad? That's ridiculous. I pay the same monthly sub everyone else does. Why should content be access restricted to me, that doesn't otherwise effect game play. Banks and stores are different and I have no interest in having a guild store. And I don't care about the bank space, I find it petty, but the tabard there is no excuse for it. No reason why a small guild should be denied a tabard.

A 10 person guild is a small guild, if you are below that you can't even call yourself a guild, you are a group of friend playing in a group

1. petition threads are not allowed.
2. It's not that hard to get 10 people in your guild to get your own herald. Socialize for a bit and find some new recruits or just find random people and ask them if they want to join you so you can get a tabard.

If you are telling me that I am not allowed, or able to voice a complaint about a product, that I pay for. Then it's an easily remedied solution as far as I see it.

Thank you gentlemen and or ladies, for your gross intolerance and general closed mindedness.

Hjorn wrote: »

I see them as a reward for hard work and dedicated guildmasters or guild recruiters. Getting 10 players to join your guild is not that difficult really and its nice to have goals it adds challenge to a already to easy game!

I agree with this.

Really the "Play the way you want" advertising has to be one of the worst things I've seen. A good portion, if not most arguments for why we are "entitled" to have something end up with someone bringing it up. You can play the way you want in that you get a lot of customization options (viable or not).

"Play the way you want" doesn't mean you can start at max level with all legendary armor and invincibility. You can't (legitimately) walk through walls be you want to play without having to walk all the way around. It doesn't mean any such nonsense that people are bastardizing it to mean.

Compared to Beta times, Zeni practically spoon feeds players with guidance, achievements, rewards, ect. Everything was "to hard". Guess what, TES games were always meant to be challenging.

Zeni doesn't "punish" small guilds, it rewards people for being an active member of the community and growing alliances with new people. You don't even have to do that. All you have to do is make guild "Iwanna Maka EphingHerald", go to a main city and make a comment or two and you're done. I've even seen a few who pop up "hey can I get some people to join x guild so I can open the bank and then you can leave"

Canstaht wrote: »

You disagree with my opinion, GFBStarWars. All well, it doesn't change the argument. I do not understand the mentality of trying to refute another persons perspective simply because it does not match your own. I am a player, the same as you, and while what bothers us in game may differ, do you not feel you deserve to be able to voice your grievances and be heard?

I agree with you people should be able to voice their grievances and be heard. I equally believe people should be allowed to present counter points to said grievances. What I don't understand is why people come to a place of discussion and try to silence each others, provided they are acting in a proper manner.

Zenimax should not impose any restrictions on players/guilds.

So much for them saying all players will have access to 100% of the game !

GFBStarWars wrote: »

If it was for me i would have given bank at 50 and store at 150

I don't understand what is the problem with 10 members.

The requirement is there so that the number of guild is limited, if there was no limit, each player would create their own guild just to have a tabard.

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And that my friends is a guild master's insanity. So please folks if you want to make guild masters go insane and kill all guilds. Yes then Be my guess Go nerd those guilds you are fond of and you just make stuff up.
BE my guest.. Go on.

Personally I agree with allowing smaller guilds their heraldry. Getting 10 members isn't even enough is it? The tabards are sold in the guild store and you need 50 members for that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Apart from that, we need more incentive for smaller groups in Cyrodiil. Right now it's all about the zerg. We need objectives that smaller groups can handle and have fun with. I applaud the OP for sticking to a smaller guild and not invite random people. Guilds should mean something instead of being a collection of random people who don't even play together.

vestmanneb17_ESO wrote: »

Personally I agree with allowing smaller guilds their heraldry. Getting 10 members isn't even enough is it? The tabards are sold in the guild store and you need 50 members for that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Apart from that, we need more incentive for smaller groups in Cyrodiil. Right now it's all about the zerg. We need objectives that smaller groups can handle and have fun with. I applaud the OP for sticking to a smaller guild and not invite random people. Guilds should mean something instead of being a collection of random people who don't even play together.

you are wrong, tabard are from 10 players, the guild store won't allow to sell in it but will allow to buy guild tabard if the guild master had designed one.

