Guilds still worthless after being 'fixed'

Talrenos · August 2014

So There are two accounts in my house, and we belonged to a total of 9 different guilds (1 was in common between us) In each guild after the patch, no one had bank access. We subsequently dropped out of all 9 guilds.

Seriously, the fix was a pile of steamy guar droppings. Without bank tabs and assignable ones at that per rank, the whole guild bank is nothing to the membership. The leader wont turn it on for everyone to use because some moron will steal everything out of it. That makes sense and I understand that part. Unfortunately this means the leader gets to enjoy having a 500 slot bank all to himself, which was the case in all 9 guilds we were in. On top of that, the guild bank is re auto-repository for all the taxes paid for the things we sell in the guild store, so again, only the leader gets to enjoy the rewards of the free gold pouring into the guild bank that only he can access.

I don't need the guild store to sell things, I just do like everyone else and hawk my wares in open zone chat. If I don't need the store, cant use the bank, don't benefit from the taxes im paying, what the heck do I need a guild for? a glorified chatroom??

Yeah, not buying into this BS. I'll try guilds again when they are worthy of being a member. (ZOS - Get a clue and go play WOW or many other games, then re-fix guilds again)

Talrenos · August 2014

Funny thing is I found ZOS's guild spotlights feature to be laughable, so I made a phony one up to show what guilds are really like, even gave the guild a horrible name, bad responses and a lot of other stuff. It was meant to be funny and show a point at the same time. Then along comes some ZOS person, who does not actually read posts, see this phony guild spotlight, and moves it to the PVP recruitment area.

Peer into the shadows and meet our newest featured guild, the Fairy Fartwads, INC. !

If you have a predilection for mediocre and worthlessness as a group, you have found a new home!

Do you want to see your guild featured in an upcoming spotlight? Post your answers to our interview questions in this thread. Don’t forget to include some screenshots so we can show you off in your full glory!

What is your guild’s name? Does that name have a special history or significance?

The name of our guild is “Fairy Fartwads Inc"... FFi has nothing special behind it, we live to grief and gank others in Cryodiil. When you get murdered by our overpowered group, you will forever know you were killed by a Fairy...

When was your guild formed? Tell us the story of how the guild came to be.

I made this guild on day 1, brought over a bunch of us from World of Warcraft. We merely wanted to gather enough people to open our bank and auction house. Since there is nothing else we can do with the guild its essentially just a giant chatroom. All of us that formed the guild have turned off the chatroom, as we have no interest in the members or their idle chitchat.

What alliance has your guild sworn fealty to?

Not sure, does it matter? We really don't care much about it.

Why did you choose that alliance?

Choose what alliance? We just made a guild of convenience.

How many members does your guild currently have?

We have.... uh..... 92 members. No wait, 91 now. We will have more, just gotta go do more drive-by guild requests and spam a bit more.

Does your guild have a website?

No. Should we? No one ever uses them unless the guild forces you to sign up on it, then you only use it once to sign up and forget it exists.

What times and days is the guild most active?

I have no idea. I know I am active on weekends and after work. So I guess the answer is weekend and after work.

What countries do your members span?

New Jersey, and I got a buddy in Maryland I think.

What activities in ESO do your members enjoy doing together the most?

Me and my buds get together in that PvP place every Saturday, and roam around as a pack picking off small, underleveled groups and singles. Its fun to make them cry, and John figured out a way to use emotes to kinda teabag the people we kill, that really pisses them off.

What makes your guild unique?

Uh, we all wear pants?

Does your guild ever host special events? If so, tell us about them!

Why should we hold special events when ESO does not hold special events.

What is your favorite or most memorable moment as a guild so far in ESO?

There was this kid we killed, he thought he was the shiznit, but we tought him a lesson fast. He had the balls to return and charge us with a few of his friends, figuring he would get the jump on us. Did not happen. After a short battle, his little party was dead at our feet. He actually accused us of hacking or something and reported us, or so he said. You don't have to hack a game that's this easy to play, and at least that's one thing we never do.

Does your guild secretly (or not so secretly) follow a specific Daedric Prince? If so, which one?
I thought we were supposed to kill them, not worship them. Still either way, this is a game and no, no one bothers to follow a made-up entity.

After a long day of adventuring, where does your guild enjoy gathering to wind down?
Errr... You mean after a long day sitting on my butt in front of the computer? Dude, after several hours of play I don't need to wind down, I need to get up and take a walk, go outside and be active again. My rear gets flat and I get leg cramps from sitting too long.

Tell us five fun facts about your guild!
1. We cant fall below 10 members because I'll lose my access to the guild bank. I love having a 500 space bank all to myself.
2. um. Its a guild, were the best....
3. We don't kill bunnies.

If people are interested in joining your guild, who should they contact?
They can contact me, or better yet, just hang in a city for 5 minutes and we will randomly invite you to our guild.

