onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Seconded.

ZoS incompetence has reintroduced two previously fixed bugs:
- FPS drop is back
- Memory leak is back

How can a company be so incompetent?

How can a MMO player with so many "vet" chars know so little about how MMOs work?

Crash? I thought it was a feature to make que count down faster so that ppl can get into the single full pvp server?

I have almost no fps issues even in very large fights. I am having the memory leak issue though. About every 1 to 2 hours the memory fills up and dumps me completely out of game. Seems like it was dumping several in my guild at the same time last night so it may not be a slow leak but rather something that is triggering it. Does seem like I am using a lot more memory than usual as well.

Definitely getting a memory leak with 1.3 that I wasn't getting before. Actually BSOD'd at one point just by alt-tabbing, that was rough.

I play a few hours, quit and log back in just to clear out the RAM a bit. It jumps from 800k at launch to ~2.8GB in that time, it's crazy. Really hope they can get it resolved quickly.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Seconded.

ZoS incompetence has reintroduced two previously fixed bugs:
- FPS drop is back
- Memory leak is back

How can a company be so incompetent?

How can a MMO player with so many "vet" chars know so little about how MMOs work?

I've played over 20 MMOs. This is the first to re-break things they already fixed.

The.
First.
One.
Ever.

I call **** on that. I have played MMOs for 14 years. I have seen stuff break again after being fixed.

Hm, haven't actually checked the memory, but I do crash a lot now. I don't PvP(but some of my friends do and I can tell when they're doing that - they'll be going off and back on every half an hour in best case. Crash crash crash, must be fun) but I crash everywhere else, too, at least several times a day. I think I've crashed...maybe several times in all previous months. I've already outdone this since last patch. I manage to crash in dungeons in middle of the fights(I'm the healer so you can imagine how good it goes after that)-.- I crash just running around, I even crash just standing in a city doing nothing, chatting to some friends. ESO is so...ESO. *sigh*

Hope they fix this soon. Good to know I'm not alone in this, at least.

The FPS drops or crashes are not on every system.

I for instance have won FPS since 1.2, while others complained they had lost them. That said I can still drop to 30-35 in crowded areas, but its not as bad as before when I hit 15-20 at times.

As for crashing, I did crash twice since 1.3 - the PC just locked up and had to be reset. This is an issue since 1.3 and ESO had not done this before. If its a driver issue or a compatibility issue I don't know yet.

I didn't change anything on my end, but maybe ZO did on theirs and this now conflicts with my system.


The big problem for any gaming company are the different setups that we people run. They fix stuff for one type of system, but break it for another at the same time.

While I don't make games, I know how it feels if you have to consider thousands of possibilities on your customers end while you make a product. Its a pain in the ... at every minute

What is this a thread by monkeymystic everyone agrees on? What has happened to this place?

This is ridiculous. I can't PvP for more than 30mins cause of the memory leak and if I make it that long it's because I didn't use weapon swap and get stuck with my second weapon not switching back, and my first skill bar being useless.

I didn't log in yesterday at all after crashing 15 times Friday night. Today I log in and craft some potions, food, and hit the bank, and then I hit weapon swap while contemplating PvP, but I get the weapon swap bug. Then my only options is to relog... when this happens in PvP and I relog I then have to wait forever to get back into PvP. It's become a joke just to try and play this game and I am very close to cancelling my sub.

zgrssd wrote: »

Regarding crashing:
Memory leaks can cause a crash too. In fact that is considered the best behavior a programm can have in case of runtime memory leaks.
When the game needs more memory but there is none (due to a leak), an exception and gracefull ending of the programm is the only real answer.

You can try to mitigate how much memory is needed. Texture size and visible player/world distance in particular should have a effect. Textures need exponentially more memory the higher thier quality is.
All textures have to be dragged through the RAM and decompressed to the last byte before being send to the GPU. If you lowever how much RAM they take, this might give you a longer time till failure.

I agree with you on most points, but the kicker here is that they had already fixed their previous memory leak problem, only to reintroduce it with the 1.3 update. It shouldn't be a matter of turning down our view distance and texture detail when the majority of us with this problem didn't have ANY issues at all before the update. I understand that the game needs to process a lot of data through the RAM, but it seems that the issue here is that the game isn't releasing anything from the RAM even after it's no longer relevant. This causes the memory to bloat up to the maximum that a 32-bit client can handle, and then we get a lovely CTD. It doesn't matter if we have 32GB of RAM on our systems because a 32-bit client can't use that.

If they are completely unable to locate the source of the leak and fix it, then maybe the solution (for some of us at least) would be for them to release a 64-bit version of the client. Then the game can chew on all the RAM it likes until it somehow manages to use 30+ gb of it.

Buck wrote: »

I didn't log in yesterday at all after crashing 15 times Friday night. Today I log in and craft some potions, food, and hit the bank, and then I hit weapon swap while contemplating PvP, but I get the weapon swap bug. Then my only options is to relog... when this happens in PvP and I relog I then have to wait forever to get back into PvP. It's become a joke just to try and play this game and I am very close to cancelling my sub.

This right here is heartbreaking, too. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I don't really pvp yet, but I've been crashing a lot in PVE, and I went from logging in every day and playing frequently to not logging in as much because the crashes are just so frustrating. I'm sure as hell not bored with ESO, I WANT to be able to play it. But crashing every 30 mins isn't fun at all. If I'm lucky I can get 3-4 hours in the game before it crashes and that isn't as big of a deal, but the whole time I'm playing I just keep thinking "when is it going to crash again?"

I've already tried just about every suggestion I've read about to try and fix it on my end, and nothing so far has made any difference.

If they can't get a handle on this problem it's going to cost them subscribers who otherwise may have continued playing the game for a long time to come.

zgrssd wrote: »

Skafsgaard wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Seconded.

ZoS incompetence has reintroduced two previously fixed bugs:
- FPS drop is back
- Memory leak is back

How can a company be so incompetent?

You make it sounds as if Memory Leaks weren't the second hardest to avoid, reproduce, detect and fix bugs in computer science (only race conditions are slightly worse).
Wich means you don't have any knowledge of the area and really should not call people incompetent. You are only making yourself look stupid and sound like a bad person.

When those people happily keep charging for a faulty product I reserve the right to call them incompetent!

It seems like there're always a lot of 'pro coders' and wannabe programmers coming in the DEFENCE of ZOS and their *** (please snip it out) product atm.

You don't know s**t about programming. You propably cannot even grasp the scale and compelxity of a word processor, and those are childs play compared to a MMO.
You simply have not the knowledge nessesary to cirticise a programmer. Period.

To give a picture of the scale:
Programming a MMO is like building a city. From scratch. While also having to minimise running costs of the city.
Now tell me, how there are not going to be problems while making and expanding something so complex?

When did I ever pretend to claim to know coding/programming? You missed my point entirely, which says more of you - and your repeated onslaughts on people who doesnt know programming (like we're somehow inferior). I know incompetence when I see it and as I tried to explain, it matters not in which sector (whether programming (in this case an MMO), the bank or even my local supermarket (note: I have no 'diploma' skills in either of the 3 mentioned cases)).

Keep your l33t qbasic skills to yourself (its the only coding i ever done, hence the reference). If you repost that I dont know programming, pls reread previous post.

Major FPS issues here, sometimes it feels like lag where you just freeze for a second. Also anyone else have issues where you cannot attack, nothing works at all for several seconds or even longer, I've gotten killed because of this. Just terrible.