GFBStarWars wrote: »

vestmanneb17_ESO wrote: »

Personally I agree with allowing smaller guilds their heraldry. Getting 10 members isn't even enough is it? The tabards are sold in the guild store and you need 50 members for that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Apart from that, we need more incentive for smaller groups in Cyrodiil. Right now it's all about the zerg. We need objectives that smaller groups can handle and have fun with. I applaud the OP for sticking to a smaller guild and not invite random people. Guilds should mean something instead of being a collection of random people who don't even play together.

you are wrong, tabard are from 10 players, the guild store won't allow to sell in it but will allow to buy guild tabard if the guild master had designed one.

Ah. ok. that's good to know. My favorite guild has only 10 members

Canstaht wrote: »

I never asked for the game to be easy. I don't want easy content, game play should be difficult and rewarding. Social elements are a personal preference and have nothing to do with being spoon fed anything. I would rather be a part of a small band, achieving something with more effort and greater difficulty, than a large group zerging something to manage the same conclusion. I do not welcome hand holding in video games. It's an entirely different issue to the one I posed however. It seems anyone makes a suggestion or gives their opinion and it differs from the mainstream these days everybody just wants to squash it.

So I'll ask you that very question, why does everyone have to try and silence someone for having an opinion? The stance of dismissal, scoffing at the very idea that a small guild should be 'allowed' the same privileges as other Paying customers, mind you. I find highly unreasonable.

When it comes to game content, I agree game play mechanics should present the player with challenges, otherwise the experience is not rewarding. I do not see any correlation to that and the social element of the game at all.

MY point that comment was that YOU might want a challenge. But there exist people who want to godmode through everything.

Canstaht wrote: »

to deny a small guild the ability to make and have a heraldry and tabard, is pretty much against the core principle of freedom to play the way you want that Elder scrolls is known for. I petition for the member requirement for guild heraldry be removed.

"Play the way you want", you noted the no heraldry/tabard goes against it. The no godmode and unable to walk through walls and such goes against the way some people want to play. Some people want to be able to bash enemies over the head with lutes. There are limits to playing the way you want and it has to apply equally to all players from all walks of life and most parts of the world.

I am all for people posting any opinion they like, it's what makes the age of technology great. I just think it is silly to try to use the "play the way you want" as a defense of the opinion. I have a small guild with 3 people in it. I would love to have a herald, but I don't feel like recruiting additional people to get it. I don't feel I am being punished, I feel I'm being lazy

Small guilds are "allowed" the exact same privileges as other guilds, if they put in the effort to grow they are rewarded. It's like saying a level 5 character should be as strong as a level 10 character. Or if you prefer, it's like saying people who are new players are being "punished" because they can't afford a horse, and they definitely can't afford the good horse. Why should a "new" guild get the same benefits and a large well established guild that put many hours into developing it. I'm not saying your guild is new, but what applies to new guilds and small guilds is the same.

I do have a plausible solution though. Zeni would have to restructure the guilds a bit, but they're not terribly developed anyway. Rather than have the guild perks (bank, herald, store, hall one day maybe ) be based on number of members, they could have a leveling system, maybe throw in some guild quests that offer more points to advance the guild faster. Or maybe set up a "currency" like the alliance points that allows the guild perks to be bought.

I'm in one of these small friend-guilds, and we have exactly 9 members right now!

What I would like to know however: If we got a random person to join up and raise our number to 10, would we lose our guild heraldry when we thanked him for the effort and dropped back down to 9?

Many, many mmos allow 4 man guilds with banks. I really think the restriction is ridiculous. There should be a guild bank fee with no member limit. If you can pay it, you can have a guild bank.

Heraldry should be a given without member restrictions.