Izzban · August 2014

Ask not what you can do for your guild, but what your guild can do for you?

Dovel · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

So There are two accounts in my house, and we belonged to a total of 9 different guilds (1 was in common between us) In each guild after the patch, no one had bank access. We subsequently dropped out of all 9 guilds.

Seriously, the fix was a pile of steamy guar droppings. Without bank tabs and assignable ones at that per rank, the whole guild bank is nothing to the membership. The leader wont turn it on for everyone to use because some moron will steal everything out of it. That makes sense and I understand that part. Unfortunately this means the leader gets to enjoy having a 500 slot bank all to himself, which was the case in all 9 guilds we were in. On top of that, the guild bank is re auto-repository for all the taxes paid for the things we sell in the guild store, so again, only the leader gets to enjoy the rewards of the free gold pouring into the guild bank that only he can access.

I don't need the guild store to sell things, I just do like everyone else and hawk my wares in open zone chat. If I don't need the store, cant use the bank, don't benefit from the taxes im paying, what the heck do I need a guild for? a glorified chatroom??

Yeah, not buying into this BS. I'll try guilds again when they are worthy of being a member. (ZOS - Get a clue and go play WOW or many other games, then re-fix guilds again)

Not sure why you brought up WoW. The Guild system here is the same as WoW in regards to the Bank and Guild Gold earned. The Guild leader always has the choice to keep Guild Bank space and Gold to herself if she wants.

Why not start your own Guild?

Talrenos · August 2014

Izzban wrote: »

Ask not what you can do for your guild, but what your guild can do for you?

I already DO for my guild, I pay taxes into the guild bank and I see those gold pieces doing nothing but funding the leader's personal bank. Out of 9 guilds, only 2 have active membership that chats at all, the others have people in them but no one ever says anything. It seems that everyone only is there for the guild store and that's it. so Yeah, if I pay my share to be in a guild I expect to get somethingin return

Talrenos · August 2014

Dovel wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

So There are two accounts in my house, and we belonged to a total of 9 different guilds (1 was in common between us) In each guild after the patch, no one had bank access. We subsequently dropped out of all 9 guilds.....

Yeah, not buying into this BS. I'll try guilds again when they are worthy of being a member. (ZOS - Get a clue and go play WOW or many other games, then re-fix guilds again)

Not sure why you brought up WoW. The Guild system here is the same as WoW in regards to the Bank and Guild Gold earned. The Guild leader always has the choice to keep Guild Bank space and Gold to herself if she wants.

Why not start your own Guild?

Not true at all. WoW has many bank tabs, which can be assigned per member level, also withdrawl limits, also assignable per level and rank. Those things mean there is control over the guild bank and no one can just wipe out everything. (unless of course you just gave them access to everything and they are not trustworthy)

Because there is no safeguards with the guild bank here, no one but the leader has access to it, thus every guild grants the leader a private 500 slot bank for his personal use.

Anastasia · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is I found ZOS's guild spotlights feature to be laughable, so I made a phony one up to show what guilds are really like, even gave the guild a horrible name, bad responses and a lot of other stuff. It was meant to be funny and show a point at the same time. Then along comes some ZOS person, who does not actually read posts, see this phony guild spotlight, and moves it to the PVP recruitment area.

Peer into the shadows and meet our newest featured guild, the Fairy Fartwads, INC. !

If you have a predilection for mediocre and worthlessness as a group, you have found a new home!

Do you want to see your guild featured in an upcoming spotlight? Post your answers to our interview questions in this thread. Don’t forget to include some screenshots so we can show you off in your full glory!

What is your guild’s name? Does that name have a special history or significance?

The name of our guild is “Fairy Fartwads Inc"... FFi has nothing special behind it, we live to grief and gank others in Cryodiil. When you get murdered by our overpowered group, you will forever know you were killed by a Fairy...

When was your guild formed? Tell us the story of how the guild came to be.

I made this guild on day 1, brought over a bunch of us from World of Warcraft. We merely wanted to gather enough people to open our bank and auction house. Since there is nothing else we can do with the guild its essentially just a giant chatroom. All of us that formed the guild have turned off the chatroom, as we have no interest in the members or their idle chitchat.

What alliance has your guild sworn fealty to?

Not sure, does it matter? We really don't care much about it.

Why did you choose that alliance?

Choose what alliance? We just made a guild of convenience.

How many members does your guild currently have?

We have.... uh..... 92 members. No wait, 91 now. We will have more, just gotta go do more drive-by guild requests and spam a bit more.

Does your guild have a website?

No. Should we? No one ever uses them unless the guild forces you to sign up on it, then you only use it once to sign up and forget it exists.

What times and days is the guild most active?

I have no idea. I know I am active on weekends and after work. So I guess the answer is weekend and after work.

What countries do your members span?

New Jersey, and I got a buddy in Maryland I think.

What activities in ESO do your members enjoy doing together the most?

