So... Are People Just Exploding Now?

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

It seems the TTK (time to kill) has dropped precipitously and people are exploding from near full life to dead. Death Recaps aren't even usually showing large hits, just lots of normal sized damage attacks. What's going on?

Manoekin · August 2014

Everyone hits a lot harder now with the increased soft caps. If you don't have over 3k health unbuffed in Cyrodil you're doing it wrong.

Cody · August 2014

Manoekin wrote: »

Everyone hits a lot harder now with the increased soft caps. If you don't have over 3k health unbuffed in Cyrodil you're doing it wrong.

then im doing it wrong. yet I can still get kills:D

Rooty · August 2014

We've been noticing issues with this too. Nearly every death recap when this occurs has Lethal Arrow, so we think it may be linked to this.

Rylana · August 2014

Yep, dead before i even knew I was being attacked. First attack was lethal arrow 1350 followed up by a boatload of 800 damage other attacks, didnt even care to see what they were.

Pretty much called it a day at that point.

The_Drexill · August 2014

That's... not good news.

Galrukh · August 2014

I havent really noticed this myself.

Natjur · August 2014

Had a few use lethal arrow at 44+ range against me but Defensive Stance made it kill themselves so it was all good since the healing debuff also hits them when its reflected.

Xsorus · August 2014

Defensive Posture doesn't reflect Arrows, unless it changed this patch

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

The last game that saw a greatly decreased TTK like this was SWTOR with the 1.2 patch and it turned PVP into a pure frag fest. Even fully defense specced tanks died in just a few seconds. No one could heal through it. Everything became an alpha strike slugfest, seeing who could blow people out of their boots the fastest.

ESO already has enough alpha strike issues with ulti drops, but this is making it ridiculous. I want some level of tactical combat, not insta gib messes that go to the biggest zerg.

Tripwyr · August 2014

We've been noticing people dropping from high health to zero without getting visibly hit by anything. We're talking 500+ impenetrable players with 3300+ HP (3800 with warhorn) suddenly dying without any visible indication as to why. Death recount thus far has not helped, we have not noticed any pattern. A few of us have noticed that every time it happens, we are or have recently been attacked by a Nightblade.

Rylana · August 2014

I am starting to think Mark is applying its buff for everyone instead of just the NB casting it, which according to tooltip is not supposed to happen. Its supposed to reduce the targets armor to the caster and vice versa.

Would make sense, since practically every snipe you ever get hit by is coupled with a mark.

Tintinabula · August 2014

all my deaths to emps and scrubs alike are in relation to something called fire ring or electric pulse. Im calling for a nerf nau.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

Tripwyr wrote: »

We've been noticing people dropping from high health to zero without getting visibly hit by anything. We're talking 500+ impenetrable players with 3300+ HP (3800 with warhorn) suddenly dying without any visible indication as to why. Death recount thus far has not helped, we have not noticed any pattern. A few of us have noticed that every time it happens, we are or have recently been attacked by a Nightblade.

I've noticed it with both Nightblades and Sorcerers. Either it's several Endless Fury (with no actual explosion at the end -- just the spell itself) or it's getting sniped. I had already switched back to my heavy armor set to test the sustainability as a tankier DK so wasn't even wearing my light -- I had soft capped Armor AND Spell Resists (1970ish in both). Both with armor shatter applied on me and without, I was dying rapidly. Usually no hit bitter than 600-700 damage individually.

Our Templars would spam heals -- no barrier or purges, just the heals -- and all it would accomplish is leaving them up as the smart healing wasn't reacting fast enough except for their one guaranteed target -- themselves.

Rylana · August 2014

I thought of something else actually. You said nightblades. Its completely possible with the stiff increase in crit hit rate that we have nightblades overcoming the Impenetrable cap again and stacking multiple night mother procs. (I can currently hit 75 percent crit hit chance on mine if I have keep bonus, could probably push that to 80 with thief mundus, along with about 45 spell crit)

I remember that from Beta, it was a gorefest when that started stacking. Armor to zero in four/five hits or so, leaving the last shot to bare 0 basically.

SBR_QuorTek · August 2014

ambush the zerg with a stealth group then.. and move in for the kill.... think of it like... there goes the healers...

Renuo · August 2014

A Lot of weird stuff going on and some attacks aren't updating the hp as if it never registered but the damage is actually done.

I've often noticed so far that I'm shooting people like normal but there's no animation or damage showing on target but my addon shows damage. Then they just randomly died with a full hp bar if I keep the attack going.

Noticed similar things on myself and not just from being hit by a bow.

Also I'm not a fan of the new clunky standard attacks on bows...

Tintinabula · August 2014

Yes that too.. I ran up to a sorc tonight to release all hell and fury on her and I swung my weapon and bashed her and shot my staff but no skills..she eventually got tired of my swords 74 damage and fire ringed me to death.

Braidas · August 2014

Yep, was happening to me a bunch of times today. Nearly full to nothing. I also noticed one of my weapon swaps turned me invisible at times.

Tintinabula · August 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Yep, was happening to me a bunch of times today. Nearly full to nothing. I also noticed one of my weapon swaps turned me invisible at times.

And this!! OMG I thought i was the only one.

Xsorus · August 2014

It's probably soul tether, we warned them on test about it, but you can get it up to 850ish damage on the pbae and 750ish on the life tap, so that's an instant almost 2k damage from that alone

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Yep, was happening to me a bunch of times today. Nearly full to nothing. I also noticed one of my weapon swaps turned me invisible at times.

yes, after bat swarming or mist form, so annoying

Tintinabula · August 2014

a temp fix is to die with each weapon active..I know I know..not much of a fix but it seemed to stop it.

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

taking gear (or at least pants) on and off fixed it for me - doesn't help in combat obviously, but still.

Tintinabula · August 2014

Yea I was like oh Cool they cant see meeeee they cant see meeee then they killed me :I

Lowbei · August 2014

stop exploding

ferzalrwb17_ESO · August 2014

Natjur wrote: »

Had a few use lethal arrow at 44+ range against me but Defensive Stance made it kill themselves so it was all good since the healing debuff also hits them when its reflected.

LOL. Nice story. As pointed out it doesn't reflect arrows. Doh!

I haven't PvP'd yet but was playing about with bow in PvE. It's so messed up. Some of the strangest animation combos...

It's the thing destroying the game atm. There are no animations most of the time and mob health just doesn't update for ages. Then they fall over dead.. with full health. So if mobs aren't aware they're being hit until they fall over dead I guess it might work the same in PvP.

I suggest we ask ZOS to turn this game into a subscription based model so that we can pay them a monthly fee, say 15 dorra, to test these patches before they release them.

Halrloprillalar · August 2014

1. Everyone is doing more damage (higher caps)
2. Some attacks don't animate and land all at once after a delay, resulting in 'full hp bar slide around' nonsense, death recap being totally unhelpful in this regard
3. weapon swap causing really bizarre artifacts like gear that you took off reappearing, going invisible, wrong weapon appears equipped, etc.

Perphection · August 2014

90% of my deaths since the patch have been from Bow's with variations of light attacks, Lethal, and Poison arrow.

And these are 1 shots, I just explode.

dcincali · August 2014

I took a 3.2k Soul assault to the face with 2046 Spell resist.. Tasted yummy..

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · August 2014

Anyone from ZoS investigating the issues? Because is more stupid than it was before, making the whole VR PvP useless.