The ones that really irritate me are the ones that assume if you don't have a million mods running you are a complete idiot. See it all the time. Someone will ask the location of a skyshard and right near the top of replies will be "get the mod" and then follow it with a variety of insults. For many of us the mods that tell you where everything is takes away from the exploration aspect of the game. Toss in that this is an MMO and asking others for information in game adds to the aspect of multi players and the ones harping about everybody needs the mods are probably missing most of what is in the game.
Mods are fine if you want to use them, but don't degrade others because they choose not to.

Even worse is the "google it" response. That should be an automatic one week ban from the game just on general principle. I was going to say in real life if you can't find the coffee shop you just ask somebody near by where it is. But I guess with a lot of people, they would google it. So bad example. Anyway quit with the "google it" and "get the app". If you don't want to help, don't respond.

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

Hi, sorry to punch a hole in your bubble of entitlement, but not rushing over to help someone with solo content that hundreds of thousands of others have completed on their own doesn't make somebody an ***. This is especially true when the question is asked like "guyz can sum1 help me kil dis dood".

Hi, sorry to punch a hole in your bubble of self-righteousness, but maybe you should actually read the thread, or at least the thread-starter before calling someone entitled. If you had read the OP you would have known that what he was describing (someone replying to his request for help by basically saying L2P) is completely different from complaining that someone is an *** for not coming to help. In fact, he specifically said that he's OK with people ignoring his request and not coming to help.

So yeah, maybe read next time and you won't make yourself look so foolish.

just ignore "those guys". it works for me (and I'm sure everyone else, too). yeah, I've gotten a few rude responses to my pleas for help, but for the most part, people jump right on board to help me and it actually makes me smile.

MeowGinger wrote: »

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

Hi, sorry to punch a hole in your bubble of entitlement, but not rushing over to help someone with solo content that hundreds of thousands of others have completed on their own doesn't make somebody an ***. This is especially true when the question is asked like "guyz can sum1 help me kil dis dood".

^ "that guy"

It has nothing to do with entitlement. It has to do with a player asking for help and getting insulted just for asking.

Also, judging by the OP's posts, he doesn't type things such as "guyz can sum1 help me kil dis dood."

I tend to type things like "Does anyone else need to clear the boss at 'X'? I am standing outside where they are if anyone needs to clear it. Tried to solo but died."

Sometimes I get people who tried and had trouble, and they are glad someone else is going to do it with them, other times it is people who already cleared it but are just being helpful. I'll always try to solo it, but if I die twice, that's when I start asking if anyone else wants to do it. Unless it is a strange hour with very few people online, someone comes over. Maybe one out of three times I'll get the lone person saying it's easy and I don't know how to play if I can't do it wearing no armor and using a level 1 dagger.

Skafsgaard wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The ones that really irritate me are the ones that assume if you don't have a million mods running you are a complete idiot. See it all the time. Someone will ask the location of a skyshard and right near the top of replies will be "get the mod" and then follow it with a variety of insults. For many of us the mods that tell you where everything is takes away from the exploration aspect of the game.

While agree no one should flame or get personal (only in AvA forums, I love to watch that!) asking for a location of a Skyshard in /z while being too cool to have a mod for the location seems a bit... well silly tbh, and no its not you that are silly, im sure you are a nice, just the position I don't get and call silly. I will often respond with direction to webpages and or mods, so that I will not have to answer same guy next time he is levelling his alt, I always thought tath was being useful/helpful - im sorry you dont see it that way and please continue spam zone.

To me being able to ask fellow players in game where something is located is a big part of being in an MMO. I tend to find the skyshards anyway because I go real slow and try to see every part of an area before I move on. If someone asks where something is and I know I try and point them at least in the general vicinity. Asking and answering questions directly related to what is happening in game is not spam.
And for some people having an app show you right where everything is takes away from one of the good things about this game. I know some want/need the shortcuts, and I don't begrudge them that. Just don't try and force it on those of us who would rather do without the shortcuts.

Telling someone to get the mod or google it is the same as telling them to do something that would cause the mods to come in here and edit my post.

GnatB wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

somebody asked how to mount the horse, some guy answered "alt+f4", its just twisted.

Maybe this makes me "that guy", but I tend to believe that stupid questions deserve stupid answers. If you're too lazy or stupid to go into the settings and see which key is bound to that function, part of me feels that you deserve to be told alt+f4, which is pretty much code for saying that's a stupid question. It's not like it's hidden functionality, it's right there in the keybindings with everything else.