Me and my buds get together in that PvP place every Saturday, and roam around as a pack picking off small, underleveled groups and singles. Its fun to make them cry, and John figured out a way to use emotes to kinda teabag the people we kill, that really pisses them off.

What makes your guild unique?

Uh, we all wear pants?

Does your guild ever host special events? If so, tell us about them!

Why should we hold special events when ESO does not hold special events.

What is your favorite or most memorable moment as a guild so far in ESO?

There was this kid we killed, he thought he was the shiznit, but we tought him a lesson fast. He had the balls to return and charge us with a few of his friends, figuring he would get the jump on us. Did not happen. After a short battle, his little party was dead at our feet. He actually accused us of hacking or something and reported us, or so he said. You don't have to hack a game that's this easy to play, and at least that's one thing we never do.

Does your guild secretly (or not so secretly) follow a specific Daedric Prince? If so, which one?
I thought we were supposed to kill them, not worship them. Still either way, this is a game and no, no one bothers to follow a made-up entity.

After a long day of adventuring, where does your guild enjoy gathering to wind down?
Errr... You mean after a long day sitting on my butt in front of the computer? Dude, after several hours of play I don't need to wind down, I need to get up and take a walk, go outside and be active again. My rear gets flat and I get leg cramps from sitting too long.

Tell us five fun facts about your guild!
1. We cant fall below 10 members because I'll lose my access to the guild bank. I love having a 500 space bank all to myself.
2. um. Its a guild, were the best....
3. We don't kill bunnies.

If people are interested in joining your guild, who should they contact?
They can contact me, or better yet, just hang in a city for 5 minutes and we will randomly invite you to our guild.

Really?

Omfg this cannot be true? ;o) / ;o(

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

I'm sorry, you're blaming ZO because you dropped all your guilds after a bug with ranks that they fixed?

And what a selfish way to think of guilds. A guild isn't there to provide you with extra bank space. If that's all you're using them for, then every game's guild system is going to be terrible for you.

Talrenos · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm sorry, you're blaming ZO because you dropped all your guilds after a bug with ranks that they fixed?

And what a selfish way to think of guilds. A guild isn't there to provide you with extra bank space. If that's all you're using them for, then every game's guild system is going to be terrible for you.

There was no 'bug' with ranks, never was. The fact is what they fixed was actually added, they never had functionality to add or change ranks in the first place. So it was not a real fix for a bug, but adding and creating new code to implement a function that was never there in the first place. If your gonna reply at least get it right.

Who the hell said I wanted extra bank space? Hmmm... I never said that in any of my posts, in fact your making an assumption about me, and you know what they say about assuming things...

My point is that only the leader gets to use the bank as a personal 500 slot bank, and that's not what a guild bank should be for. Also since my taxes are auto-paid into the guild bank that only the leader has access to, im funding the leaders wallet through my hard work and getting nothing in return.

I guess i'll have to spell it out for you: Guild banks should serve the guild, IMHO there should be one public slot where people can dump objects they do not want, resources, pots, etc for others to use. A lot of people are more than happy to donate stuff to other guildies, and if your guild is comprised of decent folk (meaning your not just randomly inviting people in town) then you rarely have issues with theft of the one public bank tab. The other tabs are set up for other things, crafting items, armors, higher level stuffs. Sometimes theres an area set up for raiding items. All in all the end result is the guild bank actually benefits the guild as a whole, not just a single person.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm sorry, you're blaming ZO because you dropped all your guilds after a bug with ranks that they fixed?

And what a selfish way to think of guilds. A guild isn't there to provide you with extra bank space. If that's all you're using them for, then every game's guild system is going to be terrible for you.

There was no 'bug' with ranks, never was. The fact is what they fixed was actually added, they never had functionality to add or change ranks in the first place. So it was not a real fix for a bug, but adding and creating new code to implement a function that was never there in the first place. If your gonna reply at least get it right.

Who the hell said I wanted extra bank space? Hmmm... I never said that in any of my posts, in fact your making an assumption about me, and you know what they say about assuming things...

My point is that only the leader gets to use the bank as a personal 500 slot bank, and that's not what a guild bank should be for. Also since my taxes are auto-paid into the guild bank that only the leader has access to, im funding the leaders wallet through my hard work and getting nothing in return.

I guess i'll have to spell it out for you: Guild banks should serve the guild, IMHO there should be one public slot where people can dump objects they do not want, resources, pots, etc for others to use. A lot of people are more than happy to donate stuff to other guildies, and if your guild is comprised of decent folk (meaning your not just randomly inviting people in town) then you rarely have issues with theft of the one public bank tab. The other tabs are set up for other things, crafting items, armors, higher level stuffs. Sometimes theres an area set up for raiding items. All in all the end result is the guild bank actually benefits the guild as a whole, not just a single person.

