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Alchemy Mats (Specifically Columbine) Are Too Rare IMO

Evandus
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Greetings,

I've noticed something in my time playing ESO. My main, who uses alchemy, has had an increasingly hard time getting mats. Specifically, any mats that can be used to make restorative potions. And more specifically, Columbine.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that there are areas of the game I am unaware of. Nonetheless I'd like to briefly state my problem, and see if others are experiencing the same. It's been my observation that Alchemy mats will appear somewhat randomly throughout the worldspace. This is all well and good I suppose. Yet attempting to gather enough mats to create a batch of restorative potions is becoming increasingly more difficult. I feel there are a few reasons for this:

1. Lack of areas with high concentrations of alchemy nodes - If, for example, I'd like to gather wood or cloth mats I only need to go to Fel's Run (Daggerfall Covenant). There are many, many nodes there. And even if there are up to 6 others there simultaneously, we all can farm mats without frequent instances of competition. Enchanting mats have issues in frequency/concentration as well. But one has the option of visiting the starter island and running amok there. Not to mention the hireling option, which Alchemy does not possess in it's skill line. This often leads to number 2.

2. Insane competition in the one area of the game so far where Alchemy mats are abundant (Hollow City in Coldharbour). I've seen some things... lol. Botters I've reported that have thankfully mostly gone away. Sorcerers using morphed bolt escape as both a speed and distraction tool. Actual players cheating running at insane speeds invisible who are too lazy to hide their pets (thus easily noticed). This morning I was beat to every node I attempted to get to by a nightblade in sneak mode/Rapid Maneuver that moved faster than me sprinting on my horse. Players who become 'salty' due to competition often leave worms or crawlers behind. Leaving other players with the choice of leaving a node that way (which will not respawn) or ending up with only fishing materials.

3. Having one (that I've noticed so far) area of the game with abundant mats and the rest of the world areas intermittently and sparsely populated draws players to this one zone. This is counter productive as the nodes don't appear to consistently generate the same mats in relation to restoratives. Nirnroot nodes prettymuch only spawn Nirnroot. Same with Water Hyacinths, Wormwood, and Blessed Thistle. However the restorative nodes (which appear to spawn either Columbine Bugloss Corn Flour or Dragonthorn) are less numerous both actual number - but also further limited by spawning one of multiple possibilities.

4. Other professions have the option of getting a hireling, who can gather mats and send them to you. Alchemy lacks this.

My suggestion to you, ZOS, is to provide more opportunities for players to be able to gather restorative nodes. At present things appear to be congested and limited to the point of multiple players (today I counted 32 competing with me in an hour gathering session) being forced to go to one area to receive mats to craft with. This only begets bad behavior on the part of players. He who uses the most speed buffs (intended or not), wins. He who bots, wins. He who hacks the game to give advantages wins. The rest of us get mostly crawlers and worms.

Thanks for considering my request.
Edited by Evandus on August 7, 2014 9:38PM
  • Evandus
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    That's a long read. In the spirit of our ADHD generation:

    TL/DR: Alchemy mat farming is too limited. One area to get mats consistently is too limited. Make more. Why isn't there an Alchemy hireling?
  • Chuggernaut
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    It would be cool if you could pull more than one from a node if you where higher level. Like maybe a percentage based chance based on your level and skill points spent.
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  • S1L3NTKiLLaH
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    Alchemy is uselss, the real problem is this games community. PC players are mostly trolls who only care about themselves. They seriously need to do something abou this Columbine/Bugloss BS. Farmed crap for 2 days now and I have 100 Water flowers and 2 bugloss and 1 columbine. ZOS whats really going on?
  • Chuggernaut
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    Evandus wrote: »
    That's a long read. In the spirit of our ADHD generation:

    TL/DR: Alchemy mat farming is too limited. One area to get mats consistently is too limited. Make more. Why isn't there an Alchemy hireling?

    B/c they had to leave room for that awesome snake blood passive!
    My comrades have returned. I erect the spine of gratitude. You are a hero today. - Bura-Natoo
  • DenverRalphy
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    Some mats are always going to be harder to find than others. It's market control. That being said... Columbine is easy to find if you know where to look. Each zone has predominate species of plants. The only mat that I don't have a constant stack of 100 is Stinkhorn.
  • Sharee
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    Evandus wrote: »
    Greetings,

    I've noticed something in my time playing ESO. My main, who uses alchemy, has had an increasingly hard time getting mats. Specifically, any mats that can be used to make restorative potions. And more specifically, Columbine.

    For simple health restoration potions, i use luminous russula and blue entoloma. Those seem fairly common, and also aren't very good for anything else(most traits are negative).