If, for instance, you're in Auridon asking where the dye station is, I'll ignore you. It's in the first big city, on the map. A few seconds of time hovering over map icons and you've found it. If, however, you're in Stonefalls, then I'll happily tell you since, for whatever reason, there IS no dye station in the first city there, and you may not have found Ebonheart yet. (to be honest, I'm pretty surprised there isn't one in every city with crafting stations)

But you have NO idea what the person's experience level with computer gaming is. A total beginner might not know how to look up key bindings. And since Dye stations were recently added, someone could have completed most of Auridon and not know which city it is in, so they would have to jump around to find it. It takes 5 seconds to answer the question, the same amount as doing something that is harmful to the community.

rbenkepub19_ESO wrote: »

Unless I'm in the middle of something that would inconvenient to leave and start over (such as a dungeon), I help 100% of the people who I see ask for it. Dolmens, world bosses, quests, whatever - I respond to every call for help.

Batman... Where were you yesterday when I called for help?

No one showed up. (I know... we were in different zones, but I needed you. You should have been there anyway.)

Maybe next time I turn on the Bat Sign you will show up.

Skafsgaard wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

The ones that really irritate me are the ones that assume if you don't have a million mods running you are a complete idiot. See it all the time. Someone will ask the location of a skyshard and right near the top of replies will be "get the mod" and then follow it with a variety of insults. For many of us the mods that tell you where everything is takes away from the exploration aspect of the game.

While agree no one should flame or get personal (only in AvA forums, I love to watch that!) asking for a location of a Skyshard in /z while being too cool to have a mod for the location seems a bit... well silly tbh, and no its not you that are silly, im sure you are a nice, just the position I don't get and call silly. I will often respond with direction to webpages and or mods, so that I will not have to answer same guy next time he is levelling his alt, I always thought tath was being useful/helpful - im sorry you dont see it that way and please continue spam zone.

Exactly, it's the teach a man to fish principle.

Most things are easy to find out, but often people can't be bothered, they ask where abc is and before a few days have passed, they have asked where bcd, cde, def, efg etc etc is

I'm all for helping others, but at the same time they need to learn to help themselves. A Lotro guild I was in would willingly help anyone, what we would not do is hold someones hand through the entire game because they couldn't be bothered to learn.

Only today with guilds down, I was short of 2 bits of a crafting mat. A few of us had grouped up even though we were doing different things so we could communicate still. I asked if any guildie had a couple on them spare, someone said to give them a couple of mins and they would go to their bank and look, I said not to worry, I'll go harvest some. I don't think telling someone to go mine is that bad a thing because there is an abundance of nodes everywhere, simply port to an area with the level item you want and I doubt it will tske you more than 2 mins to find it.

When it comes to friends, guildmates etc, sure I'll often go the extra mile and if someone wants to know where something is, I will google it for them and politely say "according to google it's at..."

Telling people to google this sort of thing isn't a bad thing to do, simply typing in the skyshard hint will give you numerous replies saying exactly where it is, same if your looking for a location and the chances are in the first two results will be a site worth bookmarking for when you need help for the rest.

Sure many things in life google can be more of a hindrance, such as if you have a programming problem and aren't exactly sure what you should be googling for, but how hard is it to type "xyz skyshard eso" rather than fill up zone chat when the chances are if someone does give you the answer, they will hsve googled it themselves or have the mod installed.

I appreciate the tone of "google it" or "get a mod" often sounds harsh but if everyone just asked others rather than do it themselves, zone chat would be even more horendous than it already is.

Plus of course, many other players not wanting to use say the skyshard mod as they want to find them all themselves, do not want locations constantly posted in zone chat.

Years ago when learning system programming, my mentor often refused to give me answers that would have taken him 3 secs to tell me, insead he would do something like chuck a huge manual on my desk and tell me to find out for myself. When 3 hrs later I finally worked it out, and I commented on what a waste of 3 hrs that was, he would reply "but you wont ever forget, plus you learn how to find things out for yourself, I wont always be here". And in hindsight he was 100% right and I'm glad he taught me that way (and obviously if I couldn't work it out after trying, he would help etc)

As to the OP, yes sometimes jerks are trying to show off, but sometimes they are simply saying that a particular bit of content isn't as hard as they might think.

I personally never ever pug with anyone, I've met too many jerks. I've spent 10 mins going to help random people before, stopping what I'm doing, only to get there and find they managed to solo it after all or they met up with a friend or 1 min after I turn up they say they have to go, or they are well under level etc etc etc.

People say they don't want to join a guild in an mmo, then wonder why so few people offer to help them in zone chat. I will happily give up entire evenings, 4hrs + helping fellow guildies do content I've completed, but you have to get me in a very special mood if you think I'm going to do that for a random player. We do the group dungeons on guild runs etc.

There are loads of crap guilds around, there's also loads of great ones, catering for all needs whether new to mmos, casual or hardcore. I wrote a post on another forum explaining exactly what I was looking for in a guild and was pleasantly surprised as to how many people sent me pms, I browsed their web sites, found one I thought was a great match and have been in it since just before ESO went live and have made many great online friends. We all have fun, we all go out of our way to help each other and the problem the OP posted simply doesn't exist.

mdavi27b14_ESO wrote: »

Wouldn't it be simpler and more comely to recognize that there are always going to be trolls on the internet, and just ignore the people that are being confrontational and unhelpful in-game? Like the rest of the internet has learned to do? Instead of whining about it?