If you're in a guild where the leader doesn't let other access the bank and makes you pay taxes (which I've never heard of in my life), then get a new guild. You're blaming ZO for your poor choice in guilds, and in no way is this a developer issue.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · August 2014

Dovel wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

So There are two accounts in my house, and we belonged to a total of 9 different guilds (1 was in common between us) In each guild after the patch, no one had bank access. We subsequently dropped out of all 9 guilds.

Seriously, the fix was a pile of steamy guar droppings. Without bank tabs and assignable ones at that per rank, the whole guild bank is nothing to the membership. The leader wont turn it on for everyone to use because some moron will steal everything out of it. That makes sense and I understand that part. Unfortunately this means the leader gets to enjoy having a 500 slot bank all to himself, which was the case in all 9 guilds we were in. On top of that, the guild bank is re auto-repository for all the taxes paid for the things we sell in the guild store, so again, only the leader gets to enjoy the rewards of the free gold pouring into the guild bank that only he can access.

I don't need the guild store to sell things, I just do like everyone else and hawk my wares in open zone chat. If I don't need the store, cant use the bank, don't benefit from the taxes im paying, what the heck do I need a guild for? a glorified chatroom??

Yeah, not buying into this BS. I'll try guilds again when they are worthy of being a member. (ZOS - Get a clue and go play WOW or many other games, then re-fix guilds again)

Not sure why you brought up WoW. The Guild system here is the same as WoW in regards to the Bank and Guild Gold earned. The Guild leader always has the choice to keep Guild Bank space and Gold to herself if she wants.

Why not start your own Guild?

The applicable phrase being has a choice. There are levels of access in WoW. It is all or nothing here as of now, correct?

Erock25 · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

I guess i'll have to spell it out for you: Guild banks should serve the guild, IMHO there should be one public slot where people can dump objects they do not want, resources, pots, etc for others to use. A lot of people are more than happy to donate stuff to other guildies, and if your guild is comprised of decent folk (meaning your not just randomly inviting people in town) then you rarely have issues with theft of the one public bank tab. The other tabs are set up for other things, crafting items, armors, higher level stuffs. Sometimes theres an area set up for raiding items. All in all the end result is the guild bank actually benefits the guild as a whole, not just a single person.

I'm not sure why you are blaming ZOS for being in poor guilds with poor management and leadership.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Thralgaf · August 2014

Anastasia wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is I found ZOS's guild spotlights feature to be laughable, so I made a phony one up to show what guilds are really like, even gave the guild a horrible name, bad responses and a lot of other stuff. It was meant to be funny and show a point at the same time. Then along comes some ZOS person, who does not actually read posts, see this phony guild spotlight, and moves it to the PVP recruitment area.

Peer into the shadows and meet our newest featured guild, the Fairy Fartwads, INC. !

If you have a predilection for mediocre and worthlessness as a group, you have found a new home!

Do you want to see your guild featured in an upcoming spotlight? Post your answers to our interview questions in this thread. Don’t forget to include some screenshots so we can show you off in your full glory!

What is your guild’s name? Does that name have a special history or significance?

The name of our guild is “Fairy Fartwads Inc"... FFi has nothing special behind it, we live to grief and gank others in Cryodiil. When you get murdered by our overpowered group, you will forever know you were killed by a Fairy...

When was your guild formed? Tell us the story of how the guild came to be.

I made this guild on day 1, brought over a bunch of us from World of Warcraft. We merely wanted to gather enough people to open our bank and auction house. Since there is nothing else we can do with the guild its essentially just a giant chatroom. All of us that formed the guild have turned off the chatroom, as we have no interest in the members or their idle chitchat.

What alliance has your guild sworn fealty to?

Not sure, does it matter? We really don't care much about it.

Why did you choose that alliance?

Choose what alliance? We just made a guild of convenience.

How many members does your guild currently have?

We have.... uh..... 92 members. No wait, 91 now. We will have more, just gotta go do more drive-by guild requests and spam a bit more.

Does your guild have a website?

No. Should we? No one ever uses them unless the guild forces you to sign up on it, then you only use it once to sign up and forget it exists.

What times and days is the guild most active?

I have no idea. I know I am active on weekends and after work. So I guess the answer is weekend and after work.

What countries do your members span?

New Jersey, and I got a buddy in Maryland I think.

What activities in ESO do your members enjoy doing together the most?

Me and my buds get together in that PvP place every Saturday, and roam around as a pack picking off small, underleveled groups and singles. Its fun to make them cry, and John figured out a way to use emotes to kinda teabag the people we kill, that really pisses them off.

What makes your guild unique?

Uh, we all wear pants?

Does your guild ever host special events? If so, tell us about them!

Why should we hold special events when ESO does not hold special events.

What is your favorite or most memorable moment as a guild so far in ESO?