    I used to rely on tri-restore potions exclusively for pvp, but i burned throught them way too fast, and mostly just to restore health. So for general healing, i started using these simple potions.
  • Azzuria
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    You don't -need- Columbine for every restorative potion. Yes, it's the basis for most but not the only one.

    That said, all of my alts harvest every material all the time so I'm only ever short high-level mats ( Fell Leather and level 40 water, at the moment ).

    Were I not at work I'd link to a page that has a listing of mats needed to make all the best multi-stat potions. Good stuff.
    Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
    Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
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  • Chuggernaut
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    Yeah stinkhorn is hard to find outside of Alik’r Desert (DC)
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  • siledre
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    I don't agree, I find bugloss, columbine and mountain flower all the time. as for stinkhorn, I find more of that in cyrodiil than anywhere else but not in great abundance, there probably is more in alik'r but I'm usually looking for the first 3 I mentioned and ignore anything else.
    Edited by siledre on August 7, 2014 8:52PM
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    guys imma share this tip with you even though it pains me to do it...

    columbine is crazy frequent in newbie areas. the newbie areas for your faction specifically. The crap is all over the place.

    mountain flower and lady's smock can be found well enough in high level areas. I usually don't worry about bugloss unless I see it.

    Make an alt and harvest as you play. This has worked incredibly well for me.
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  • BBSooner
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    I actually find columbine in droves. Can never find enough bugloss though, I'm always low/out.
  • DenverRalphy
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    BBSooner wrote: »
    I actually find columbine in droves. Can never find enough bugloss though, I'm always low/out.

    Eastmarch has bugloss in droves. I know that may not help if you're not in that faction. But in my experience each faction has a zone with tons of it. Eastmarch is the only one that comes to mind at the moment though.
  • Evandus
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    I appreciate the responses. And I'm not expecting universal agreement. @DenverRalphy: redacted

    @Sharee: Triple effect pots are what I make. My tank needs them in PVE runs as I've only met 2 healing types that actually try to keep a tank alive. I heal myself almost always. Additionally, I leveled Alchemy with the goal in mind of making my in game gold selling potions. Same with Provisioning. Triple effect potions (in a stack of 100) I'm told sell for upwards of 12k gp. In two weeks time of daily farming (meaning I'd only need 25 of each ingredient) I've been able to make a total of two stacks of pots. One sold for the 8k gp I put it up for in the guild store. The other just went up this afternoon.
    Edited by Evandus on August 7, 2014 9:24PM
  • Reverend
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    Columbine is easy to find if you know where to look.

    So no one thinks you are trolling, please give us the location you use for your easy to find Columbine.
    siledre wrote: »
    I don't agree, I find bugloss, columbine and mountain flower all the time.

    Would care to share siledre?

  • Artemiisia
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    Alchemy is uselss, the real problem is this games community. PC players are mostly trolls who only care about themselves. They seriously need to do something abou this Columbine/Bugloss BS. Farmed crap for 2 days now and I have 100 Water flowers and 2 bugloss and 1 columbine. ZOS whats really going on?

    lol useless :smile:

    once you hit vr5 potions you can make money, good money of, of it.

    like 10k for 100potions

    not telling which 3, that you need to learn for yourself
  • Sharee
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    Evandus wrote: »

    @Sharee: Triple effect pots are what I make. My tank needs them in PVE runs as I've only met 2 healing types that actually try to keep a tank alive.

    That's allright. I was just reacting to you saying you have trouble finding "any mats that can be used to make restorative potions".

  • DenverRalphy
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    Reverend wrote: »
    Columbine is easy to find if you know where to look.

    So no one thinks you are trolling, please give us the location you use for your easy to find Columbine.

    Simple really. I'm not going to spoil it entirely, but will give you some really simple advice. Any area with grassy rolling hills. Not steep mountains, not grassy plains, but rolling hills with a lot of green grass. Columbine is everywhere in those areas.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Nobody listen to my advice. Newbie areas, I found it frequently in all the lower level zones on all my alts.
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  • traigusb14_ESO2
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    There are definitely weights on the spawns by zone. (I'm in EP, so levels of zones will vary for you)

    I did all the VR zones a wile back, but only hang out in a few, so don't have a good feel for all of them.


    I tend to find a lot of restorative types in green grassy areas/zones. Glenumbria is good, so is stormhaven.

    I get columbine pretty commonly in Glenumbria and Stormhaven, rarely in craiglorn,

    Bugloss is incredibly common in craiglorn, so is dragonthorn

    I tend to look for moutain flower in sotuhern rivenspire.

    Coldharbor is good for all mushrooms, even stinkhorn, though it is less common... can also find them in some delves and Argoinain swamp hell, but really hard to find anything in Argonian swamp hell except water, trees and crocodiles... which will all try to stop you from finding mushrooms.

