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andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I think the biggest concern is the use of mega servers rather than smaller population servers that many MMOs used previously. The logic is that if you have 1/2 million people playing on a mega server, a single AH would be a bit of a nightmare.

This for the most part. The only style auction house that would work with the "mega server" set up is like the one in GW2. Essentially every single person playing the game would be using the same auction house and that is not what the developers want. There are several interviews available you can find with a gogle search.

The topic has been debated endlessly since beta.

A decentralized market increases the viability of merchants, people can actually buy low and sell in this game. In other games with an AH, that ceases to exist due to price stabilization. This system is VERY seller friendly. As I typically sell more stuff than I buy, I enjoy it. Now as a buyer, you will have an often hard time finding what you need when you need it, but that can be mitigated almost entirely by joining a main guild, and four trading guilds. If you havent joined a trading guild or two or three or four, you haven't begun to try to understand this system. Which would sum up most of the complaints. This games economy is extremely volatile and reactive/proactive and that is a good thing. It makes the game more enjoyable for those that aren't mouthbreathers. People(Especially adolescents and children) fear/hate what they don't understand. QQ the dead horse is dead, quit beating it... For MONTHS.

There are good and bad things about a server AH.

The one issue that many see in different lights is the offer and price of items.

Since there are tons of players selling everything , the prices go down fast and most stuff becomes worthless , since everyone will be selling it.

To me that is a good thing since i can then get anything i want to use without a problem , to others who like the buy/sell thing , it is annoying and so on ...

There is also the idea of few controlling the market , which still happens anyway in ESO , but it is harder and more limited than it would be with a server wide AH.

Personally i dont trade with other players directly , that annoy me , so any and all AHs they add are a good thing to me , will be checking these new ones.

With the lack of an AH, people are "encourage" to interact with each more; thus make more friendships. I really enjoy the lack of AH in ESO,

audabon2013 wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

With the lack of an AH, people are "encourage" to interact with each more; thus make more friendships. I really enjoy the lack of AH in ESO,

Lol. Immersion argument.

Technically, it's the social argument. He's saying that without an AH he has to be more social with business dealings, and that he enjoys it. As do I.

I hate that of my 5 guild slots I have to devote 3 of them to trade guilds....most of which never have what I want and then go inactive or have a bunch of idiots who try to sell every INDIVIDUAL thing they ever find in a sack or crate so searching is a nightmare when I want to buy! I understand the reasoning behind not having the standard AH...but what they've come up with sucks. There HAS to be a better way.

What I'd love to see (but am not sure how they would implement it admittedly) is added shops in the town trading areas. There would be one that just sold consumables, one that just sold gear, one that just sold mats, etc. Each store would only sell level appropriate goods for the level area it was in. As a seller, you would have to go to that store and select "sell" for your goods. Then, of course, there would be a markup and you would receive your gold when your item sold, pretty much how it works now...but you don't have to be in a guild to do it. I'm just trying to figure out how they would instance them so that you don't essentially have an AH. But say you sell an item at the shop in Wayrest.... no one looking in Daggerfall or the equivalent Ebonhart zone is going to see your item or be able to purchase it. So at least that makes goods regional. Of course if you have an alt in EP and you put his items in your bank and then your DC character pulls them out in DC to sell as rare merchandise from far away I think that would be pretty cool....and possibly expensive! Either that or they REALLY need to figure out a way fix Trade Guilds and make them both viable and competitive with each other. Because the way it is now just...sucks.

The only thing I could ever think of is that there aint that much in game that you actually need to buy.
If you think that the AH would supply all your raw mat needs to level your char to 50 in all craft skills, which is actually quite easy to do.
After that then.....erm? Craft yourself that set of Warlock armour and some special food and that's about it. Job done.
About a week? Then everyone will be complaining their is no point to the AH and to nerf it.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

I think the biggest concern is the use of mega servers rather than smaller population servers that many MMOs used previously. The logic is that if you have 1/2 million people playing on a mega server, a single AH would be a bit of a nightmare.

I believe this is pretty much the stated reason. Due to the mega-server structure an AH would allow a select few to control the entire economy (including gold sellers).

I don't necessarily disagree with their position but I also don't agree with their solution entirely. The new market traders are going to be fine for wealthy guilds or established trading guilds but these will not help small guilds or guildless players who can't outbid those with greater resources.