There was this kid we killed, he thought he was the shiznit, but we tought him a lesson fast. He had the balls to return and charge us with a few of his friends, figuring he would get the jump on us. Did not happen. After a short battle, his little party was dead at our feet. He actually accused us of hacking or something and reported us, or so he said. You don't have to hack a game that's this easy to play, and at least that's one thing we never do.

Does your guild secretly (or not so secretly) follow a specific Daedric Prince? If so, which one?
I thought we were supposed to kill them, not worship them. Still either way, this is a game and no, no one bothers to follow a made-up entity.

After a long day of adventuring, where does your guild enjoy gathering to wind down?
Errr... You mean after a long day sitting on my butt in front of the computer? Dude, after several hours of play I don't need to wind down, I need to get up and take a walk, go outside and be active again. My rear gets flat and I get leg cramps from sitting too long.

Tell us five fun facts about your guild!
1. We cant fall below 10 members because I'll lose my access to the guild bank. I love having a 500 space bank all to myself.
2. um. Its a guild, were the best....
3. We don't kill bunnies.

If people are interested in joining your guild, who should they contact?
They can contact me, or better yet, just hang in a city for 5 minutes and we will randomly invite you to our guild.

Really?

Omfg this cannot be true? ;o) / ;o(

Did you read the entire thread, or just the end? he is using sarcasm to prove a point.

Talrenos · August 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

a single person.

I'm not sure why you are blaming ZOS for being in poor guilds with poor management and leadership. You are just a whiner.... plain and simple.

None of the guilds I was in had poor leadership or management. All of them had *NO* leadership whatsoever. Only one guild at all had something decent going on and we are still in it. (as a side note that one guild that is active and does things together still does not allow bank access to anyone except the leader)

Point is that ZOS has yet to offer the right combination of guild controls to allow guilds to operate smoothly and with a lot of options. Currently there is no point in even having a guild bank system at all; it only benefits the leader.

jackyd · August 2014

There is a simple fix for the fact that you cannot create tab specific access rights:

Have 2 different guilds setup 1 for your dedicated crafters where all valuable resources are put into and where only officers and guild crafters have access and 1 where everyone of your guild has access to in order to dump crap into that they don't want/need which may be of use to other guildies.

My guild did it that way and we never had any issues and our members are happy the way it is handled.

Talrenos · August 2014

jackyd wrote: »

There is a simple fix for the fact that you cannot create tab specific access rights:

Have 2 different guilds setup 1 for your dedicated crafters where all valuable resources are put into and where only officers and guild crafters have access and 1 where everyone of your guild has access to in order to dump crap into that they don't want/need which may be of use to other guildies.

My guild did it that way and we never had any issues and our members are happy the way it is handled.

That is actually an awesome idea

Dovel · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Not true at all. WoW has many bank tabs, which can be assigned per member level, also withdrawl limits, also assignable per level and rank. Those things mean there is control over the guild bank and no one can just wipe out everything. (unless of course you just gave them access to everything and they are not trustworthy)

Because there is no safeguards with the guild bank here, no one but the leader has access to it, thus every guild grants the leader a private 500 slot bank for his personal use.

That is not true at all. The Guild I am in, some members have Bank access, some don't. Depending on rank. '

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

The applicable phrase being has a choice. There are levels of access in WoW. It is all or nothing here as of now, correct?

There is, the OP didn't bother looking into it before he hair-flipped and left all his Guilds. You may assign Ranks, and within those Ranks there are lots of options for what a member can and can't do.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

a single person.

I'm not sure why you are blaming ZOS for being in poor guilds with poor management and leadership. You are just a whiner.... plain and simple.

None of the guilds I was in had poor leadership or management. All of them had *NO* leadership whatsoever. Only one guild at all had something decent going on and we are still in it. (as a side note that one guild that is active and does things together still does not allow bank access to anyone except the leader)

Point is that ZOS has yet to offer the right combination of guild controls to allow guilds to operate smoothly and with a lot of options. Currently there is no point in even having a guild bank system at all; it only benefits the leader.

It only benefits the leader if the guild leader denies access to the whole guild. And again, you're blaming the game design for your poor choice in guilds. In what way is that ZO's fault? And what do you propose they do about it?

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · August 2014

Dovel wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Not true at all. WoW has many bank tabs, which can be assigned per member level, also withdrawl limits, also assignable per level and rank. Those things mean there is control over the guild bank and no one can just wipe out everything. (unless of course you just gave them access to everything and they are not trustworthy)

Because there is no safeguards with the guild bank here, no one but the leader has access to it, thus every guild grants the leader a private 500 slot bank for his personal use.

That is not true at all. The Guild I am in, some members have Bank access, some don't. Depending on rank. '

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

The applicable phrase being has a choice. There are levels of access in WoW. It is all or nothing here as of now, correct?

There is, the OP didn't bother looking into it before he hair-flipped and left all his Guilds. You may assign Ranks, and within those Ranks there are lots of options for what a member can and can't do.