The internet can't magically remove the bad things from life for you. There's going to be people who bug you online just like there is in real life. In the thousands of years of recorded human history, no one has succeeded in wishing away the people who disagree with them. It might be time to learn how to live with it.

Actually, i think discussing the losers we run into may:
1) help some players decide to not become losers
2) show some losers who thought they were cool, just how stupid and pathetic they actually look to everyone when they open their mouths.

So I'm all for it. When I deal with an idiot at work I do it in front of enough people that the idiot REALLY understands how he is viewed by the time I'm done. Nothing like having a whole group of people looking at you like you're a effing ***, when you actually are an effing ***.

indytims_ESO wrote: »

"Go solo it".

Ummm... if I could solo it, WHY would I be asking for help?

Thing is, while yes there are a lot of jerks around, sometimes people do ask for help without trying to solo it first and sometimes others might know its easier than people think.

"Go solo it" is not the way to respond of course.

An example, I reached vet 5 a few weeks ago and presumec I needed help with the anchors in Cyrodiil. I was with a guildie, she said unless things ha e changed they are easier than level 1 - 49 ones and she was right.

I could solo all of the ones in Cyrodiil because while they might say vet 5, they clearly aren't (while I soloed these every time, at vet 5 I would die doing vet 1 ones in AD). I've bugged this, there's numerous threads about it on this forum.

But it is natural for someone to think they need help for these, hence if I was asked by another vet 5 + player I would politely tell them to try solo first .

There's bosses I've tried in this and other games where guildies have said I should be able to solo it at my level, and to try tactic xyz, and if after a few attempts I'm still stuck, they will come and help.

They aren't rudely telling me to l2p, they are guiding me so that my game play improves. Had they came and blasted everthing with me, I would have needed their help at almost every other boss I meet. This way they got me to try things I would never have thought of myself.

So I do think there's more to it than just getting someone along to kill stuff with you, at the same time there are a lot of arrogant idiots about who shouldn't be let near a keyboard.

Before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusions, I'm far from a very good player, have arthritis in hands, poor eyesight, various health probs and just turned 50, my point being, I'm not some elite player who can kill anything I meet

Ojustaboo wrote: »

True, but simply telling them which key to press is the wrong way as then before long they might ask what key to press for quests etc.

Telling them how to find out is best.

Still have to disagree. I subscribe that giving them the starting point is best. If they figure it out on their own, they'll remember it better and apply it to other similar situations. And in this game, for this question, simply being in game *is* the starting point. Heck, it's probably harder to ask a question in /zone. The default is /say. Or find the stable, for that matter. I'm sorry, but I'm sticking with the belief that anybody asking how to mount their horse simply never ever even tried to see if they could find out how themselves. Poking around the menus will quickly get you the answer. And heck, either set of menus would work. Esc menu would lead inevitably to settings which would lead to keybindings, which gives the answer. Other set of menus would lead to help, which would give the answer on how to mount as well.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Enchanting is my main craft, I use an excellent site that tells me what I need to make what glyph. If someone asks how to make say an increase magicka glyph for vet 3 armour, should I go to that site and then type back what it says or should I post the web address for them to look at?

Neither. You should start back farther. Direct them to this really handy website that would help with other questions they may have as well, known as www.google.com. If, after a delay, they then come back and tell me they can't find a good source, I'll tab out and (if I remember) verify the keywords I used to find it and give 'em them. Otherwise, then yeah, I'll give 'em the URL.

I know, your feeling, specially when you don't live in the USA or Canada (talking about NA Servers), but ignore them, bad apple will always exists, When I need I always ask for help, usually in Mini-Bosses, or Public Dungeons, since Group Finder is useless... (sorry @Zenimax but you need to revamp it, need serious adjust in Group Finder), but don't stop to as for help, I'm sure many people will try to help, including me , cya u around NA Servers! Vet Zones!

it goes in phases.... some hours the chat is filled with helpful players and fun chat, the others its filled with tweenies thrilled to be able to cuss and brag about sex they never had and troll other players. I usually just whisper to the person the answer they need then and skip the harassment

Well, I always like helping other players because the entire point of MMO's is social interaction with other gamers. I can say this to other people that think that just posting the answer is too incredibly difficult or that you want to "teach" that player to find the answer for him/her self: You aren't here to provide life lessons via ESO. If you don't have an answer to the players question, who the hell are you to sit here and be like "oh i'll just say google it, because im gonna teach him to fend for himself." Just post the answer or don't post. Hardly a difficult concept and let real life situations teach them real life lessons. You aren't a teacher, you're an ESO player.