I think in addition to the system they have now they need to go old school and add regional "market boards" in select cities across the game world. Then individual players or small guilds would have an avenue for selling items and I don't think it would adversely affect the economy any more than the current system. People would have to be in that city to view the boards so that should alleviate any AH type concerns and players would have options to focus on selling in different cities depending on their wares.

The problem with having an actual server wide market (whether it's auction based, or not) is it would lead to a decent economy. People would actually be able to buy good stuff at good prices. ZoS doesn't want that. They *explicitely* said they don't want that. I say they're nuts.

About the only sane argument I can think of in favor of the current intended system is that it strongly supports arbitrage. i.e. being able to buy low in one guild and sell high in chat/different guild.

Now, personally, I feel arbitrage, in an MMO, is more scamming/taking advantage of the ignorant (and thus a bad thing) than providing a useful service like it occasionally is in real life (where there may transportation issues/customs/etc.), so I tend to see it as yet another bad thing.

Personally, I played EQ from release to the planes. I've had my fill of MMO gaming sans auction house. I don't really need to revisit the east commonlands tunnel. (though, admittedly, I spent pretty much all my time in Kelethin selling bows) Having a broker is far more immersive than people spamming chat. If you really want to be immersed, feel free to stand next to the other merchants somewhere and stand around waiting for somebody to walk up and ask to buy something from you.... without spamming /zone.

Sindala wrote: »

The only thing I could ever think of is that there aint that much in game that you actually need to buy.

I have never bought any:
Armor
Weapons
Foods/Drinks
Ingredients
Re-agents
Solvents
Runes

The only thing I ever buy are:
Glyphs and that will end if I can ever grind Enchanting up and find aspect runes
Soul Gems (just because I don't find any as loot, or maybe I do and don't notice when it happens)
Horse Upgrades
Bag and Bank Upgrades.

So, of the 4 things I do buy, two of them will go away soon (soul gems are more common as loot in VR from what I understand)

I can't see how an auction house will help anyone

Why not, then, offer an NPC in capital cities that you can search guild stores without being in them?

MercyKilling wrote: »

I just want an easily accessible place where I can go WITHOUT BEING A MEMBER OF ANY GUILDS and peruse/buy things other players have to sell.

If this turns out to be an auction house, so be it.
If Zenimax can keep it from becoming an auction house, kudos to them.

Excellent point +1

Clunan wrote: »

audabon2013 wrote: »

Still the same old arguments.

1. Doomsday lies about how a meged daserver AH woul destroy the universe as we know it.

2. Immersion (aka social). trade spam isnt very social/immersive, sadly people like this fallback argument due to its subjective basis.

I could care less about either of our opinions on a global AH, as it's a done and done topic. What irks me is the fact you still don't understand the difference between an immersion argument and a social one. You could have used "2. Immersion/Social" and it would have been correct as you could use either/or for your argument... But using also known as..? No lol

EDIT: Spelling

What should irk you is immersion/social is the same subjective argument and you don't know that. People feel immersed through many aspects of game play. This includes social interaction; not just your narrow scope of the definition.

Ty for adding your rudeness to the discussion though.

From what I've gathered from previous threads on this topic the alleged advantages of no AH are:

1) Trade spam in zone chat is "social interaction"; That moment of "I'll buy that, COD it to me" "Sure, sent" is the basis of lifelong friendships that will magically last beyond the five minutes it takes for you to forget the name of the person you just bought from/sold to.

2) Related to 1, spamming zone chat with items you want to sell moves you beyond the role of mere adventure into a bona fide medieval-style market merchant, cheerily calling out to customers passing by their market stall.

3) Further "social interaction" in the form of several guilds whose chat you'll ignore by removing them from the main chat window.

4) Because adding an AH would make ESO a carbon copy of WoW because, as everyone knows, WoW was the first MMO ever and, therefore, had the first AH in any game...apparently. Putting an AH in ESO would lead to the graphics reverting to a mid-2000s cartoon aesthetic, all our races would change to things like Pandarens, Worgens and so on and we'd lose the three factions, which would be replaced by two, Alliance and Horde.

I prefer market fluctuation, I've made a decent chunk of my wealth from buying low in one market and selling high in another.