Fair enough and then I stand corrected. If there are ranks and the access can be changed then that would work. I have looked and read a bit and it still seems it could be a bit more robust but that is a preference choice I suppose.

Vuron · August 2014

@nerevarine1138 wrote: »

@sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

a single person.

I'm not sure why you are blaming ZOS for being in poor guilds with poor management and leadership. You are just a whiner.... plain and simple.

None of the guilds I was in had poor leadership or management. All of them had *NO* leadership whatsoever. Only one guild at all had something decent going on and we are still in it. (as a side note that one guild that is active and does things together still does not allow bank access to anyone except the leader)

Point is that ZOS has yet to offer the right combination of guild controls to allow guilds to operate smoothly and with a lot of options. Currently there is no point in even having a guild bank system at all; it only benefits the leader.

It only benefits the leader if the guild leader denies access to the whole guild. And again, you're blaming the game design for your poor choice in guilds. In what way is that ZO's fault? And what do you propose they do about it?

I agree that this has nothing to do with ZOS.

I believe you're going to run into this situation quite a bit where the guild leader is the only one that has bank access and is getting a cut of everything. This is going to apply to many of those merchant/crafting/trading guilds that are advertised in zone chat and people join just to use the store or hook up with other crafters. Is that the type of guild that is being discussed here?

Good, established PvE and PvP guilds shouldn't have these types of issues. If you do, than I would suggest finding another guild.

Cuyler · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

a single person.

I'm not sure why you are blaming ZOS for being in poor guilds with poor management and leadership. You are just a whiner.... plain and simple.

None of the guilds I was in had poor leadership or management. All of them had *NO* leadership whatsoever. Only one guild at all had something decent going on and we are still in it. (as a side note that one guild that is active and does things together still does not allow bank access to anyone except the leader)

Point is that ZOS has yet to offer the right combination of guild controls to allow guilds to operate smoothly and with a lot of options. Currently there is no point in even having a guild bank system at all; it only benefits the leader.

It only benefits the leader if the guild leader denies access to the whole guild. And again, you're blaming the game design for your poor choice in guilds. In what way is that ZO's fault? And what do you propose they do about it?

I posted my proposition in another thread but here it is:

Patch 1.3.3 brought about the option to create up to 10 ranks in a guild however only added 3 new permissions.

1. Withdraw gold from guild bank
2. Deposit gold in the guild bank
3. Hire guild traders

Even with these new additions it is hard to justify having 10 ranks in a guild or having open bank access for 400+ members. I can only seem to separate members into 6-7 ranks before my permissions begin to overlap.

To alleviate this and provide members with a more diversified experience I recommend considering adding the following permissions:

1. Daily limits on guild bank withdraws with user programmable range
2. Separate permissions for bank withdraws based on item type

-(for example, a rank designed for Pvp players may only withdraw consumables while a rank designed for crafters may only withdraw materials, and a rank designed for generals may only be able to withdraw weapons/armor)

3. Daily limit on guild gold withdraws with user programmable range.

These I believe are a couple of the more "needed" permissions to efficiently run the guild banks. I'm sure the community can come up with some other great permissions we currently don't have.

I would like to give all my members access to the guild bank if they are not a new recruit but feel that I cannot because I simply can't trust 400+ people to do what they're told. This lack of bank permissions alienates members and makes for a limited guild experience causing people to leave the guild who would otherwise be a valuable member.

I implore you. Please consider these new permissions and any others the community is suggesting.

Best Regards,

EQBallzz · August 2014

jackyd wrote: »

There is a simple fix for the fact that you cannot create tab specific access rights:

Have 2 different guilds setup 1 for your dedicated crafters where all valuable resources are put into and where only officers and guild crafters have access and 1 where everyone of your guild has access to in order to dump crap into that they don't want/need which may be of use to other guildies.

My guild did it that way and we never had any issues and our members are happy the way it is handled.

That's what I have been doing since release but at some point I realized there wasn't enough space and there aren't that many valuable items so instead of having one guild bank closed off for security and one for full access I ended up just opening up both banks to the guild for any who have 2 guild slots to spare.

For the most part people just hold their rare mats in their personal banks and deposit everything else in both banks which gives members a large selection of crafting materials, pots, stat food and some gear that people donate. It's also used as an exchange for crafted gear for deconstruction.

My guild is not that large (about 65 people that are not all active anymore) but to date I have not had any theft related issues with 2 open guild banks. This is certainly not an ideal set up and I would rather have more guild space with better control over the access (tabs with permissions) but it's semi-functional in the absence of something better.

Reiterpallasch · August 2014

If you think guilds are fine with the "all or nothing" approach to the bank, then you're likely either a guild leader who wants free inventory/gold, or someone who wants to be able to take everything at will.

Between the choice of "join a guild and have no bank access" or "join a guild that can easily have the entire bank stolen from", neither option is a good one.