  • Evandus
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    It's clear that some are having better luck than others. Instead watching this turn into a namecalling session (which reside in abundance on these forums) I'd like to restate that having one area of the game in each faction with plentiful Alchemy nodes is causing grief. I believe this could be altered, to everyone's benefit.

    In that spirit, I'll remove my trolly .gif.
  • Evandus
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    Nobody listen to my advice. Newbie areas, I found it frequently in all the lower level zones on all my alts.

    The newbie Island in DC is the only place I can go to find enchanting mats with consistency so far. Though it carries some guilt. I'm sure I'm scaring the locals and budding characters running around there on my V2.

    I've not seen a lot of Alchemy mats there. Some, but very little in comparison to running up and down the streets of the Hollow City.

  • Garetth
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    I have over 200 of every plant banked plus and least 50 of each on my V2 NB alchemist. My secret is this: I live on the West Coast but play on the EU server. Everyday at about 7:00pm PST I spend a good hour or two at Coldharbour farming the plants.

    7:00 pm my time is 3:00 am EU time so nobody else is playing and if they are they certainly aren't farming like me. I have the whole place to myself and can usually get close 20 to 30 columbine a night as well as that many blugloss, ladys smock, etc.

    I keep my 3 V5+ toons fully stocked with potions all the time.
  • KenCleanAirSystem
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    The only ingredient I have had a hard time finding is Namira's Rot. Columbine, Mountain Flower, and to some extent Bugloss are less frequent than others, but I seem to find at least enough for personal use just questing. When I go out specifically to farm ingredients I usually end up with more than enough to supply my alts and could probably craft to sell if I was to spend a bit more time farming.
  • ferzalrwb17_ESO
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    The sneaky NB with RM moving faster than your horse could have been me. I do that. But not to beat people out necessarily. Like most people going as fast as we can it's so that we don't get BORED OUT OF OUR SKULLS by going slower picking damn flowers than we have to.

    I notice a lot of people leave the reagents they don't want which is fine except in the case of blessed thistle. Everyone has more blessed thistle than they can use so we should all pick them (dump them later if need be) so that the node has a chance of spawning something useful.

    As to the "invisible people" with their pets out. Hollow City is phased but the nodes aren't. And pets are often visible in areas with people in different phases. They're not cheating - they just haven't done the main questline yet. ;)
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    you know what really grinds my gears though, people who harvest the plant and leave the worms. Screw those guys!
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  • Evandus
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    One could add Wormwood to the list right along with Blessed Thistle. I'm still chuckling at the numerous stacks I've put up of invisiblity and detection potions that haven't sold for 26 days now. And Ive still a couple of stacks of each mat.

    The phased thing you mention seems plausible incidentally. Though I do recall not being able to pull anything from Hollow City save Nirnroot for a 2 week period in the early morning hours.
    Edited by Evandus on August 7, 2014 9:46PM
  • KenCleanAirSystem
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    you know what really grinds my gears though, people who harvest the plant and leave the worms. Screw those guys!

    LOL, agree completely! Just take the stinkin' worms so the node can respawn something useful for Auri-El's sake!
  • Nestor
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    To find Alchemy Mats, either turn off the Grass, or use the Skill that makes them glow. Alchemy Nodes are hard to find. And rare, and, worst, if someone just ran through the area farming, not around for about 10 or 15 minutes.

    Not like other TES games where you trip over one Alchemy node and fall face first on three others.

    Just the other day, I was poking around in Oblivion and I was farming mats, bascially running across the map spamming the Activate Key, reached my carry weight in less than an hour. Funny thing, I was not there to farm mats, but to explore some dungeons, I was just doing this as I went from A to B.

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  • S1L3NTKiLLaH
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    Artemiisia wrote: »
    Alchemy is uselss, the real problem is this games community. PC players are mostly trolls who only care about themselves. They seriously need to do something abou this Columbine/Bugloss BS. Farmed crap for 2 days now and I have 100 Water flowers and 2 bugloss and 1 columbine. ZOS whats really going on?

    lol useless :smile:

    once you hit vr5 potions you can make money, good money of, of it.

    like 10k for 100potions

    not telling which 3, that you need to learn for yourself

    lol 10k for 100 potions lol, yeah thats so much money!!!!!!

    I am 100% sure I have forgotten more about this game than you know about it.

    22 days play time I have, now I appreciate you tried to help but you came off like an arse. Now back to your moms basement.
  • ferzalrwb17_ESO
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    Don't need to turn off anything with keen eye..

    @Evandus‌
    I use Wormwood a lot and run dry. I don't see detect pots for sale anywhere (I look). We run in different circles methinks.
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