Probitas · August 2014

I still have seen no real tangible benefits to being in a guild. I was able to purchase one crafted item I could decon for learning the trait, and couple provisioning items for making some food. That is it, nothing I've posted sells, and I would not expect it to, since it's only seen by about 60 odd people (guild pop). It's a joke. I pay taxes when using the store, but it really doesn't do much at all for me personally.

ZOS needs to allow us an AH that everyone has access to and can use, and don't go on about the whole "It can't be done!" It can be done, it's been done in TSW, it's been done in EVE. No excuse for this except to *** people off and turn people away from playing this game unless they want to group up all the damn time to do anything and experience a complete lack of any really beneficial crafting system. Even the new dyes is purely a reward for playing the game in certain places, and not something you can profit from. It's like they designed the whole game to flumux gold farmers, but didn't give a thought about what would benefit players too.

apostate9 · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is I found ZOS's guild spotlights feature to be laughable, so I made a phony one up to show what guilds are really like, even gave the guild a horrible name, bad responses and a lot of other stuff. It was meant to be funny and show a point at the same time. Then along comes some ZOS person, who does not actually read posts, see this phony guild spotlight, and moves it to the PVP recruitment area.

Peer into the shadows and meet our newest featured guild, the Fairy Fartwads, INC. !

If you have a predilection for mediocre and worthlessness as a group, you have found a new home!

Do you want to see your guild featured in an upcoming spotlight? Post your answers to our interview questions in this thread. Don’t forget to include some screenshots so we can show you off in your full glory!

What is your guild’s name? Does that name have a special history or significance?

The name of our guild is “Fairy Fartwads Inc"... FFi has nothing special behind it, we live to grief and gank others in Cryodiil. When you get murdered by our overpowered group, you will forever know you were killed by a Fairy...

When was your guild formed? Tell us the story of how the guild came to be.

I made this guild on day 1, brought over a bunch of us from World of Warcraft. We merely wanted to gather enough people to open our bank and auction house. Since there is nothing else we can do with the guild its essentially just a giant chatroom. All of us that formed the guild have turned off the chatroom, as we have no interest in the members or their idle chitchat.

What alliance has your guild sworn fealty to?

Not sure, does it matter? We really don't care much about it.

Why did you choose that alliance?

Choose what alliance? We just made a guild of convenience.

How many members does your guild currently have?

We have.... uh..... 92 members. No wait, 91 now. We will have more, just gotta go do more drive-by guild requests and spam a bit more.

Does your guild have a website?

No. Should we? No one ever uses them unless the guild forces you to sign up on it, then you only use it once to sign up and forget it exists.

What times and days is the guild most active?

I have no idea. I know I am active on weekends and after work. So I guess the answer is weekend and after work.

What countries do your members span?

New Jersey, and I got a buddy in Maryland I think.

What activities in ESO do your members enjoy doing together the most?

Me and my buds get together in that PvP place every Saturday, and roam around as a pack picking off small, underleveled groups and singles. Its fun to make them cry, and John figured out a way to use emotes to kinda teabag the people we kill, that really pisses them off.

What makes your guild unique?

Uh, we all wear pants?

Does your guild ever host special events? If so, tell us about them!

Why should we hold special events when ESO does not hold special events.

What is your favorite or most memorable moment as a guild so far in ESO?

There was this kid we killed, he thought he was the shiznit, but we tought him a lesson fast. He had the balls to return and charge us with a few of his friends, figuring he would get the jump on us. Did not happen. After a short battle, his little party was dead at our feet. He actually accused us of hacking or something and reported us, or so he said. You don't have to hack a game that's this easy to play, and at least that's one thing we never do.

Does your guild secretly (or not so secretly) follow a specific Daedric Prince? If so, which one?
I thought we were supposed to kill them, not worship them. Still either way, this is a game and no, no one bothers to follow a made-up entity.

After a long day of adventuring, where does your guild enjoy gathering to wind down?
Errr... You mean after a long day sitting on my butt in front of the computer? Dude, after several hours of play I don't need to wind down, I need to get up and take a walk, go outside and be active again. My rear gets flat and I get leg cramps from sitting too long.

Tell us five fun facts about your guild!
1. We cant fall below 10 members because I'll lose my access to the guild bank. I love having a 500 space bank all to myself.
2. um. Its a guild, were the best....
3. We don't kill bunnies.

If people are interested in joining your guild, who should they contact?
They can contact me, or better yet, just hang in a city for 5 minutes and we will randomly invite you to our guild.

So you're a troll and you're ANGREEEHHH! You coulda said that in many fewer words.

Slurg · August 2014

Anecdotally, it seems a significant number of trade guilds advertising for members allow use of the guild store, and access to withdraw from the guild bank is limited to the guild leader and sometimes one or two co leaders. Basically the guild bank functions as the guild leader's own private stash in many trade guilds.

I was okay with this behavior before the patch because the stores gave me great access to buy and sell goods. But now that a cut of all of my sales goes into what is basically the guild leader's private bank, I'm not so comfortable with that.

Can we see what's happening to the guild funds in the history? If guild leaders are using the funds to bid on kiosks, that's okay with me. If the guild leaders are withdrawing all the funds for themselves, I'll be looking for some new trade guilds and hope others will do the same.

Anything that can be exploited in this game is, and I hope Zeni takes some of the good suggestions from players regarding daily limits and different withdrawal tiers seriously.

Probitas · August 2014

Slurg wrote: »

/snip
I was okay with this behavior before the patch because the stores gave me great access to buy and sell goods. But now that a cut of all of my sales goes into what is basically the guild leader's private bank, I'm not so comfortable with that.

/snip

Anything that can be exploited in this game is, and I hope Zeni takes some of the good suggestions from players regarding daily limits and different withdrawal tiers seriously.

That was one of the reasons I found very wrong with the whole design. I've been in guilds where donations were suggested but not required since making coin was very easy (it still sort of is in this game, but the sink levels are HUGE). Now with this it's forced, and we really have no say in the matter beyond leaving, and that means not even being able to get what little utility we DO have from the guild. The way it's designed now, it's really only for ONE guy to benefit from, everyone else is being exploited.

Now that's fine if we are playing a game that's supposed to treat all players beyond a few favored as slaves, but that won't be fun for the majority. This really should be changed, because it would make the most players happy if there was an actual Auction House. Only a small percentage of players don't want that kind of competition or easy price comparison.

Cuyler · August 2014

Slurg wrote: »

Can we see what's happening to the guild funds in the history? If guild leaders are using the funds to bid on kiosks, that's okay with me. If the guild leaders are withdrawing all the funds for themselves, I'll be looking for some new trade guilds and hope others will do the same.

From what I've been able to see, yes, under the guild history tab you can see the gold withdraws by whoever has permission. However it only keeps 24 hours or some max # of transactions of history saved I believe. I haven't bid or won a guild trader yet but I'm assuming you'd see it there as well.

For example, yesterday I deposited 3000g of my own to help with the purchase/design of our guild heraldry (our bank had ~2500g and heraldry cost 5000g). My deposit was visible on the history tab at that time.

I then spent over an hour playing with the tabard to find a design I thought would suit our members and purchased the heraldry for the 5000g. I saw this withdraw in the history tab as well.

Because so much time had passed while making the tabard, taxes from sales had replenished ~4000g in the bank which at that time I then withdrew my initial 3000g to repay my initial investment into the guild heraldry.

The problem is if you were to go to the history tab at that point (after a couple hours) all you would see is my withdraw of 3000g O_o making me look like a crooked guildmaster when it was really my investment in the first place and simply reimbursing me.

All I can say is don't be a bystander in your guild! Engage your officers and determine their motivations for the withdraws....there may very well be a legitimate reason that the history tab isn't going to show you after a length of time has passed.

SirAndy · August 2014

As a guild leader i only use money from the guild to do things for the guild, like creating a tabard (which costs gold) or bidding on a guild trader (which costs gold).

There is no way i'd ever use guild money for myself. And yes, guild members can look at the log and see who took guild money and how much.
;-)

PS: Also, as a guild leader, you can give other ranks access to the guild gold. If you want to, you can do that all the way down to the new recruit level.

Cuyler · August 2014

Probitas wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

/snip
I was okay with this behavior before the patch because the stores gave me great access to buy and sell goods. But now that a cut of all of my sales goes into what is basically the guild leader's private bank, I'm not so comfortable with that.

/snip

Anything that can be exploited in this game is, and I hope Zeni takes some of the good suggestions from players regarding daily limits and different withdrawal tiers seriously.

That was one of the reasons I found very wrong with the whole design. I've been in guilds where donations were suggested but not required since making coin was very easy (it still sort of is in this game, but the sink levels are HUGE). Now with this it's forced, and we really have no say in the matter beyond leaving, and that means not even being able to get what little utility we DO have from the guild. The way it's designed now, it's really only for ONE guy to benefit from, everyone else is being exploited.

Now that's fine if we are playing a game that's supposed to treat all players beyond a few favored as slaves, but that won't be fun for the majority. This really should be changed, because it would make the most players happy if there was an actual Auction House. Only a small percentage of players don't want that kind of competition or easy price comparison.

First off we were already forced to pay the gold sink and it went nowhere

Now at least half of it goes back to the guild which isn't necessarily a bad thing if used correctly or even given back.

Second, this money can be used to improve the guild which in turn benefits the members individually so no I don't agree that it's only benefiting the GM. You need to engage your officers and see if they're a decent human being.

If your leader can't provide an explanation or proof for what he/she is withdrawing for then ya you probably have a crooked leader and are being exploited and should leave the guild...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Honestly, if the trade guild is good the leader can do wtfever with the taxes and guildbank. I would prefer they use the money to bid on traders though.